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[Viet]

Albeit having the third largest defense budget, Saudi military spent much of their money on charity and influence on their neighbor. Egypt and Libanon is one of their largest recipients, not to mention Saudi and their gulf allies notoriously using mercenaries forces to do their frontline duty. What can you expect from merc whom loyalties lies on money?

The same cant be said against competent Armies from Asian and Far East region, their modernization drive is paralel with their ever increasingly progress in HDI and Nationalism sentiment

The Saudi have more planes than pilots more tanks than drivers more weapons than men in service, however everyone waits they win a war. Have they ever proved they can fight?

One question on Quora :
Is it true that Vietnam learns about guerilla warfare tactics from Indonesia?
Dithia Sofyan
No, it isn’t. This is a very popular misunderstanding in Indonesia.

Vietnam have long history with guerilla style warfare, first happen in war against ancient Chinese dynasty of Han in 200s BC. They also fought the Mongols with similar strategy. Later in modern times, Vietnam independence group Viet Minh fight the Japanese and the French using guerilla warfare. So the Vietnamese already well versed in this kind of strategy.

What is true is Vietnam military leaders use a book wrote by a top Indonesian guerilla fighter (served in Indonesian Army’s Siliwangi Division on the War of Independence against the Dutch from 1945–1949) named General Abdul Haris Nasution. The book was written in 1953 after the General was “set aside” because his involvement in an attempted coup against President Soekarno in 1952.

This book called “The Fundamentals of Guerilla Warfare” (Indonesian: Pokok-Pokok Gerilya).

This book is a part of a set of literatures used for reference on the concept of guerilla warfare in modern times. Vietnamese General Vo Nguyen Giap said this book is one of the most important literature on this topic at the time, equal with Mao Ze Dong’s “On Guerilla Warfare”.

Not just Vietnamese, this book also became a reference in West Point Academy.

Our conflict with the Chinese goes back to a time nobody can remember more 2,200 years ago. Being a weaker party we have resorted to different tactics and strategies some people will call Guerilla warfare today. Maybe we did use a time machine, travelling to the future buying the indo best seller "how to win against a superpower" at a bookstore and jumped back to the past to beat the Chinese. Or France or Americans. I wonder why the French and the US military central commands failed to buy the book?

If the indo book lists all ingredients how to conduct warfare, the Chinese the French the Americans could spare $10 to buy the book and develop counter strategy. After crushing Vietnam and enslaving the Viet people, the trio China France America write the best seller "how to win against VN with 10 bucks" or "how to cure stupidity".

The story reminds me of people writing books how to become millionaire or how to educate children without having own kids and being dirty poor.

 

[Nike]

The Saudi have more planes than pilots more tanks than drivers more weapons than men in service, however everyone waits they win a war. Have they ever proved they can fight?


Our conflict with the Chinese goes back to a time nobody can remember more 2,200 years ago. Being a weaker party we have resorted to different tactics and strategies some people will call Guerilla warfare today. Maybe we did use a time machine, travelling to the future buying the indo best seller "how to win against a superpower" at a bookstore and jumped back to the past to beat the Chinese. Or France or Americans. I wonder why the French and the US military central commands failed to buy the book?

If the indo book lists all ingredients how to conduct warfare, the Chinese the French the Americans could spare $10 to buy the book and develop counter strategy. After crushing Vietnam and enslaving the Viet people, the trio China France America write the best seller "how to win against VN with 10 bucks" or "how to cure stupidity".

The story reminds me of people writing books how to become millionaire or how to educate children without having own kids and being dirty poor.

Have you read his post? Spare me your idiocy. No one called Nasution books is influencing your historical battles against China.

 

[Viet]

Have you read his post? Spare me your idiocy. No one called Nasution books is influencing your historical battles against China.

"his" post? Sorry sis, it is "her" post. Yes I read it. You see I am smart

 

[terranMarine]

I believe that monkey wants to compare China with Saudi Arabia army. Seeing how badly Saudis are performing against Yemen, he's implying China would suffer the same fate in a war with Vietnam.

 

[Viet]

I believe that monkey wants to compare China with Saudi Arabia army. Seeing how badly Saudis are performing against Yemen, he's implying China would suffer the same fate in a war with Vietnam.

I suggest you behalve a bit. what´s the point shouting m here m there?

First, in nowhere you were compared to the Saudi. I will be happy if our army has as much monies as the Arabs. Second, in contrast to your belief, a war with China is the last thing we want on earth. War for what reason? the 17th? People get bored.

Nobody wants to put you down. Remember? No joke. Not long ago, when paying tributes our envoys said to the son of heaven or his representatives: "you are the greatest!", "you are the best!", "the universe belongs to you!", "the concubines are the most beautiful!".

 

[xiao qi]

The Saudi have more planes than pilots more tanks than drivers more weapons than men in service, however everyone waits they win a war. Have they ever proved they can fight?


Our conflict with the Chinese goes back to a time nobody can remember more 2,200 years ago. Being a weaker party we have resorted to different tactics and strategies some people will call Guerilla warfare today. Maybe we did use a time machine, travelling to the future buying the indo best seller "how to win against a superpower" at a bookstore and jumped back to the past to beat the Chinese. Or France or Americans. I wonder why the French and the US military central commands failed to buy the book?

If the indo book lists all ingredients how to conduct warfare, the Chinese the French the Americans could spare $10 to buy the book and develop counter strategy. After crushing Vietnam and enslaving the Viet people, the trio China France America write the best seller "how to win against VN with 10 bucks" or "how to cure stupidity".

The story reminds me of people writing books how to become millionaire or how to educate children without having own kids and being dirty poor.

This is an answer I copied on quora, I think It is suitable to post in here because It relates to our military part and history. I don't know the credibility of his post when he said Vo Nguyen Giap read the Indonesian book. In Vietnam, I don't know about that and I believe a lot of Vietnamese like me, of course, It is because this information is not important with Vietnamese so we don't care. But I also guess this information is real, not fake. I also feel it is not offensive. If Vo Nguyen Giap gives the compliment for this book which is worthy based his opinion. guerrilla warfare is not a product was created by Indonesian but they are a part of the development same as Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese...etc..We learn from them and applied. It is a good thing. But I saw the confusion from Indonesian when someone said they taught Vietnamese how to fight in guerrilla warfare, but It is not really important. People need something to proud about nation, not blameworthy

 

[terranMarine]

I suggest you behalve a bit. what´s the point shouting m here m there?

First, in nowhere you were compared to the Saudi. I will be happy if our army has as much monies as the Arabs. Second, in contrast to your belief, a war with China is the last thing we want on earth. War for what reason? the 17th? People get bored.

Nobody wants to put you down. Remember? No joke. Not long ago, when paying tributes our envoys said to the son of heaven or his representatives: "you are the greatest!", "you are the best!", "the universe belongs to you!", "the concubines are the most beautiful!".

You suggest nothing. The one who is part of this monkey business is you as well. Your monkey comrade did not say it explicitly but i'm sure he thought China is comparable to Saudi Arabia. For your sake ofcourse Vietnam better not provoke China to the point of military conflict. I find it extremely amusing how some of you guys looking down on the PLA. Sometimes i wonder perhaps a war is good thing, otherwise slumdogs and monkeys never respect China's military might. China could have a war recently but too bad the slumdogs were too scared after seeing our missiles headed to Tibet. Didn't you say China cancelled the war with India? LoL i bet you were dying to see a war between China and India so Viets could analyze the war. I wonder how your Indian friends think of your suggestion of the PLA slaughtering slumdogs.

 

[Viet]

You suggest nothing. The one who is part of this monkey business is you as well. Your monkey comrade did not say it explicitly but i'm sure he thought China is comparable to Saudi Arabia. For your sake ofcourse Vietnam better not provoke China to the point of military conflict. I find it extremely amusing how some of you guys looking down on the PLA. Sometimes i wonder perhaps a war is good thing, otherwise slumdogs and monkeys never respect China's military might. China could have a war recently but too bad the slumdogs were too scared after seeing our missiles headed to Tibet. Didn't you say China cancelled the war with India? LoL i bet you were dying to see a war between China and India so Viets could analyze the war. I wonder how your Indian friends think of your suggestion of the PLA slaughtering slumdogs.

China foreign minister Wang Yi speaks before UN assembly of Chinese people having no genes of aggression but his country policy speaks another language and you especially represent china ugly face. Feeling no shame threatening your neighbor with what your empty bragging "military might"? Stick your military might into elsewhere!

You missed so many chances to prove you can fight. If you were successful, the northern barbaric armies as the Mongolian and Manchu would not have invaded Vietnam using china as springboard after they made you to slaves. What's the point for you to pick vietnam as enemy? How's about the Japanese or the Russians?

You shouldn't make Chinese people looking bad in the world. This is an international forum. Many people outside China read your ugly posts.

This is an answer I copied on quora, I think It is suitable to post in here because It relates to our military part and history. I don't know the credibility of his post when he said Vo Nguyen Giap read the Indonesian book. In Vietnam, I don't know about that and I believe a lot of Vietnamese like me, of course, It is because this information is not important with Vietnamese so we don't care. But I also guess this information is real, not fake. I also feel it is not offensive. If Vo Nguyen Giap gives the compliment for this book which is worthy based his opinion. guerrilla warfare is not a product was created by Indonesian but they are a part of the development same as Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese...etc..We learn from them and applied. It is a good thing. But I saw the confusion from Indonesian when someone said they taught Vietnamese how to fight in guerrilla warfare, but It is not really important. People need something to proud about nation, not blameworthy

Sis it is ok to post anything here including the indo book. No problem. But look, nobody needs to have an IQ of 150 to understand: Fighting on battlefield is not like cooking a dish where you only need to buy all ingredients at the nearest supermarket and make it into a perfect meal.

Rather it is more like you get a Nobel prize for your book telling you have discovered a medicine that can cure AIDS.

 

[warzone]

You suggest nothing. The one who is part of this monkey business is you as well. Your monkey comrade did not say it explicitly but i'm sure he thought China is comparable to Saudi Arabia. For your sake ofcourse Vietnam better not provoke China to the point of military conflict. I find it extremely amusing how some of you guys looking down on the PLA. Sometimes i wonder perhaps a war is good thing, otherwise slumdogs and monkeys never respect China's military might. China could have a war recently but too bad the slumdogs were too scared after seeing our missiles headed to Tibet. Didn't you say China cancelled the war with India? LoL i bet you were dying to see a war between China and India so Viets could analyze the war. I wonder how your Indian friends think of your suggestion of the PLA slaughtering slumdogs.

From now, can I call you tough guy @terranMarine because you talk loud, insulting people and threatening everyone who doesn’t think like you. I thank God every day to be alive because I am a coward behind a laptop, and meeting you face to face may end my life because a tough guy like you @terranMarine mean business when you threatening . I am really scare of you and want to thank you tough guy @terranMarine to spare my miserable life and from now on I will do whatever you say. Also I am 100% sure that you tough guy @terranMarine talk tough in real life just as in this forum and I also 100% sure that tough guy @terranMarine say monkey to every single Viet he see face to to face because tough guy do what it say, right tough guy @terranMarine because if you don't then you are not that tough after all........ (now replace tough guy with PLA ….lol )

If you are so sure 100% about PLA success in operational capability in real combat situation with new toys weaponry, are you willing to bet your own life tough guy @terranMarine if PLA fail or goof(single bullet to your brain or full bleach syringue straight to your heart…tough talk tough challenge for a tough guy like @terranMarine )?

And we all remember when the glorious PLA went to combat last time and it was a decisive victory…1989 in Tianamen square against ferocious unarmed students ……By the way did you know those PLA troops who did the killing were troops based on Vietnam border (they were the most experienced PLA troop at that time ) and were transported all the way from Vietnam border to the capital to do the dirty job because troop based in Beijing were unreliable….. I bet you didn’t know this....hahaha. Competent and liability can’t be brought with pesos tough guy @terranMarine

 

[terranMarine]

China foreign minister Wang Yi speaks before UN assembly of Chinese people having no genes of aggression but his country policy speaks another language and you especially represent china ugly face. Feeling no shame threatening your neighbor with what your empty bragging "military might"? Stick your military might into elsewhere!

You missed so many chances to prove you can fight. If you were successful, the northern barbaric armies as the Mongolian and Manchu would not have invaded Vietnam using china as springboard after they made you to slaves. What's the point for you to pick vietnam as enemy? How's about the Japanese or the Russians?

You shouldn't make Chinese people looking bad in the world. This is an international forum. Many people outside China read your ugly posts.

The one who has no shame is you. You are so obsessed with China you constantly keeps talking about China.
Do you see Chinese members talk about Vietnam in China related topics? Your constant bragging only makes you look like a pathetic little sick man of Asia. You are some sick mofo Viet who fears and full of jealousy of China. By trying to talk like some brave guy you want to show the members how strong Vietnam is. What a disgusting behavior. Learn from Gambit, he doesn't talk much about Vietnam because he knows what kind of a sh!tty country it really is, therefor he rather be associated with America as an American citizen. If you don't want to create bad image for Vietnam better stop continue talking trash about China. It makes you and Vietnam look really bad. Nobody on this planet view monkey army stronger than the PLA, it's called a wet dream. Vietnam shall ALWAYS remain in our shadow, ALWAYS.

From now, can I call you tough guy @terranMarine because you talk loud, insulting people and threatening everyone who doesn’t think like you. I thank God every day to be alive because I am a coward behind a laptop, and meeting you face to face may end my life because a tough guy like you @terranMarine mean business when you threatening . I am really scare of you and want to thank you tough guy @terranMarine to spare my miserable life and from now on I will do whatever you say. Also I am 100% sure that you tough guy @terranMarine talk tough in real life just as in this forum and I also 100% sure that tough guy @terranMarine say monkey to every single Viet he see face to to face because tough guy do what it say, right tough guy @terranMarine because if you don't then you are not that tough after all........ (now replace tough guy with PLA ….lol )

If you are so sure 100% about PLA success in operational capability in real combat situation with new toys weaponry, are you willing to bet your own life tough guy @terranMarine if PLA fail or goof(single bullet to your brain or full bleach syringue straight to your heart…tough talk tough challenge for a tough guy like @terranMarine )?

And we all remember when the glorious PLA went to combat last time and it was a decisive victory…1989 in Tianamen square against ferocious unarmed students ……By the way did you know those PLA troops who did the killing were troops based on Vietnam border (they were the most experienced PLA troop at that time ) and were transported all the way from Vietnam border to the capital to do the dirty job because troop based in Beijing were unreliable….. I bet you didn’t know this....hahaha. Competent and liability can’t be brought with pesos tough guy @terranMarine

Tell your vietcong government to provoke China so we can have a war, weak man.

 

[warzone]

The one who has no shame is you. You are so obsessed with China you constantly keeps talking about China.
Do you see Chinese members talk about Vietnam in China related topics? Your constant bragging only makes you look like a pathetic little sick man of Asia. You are some sick mofo Viet who fears and full of jealousy of China. By trying to talk like some brave guy you want to show the members how strong Vietnam is. What a disgusting behavior. Learn from Gambit, he doesn't talk much about Vietnam because he knows what kind of a sh!tty country it really is, therefor he rather be associated with America as an American citizen. If you don't want to create bad image for Vietnam better stop continue talking trash about China. It makes you and Vietnam look really bad. Nobody on this planet view monkey army stronger than the PLA, it's called a wet dream. Vietnam shall ALWAYS remain in our shadow, ALWAYS.



Tell your vietcong government to provoke China so we can have a war, weak man.

hahahaahha Viet Nam is going to attack China,,ok is so obvious tough guy @terranMarine ,,,... thank God we have barriers to prevent dumb people like you to go further in military and civilian ...obviously you are not the brightest light around...lol

 

[Viet]

Give it your best shot filthy monkey, the day China f*cks Vietnam its the day we are gonna laugh. Try drilling oil in that area again and China will declare war.

little clown like you will hide in the toilette when the first shot is fallen.

you missed the news. the government chief has recently met with the Spanish Ambassador to Vietnam Maria Jesus Figa Lopez-Palop (beautiful name!). I expect the drilling will resume soon. We want to increase our crude oil reserves from the current 600 million tons. the second highest level in East Asia.

 

[TenLua]

The one who has no shame is you. You are so obsessed with China you constantly keeps talking about China.
Do you see Chinese members talk about Vietnam in China related topics? Your constant bragging only makes you look like a pathetic little sick man of Asia. You are some sick mofo Viet who fears and full of jealousy of China. By trying to talk like some brave guy you want to show the members how strong Vietnam is. What a disgusting behavior. Learn from Gambit, he doesn't talk much about Vietnam because he knows what kind of a sh!tty country it really is, therefor he rather be associated with America as an American citizen. If you don't want to create bad image for Vietnam better stop continue talking trash about China. It makes you and Vietnam look really bad. Nobody on this planet view monkey army stronger than the PLA, it's called a wet dream. Vietnam shall ALWAYS remain in our shadow, ALWAYS.



Tell your vietcong government to provoke China so we can have a war, weak man.

"The one who has no shame is you. You are so obsessed with China you constantly keeps talking about China. "

Says the guy who comes to a Viet forum because he's insecure about his nationality LOl dude you're dumb a sshit. Just look at the shit that you say. Vietnam will own China in a month of fighting LOLOL

 

[Viet]

K17 rifle for the infantry

Satellite controlled surveillance drone Geoscan 101

New artillery shells

 

[Aqsuperman]

Hey, hey come on, people. Why do you have to pay attention to that guy? He is like a little puppy run around barking for a fight. In the last time, he even think that typhoon is Western propaganda and only coward seek refuge from it while more than 200 of his countrymen end up drowning. Do you all even think that the guy has the same brain comprehension like our lol? Leave him, the only thing that brought meaning to his pathetic life would be to find every bits and pieces of info about other countries submission to China no matter how crappy or unreliable they are. Without that, he probably kill himself a long time ago.

Back to the idea of the thread. Super nice and up close picture of the VPN Gepard on board the Rolldock