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VHP warns of more church attacks, says conspiracy behind nun’s r@pe

The Archbishop is playing politics, nothing good will come out of this loony behaviour. Law & Order is a state subject yet he goes on to blame Modi while praising Mamata. Why does he think that will be looked at sympathetically?

On topic, this VHP nutter must be hauled off to jail for threatening attacks. More such behaviour & the VHP must find itself in danger of being proceeded against. No amount of loony excuses about missionary activities can ever be used to condone a call for violence. Play the missionary game if you want (Ghar Wapsi is a fair reaction) but threatening violence must be dealt with firmly.

Ghar wapsi??? VHP morons couldn't convert 100 people but shouts as if they converted millions....VHP/BD have big mouth and can only bark and threat and beat couples on valentine day... good for nothing fellows....... they should be sent to Churches for a crash course on conversion by stealth... even RamKrishna mission and Bharat sevashram is doing better job....you will never hear a word against ISKON or bharat sevashram....:lol::lol::lol:
 
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I say ban religious conversion. Then, all these organization have nothing to fight for. Church gets funds from abroad just for proselytizing
Well, I am for banning conversion to faiths such as these. Anyday.

Ghar wapsi??? VHP morons couldn't convert 100 people but shouts as if they converted millions....VHP/BD have big mouth and can only bark and threat and beat couples on valentine day... good for nothing fellows....... they should be sent to Churches for a crash course on conversion by stealth... even RamKrishna mission and Bharat sevashram is doing better job....you will never hear a word against ISKON or bharat sevashram....:lol::lol::lol:
Very true. Work less shout more.

Conversion to Hinduism is gaining now(not thanks to VHP), especially in the border districts and Telengana(thanks at least a bit to me :D )
And yeah, next year am planning to shift base to Bengal. Great potential. Or Delhi.
 
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Yes ban the church too.
I don't require VHP to protect my faith. And I certainly don't want my India to become Pakistan.

VHP is there it keep India as India and to make sure it won't become another Pakistan.

First advocate banning Mosques and Churches, then come back and advocate banning VHP in the Only Hindu country in the world. :coffee:

Ghar wapsi??? VHP morons couldn't convert 100 people but shouts as if they converted millions....VHP/BD have big mouth and can only bark and threat and beat couples on valentine day... good for nothing fellows....... they should be sent to Churches for a crash course on conversion by stealth... even RamKrishna mission and Bharat sevashram is doing better job....you will never hear a word against ISKON or bharat sevashram....:lol::lol::lol:

LOL..... That's right, Its all VHP's fault :lol:

RamKrishna mission has not even managed to keep Hindus as Hindus. A bunch of them is running around advocating killing cows and eating it :lol: ..... yet all of this is somehow VHP's fault. :cheesy:
 
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Till now you Hindus were familiar with only jihadi terrorism; now you will get to see the face of Xtian intellectual terrorism.

Wow,that sounds nasty...how many victims do you estimate ?

he is only repeating some rumor, not truth.


Reminds me of Roman times...when,apparently, "Christians drank the blood of their infants".
 
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Reminds me of Roman times...when,apparently, "Christians drank the blood of their infants".


Dont you know, it is the Christians that start all the wars, drink infant blood of infants and destroy hundreds of their own churches. BTW who uses VHP? Isn't everyone using DVD?
 
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Dont you know, it is the Christians that start all the wars, drink infant blood of infants and destroy hundreds of their own churches. BTW who uses VHP? Isn't everyone using DVD?


My favourite part is how they blame the evanghelists for all the conversions but all their temple demands,oddly enough,are refered to the Vatican.:lol:

Watch yourself.....next they'll be emailing Kiril to account for protestant conversions :rofl:
 
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For what? Defending their faith?

Have you ever seen what these missionaries do with us and now the Hindus?

Use the same fake victim card by funding media to write one sided stories. Then use the angry public sentiments to continue their attack.


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With violent means? How does it make them different from other terrorist organizations run by religious fanatics?
 
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Dont you know, it is the Christians that start all the wars, drink infant blood of infants and destroy hundreds of their own churches. BTW who uses VHP? Isn't everyone using DVD?

Right. Christianity spread from Arabia to Europe, North America, South America, Australia, Africa, Asia though Valentines' Day roses.
 
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He claimed that the 1857 war of independence was fought to defend religion. "This is a country where the 1857 war was fought for the cause of religion.

After vedic science, comes vedic history. Waiting for the vedic class on geology.

The need of the hour is to ban VHP.

Please don't. They are hilarious. Plus, their daddy is in power. If you thought congress was bad, wait until they complete 5 years.
 
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Ghar wapsi??? VHP morons couldn't convert 100 people but shouts as if they converted millions....VHP/BD have big mouth and can only bark and threat and beat couples on valentine day... good for nothing fellows....... they should be sent to Churches for a crash course on conversion by stealth... even RamKrishna mission and Bharat sevashram is doing better job....you will never hear a word against ISKON or bharat sevashram....:lol::lol::lol:
time for some action against VHP and Bajrang Dal ! they are corrupted !

After vedic science, comes vedic history. Waiting for the vedic class on geology.



Please don't. They are hilarious. Plus, their daddy is in power. If you thought congress was bad, wait until they complete 5 years.
stick to you adam and eve story !
 
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Right. Christianity spread from Arabia to Europe, North America, South America, Australia, Africa, Asia though Valentines' Day roses.


Europeans colonized places like North and South America, Australia, ect. Not all of the Europeans that came to colonize were Christians either, nor did they hold a knife to anyone's throat forcing them to convert.
 
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Europeans colonized places like North and South America, Australia, ect. Not all of the Europeans that came to colonize were Christians either, nor did they hold a knife to anyone's throat forcing them to convert.

I was talking about Christians and not Jews, who were the only other Europeans to move to Americas other than Christians and they were far fewer in number too. Right, they did not hold the knife and force them to convert. All the natives just saw the light of Jesus and converted.

Native Americans and Christianity have a history that dates to the the arrival of the first European explorers. This history is marked by genocide, cultural destruction, domination and resistance.

Much of the destruction was done for land, politics, and power, but a significant part of it was done for religious reasons, as Christians embarked on a world-wide, conversion-by-the-sword "re-education" scheme.

European arrival and encounter with the "Savage"
After the Renaissance and the expulsion of the Muslims from the Iberian Peninsula, Europeans saw their religion and "advanced culture" as forces destined to bring order from chaos, like their own Christian God did when he created the world. When the Europeans arrived in the "New World" the native inhabitants were strange to them. Initial opinions ranged regarding what to make of the "Indians." While Spanish priest Bartolomé de Las Casas was sympathetic to Native Americans, Spanish scholar Juan Gines de Sepúlveda argued that they might not even be human.

Major reasons offered by Europeans for why Indians were not human:

  1. They seemed incapable of embracing European notions of reason
  2. Their passions and brutality made them only slightly better than animals;
  3. They could not master the “Arts of civil Life & Humanity.”
  4. Their sexuality was "animalistic" (as compared to the plain-old missionary position procreative sex that Christian missionaries held up as an ideal)
  5. They chose to show a little skin, and not cover their bodies like "decent" God-fearing people.
Advantages that the Europeans had:

  1. Christianity (i.e. a strong unifying ideology)
  2. Resistance to the diseases they brought with them
  3. Advanced agricultural techniques
  4. Technology
  5. Military might and power
  6. Sheer number
Differences in farming
“”(Indians)never enriched the soil with refuse, dung, or ay other thing, nor do they plough or dig it as we do in England.” - Thomas Harriot,
The European style of farming was based on biblical precepts: since God directly commanded man to take dominion over the land, and to till and farm the earth (Genesis 3), Europeans saw land as something to be owned and controlled for their own benefit. Europeans, coming from a place where land was a valuable commodity, found it wasteful to leave land "undeveloped."

The majority of the Native American tribes, many of whom were agricultural, had no concept of dominion over the land. It can be easy to lapse into New-Agey pablum or "noble savage" imagery when describing this sort of thing, so perhaps it's best to say that in general, Native Americans understood themselves as a group living in relationship with their environment, not as a population controlling it. They did not, for example, clear large swathes of land to farm, nor did they till the land on a large scale. When they planted, they used small hoes to cut enough for a new seed to be planted. Neverthless, their corn reached great heights and the “yield (was) so great that little labor (was) needed in comparison with what is necessary in England.”

The overabundance of good land combined with the low impact of the people living on it meant that there were vast amounts of land available for "settlement" by Europeans -- if they could only get the locals out of the way. Thus, when an arrangement could not be worked out between Europeans and Natives, the Natives were often driven off of the land by force. James Knowles argued in 1834 that it was God's plan for America for New Englanders to wipe out the Native Americans, because they would not “obey the great law of God” which “obliged them to become civilized, and to adopt those modes of life which would enable their territory to support the greatest possible number of inhabitants.” Knowles concluded the Americans could achieve this “by saving from ruin the helpless descendants of the savage."

First contact
When Christopher Columbsu landed in Hispanola, his interaction with the nobles was anything but benign. Incidents of violence, slavery, and disease can all be attributed to Columbus' arrival in the Americas. Columbus and his men kidnapped, raped, stole, and forced the Natives Americans to search for gold. With tools such as firearms and disease, Columbus had killed around four million people on San Salvador in four years. The genocide did not stop after this first four million people; they were only the beginning.

While several Europeans and Christians reported several good relations with the Native locals, such as the Roman Catholics and Anglicans who inhabited Maryland , the vast negative opinion and view of the Native Americans took a larger and stronger hold from both secular and religious groups. Even the famous John Smith had many bad things to comment about the Native Americans. While Smith describes their characteristics (brown, strong, agile, cleanly shaven, etc) he nevertheless calls them all “savage.” They decorated themselves with barbaric ornaments and tattoos. Their methods of building and living greatly differed from European traditions. But what interested Smith the most about the Natives was their form of government and religion. He commented “there is yet in Virginia no place discovered to bee so Savage in which the Savages have not religion...But their chiefe God they worship is the Divell [Devil].”

Interestingly, some colonists deeply enjoyed the Native way of life and fully embraced it. On of the reasons why colonists, who either ran away or refused to be free from capture, was because the Native Americans enjoyed a “most perfect freedom, the ease of living, [and] the absence of those cares and corroding solicitudes which to often prevail us all.” Stories from the Puritans living amongst the Natives did not portray them in a positive light. For instance, the letter of Mary Rowlandson, 1676, is a great example the portrays the key differences the Puritans had with the Native Americans than the other settlers. Rowlandson is taken prisoner amongst the local Natives and introduced into a hellish world for many weeks. She proclaims her faith got her through the struggle until she was ransomed. She reported the following in her book Soveraignty and Goodness of God (1682), “I may say, that as none knows what it is to fight and pursue such an enemy as this, but they that have fought and pursued them: so none can imagine what it is to be captivated, and enslaved to such atheisticall, proud, wild, cruel, barbarous, brutish (in one word) diabolical creatures as these, the worst of the heathen."

Christian views towards the "Savage"
Amongst the earliest harshest remarks about the Native Americans came from Christian sects, such as the Puritans, who saw themselves as those who would lead Native Americans on the true path to God. Through out the sixteenth century to the American Revolution, the goal of English missionaries was to reduce the Native Americans from savagery to “civility." The quickest way to do this was to rid the world of the savage, either by conversion or death. For the Puritan settlers, the entire planet already is their home and property. The Puritans had a strong belief that they were the true followers of God, and the New World was God’s garden given to the Puritans. This can be seen by the words of John Winthrop, 1629: “...the whole earth is the Lord's garden, and he hath given it to the sons of Adam to be tilled and improved by them. Why then should we stand starving here for the places of habitation, (many men spending as much labor and cost to recover or keep sometimes an acre or two of lands as would procure him many hundreds of acres, as good or better, in another place,) and in the mean time suffer whole countries, as profitable for the use of man, to lie waste without any improvement.” Another example, John Winthrop wrote to an English friend about the earlier arrival of the Pilgrims who spread diseases amongst the local Natives “the natives are neere all dead of the smalle Poxe, so as the Lord hathe cleared our title to what we posses.” The Bible also commands that God's people should “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.” With this ground rooted into their beliefs, the Puritans were not hesitant in taking land to sustain them. However, acquiring land was not simple. The Puritans faced opposition with the Native Americans, who already claimed the land as their home. This was amongst the first and strongest reasons that forced the Puritans to deeply despise the Native Americans. The Puritans viewed any opposition to them in any fashion was a direct opposition to God, thus making the Native Americans minions of Satan himself.

The other greatest reason for the Puritan inception that the Native Americans were evil was simply because they were different in many respects. Virtually every piece of the Native American image inflamed Puritan disgust. Everything from the Native culture; their clothing made of the skins of reptiles, birds, and beasts; their ruling system; their women showing their breasts or too much skin; they decorated their flesh with tattoos and body paint; but among the first and most notable signs was the males with the long hair. Long hair, in the eyes of the Puritans, was a sign of pride. Pride was and is the worse of sins, even worse than Original Sin. Pride was displayed in the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve disobeyed God and thus doomed all of mankind, which is why pride is considered the worst of of the Seven Deadly Sins. Of course, the Puritans despised anyone who grew their hair long, whether it be the savage Native Americans or other Europeans. Long hair to the Puritans was a “badge” of those who refused to cover themselves with Christian “humility, sobriety, modesty, [and] shamefastness.”

Of course, the Native Americans did not suffer only at the hands of the Puritans, but it was the Puritans slander that caught a lot of attention. Papers were published in London as tales were spreading across the colonies and amongst the new arrivals. The labels the Puritans gave the Native Americans is a long list, from calling them beasts and inhuman to ungodly and demonic. The Puritans felt it was their Christian duty to reach out to the lost. Saving a Native American would mean saving a soul from Satan or destroying a Native American meant destroying one of Satan’s minions. Puritans sent missionaries to reach out to the Native Americans. The Puritans were careful not to fall prey to the way of life or thinking of the Natives, so far they were willing to cover the sides and windows of their wagons to block their view of the trees so they would not be tempted by paganism and savagism. The continuation of calling the Native Americans demonic had a huge influence on all types of people. Even civil rights activist Roger Williams (who also strove for savage rights) was revolted by Native Americans in their “hideous worships of creatures and devils.”

US presidents
Not surprisingly, the negative outlook that most whites had towards Native Americans was reflected by their political leaders. On December 6, 1830, in his Second Annual Message, Andrew Jackson said:

“Philanthropy could not wish to see this continent restored to the condition in which it was found by our forefathers. What good man would prefer a country covered with forests and ranged by few thousand savages to our extensive Republic, studded with cities, towns, and prosperous farms embellished with all the improvements which art can devise or industry execute, occupied by more than 12,000,000 happy people, and filled with all the blessings of liberty, civilization, and religion.”
Separating the civilized world from that of the savage was easier than ridding of the world of the savage. In the United States, Canada, and the individual territories policies were enacted were to move many tribes onto reservations, leaving the rich land they had lived on to the Christian Settler ready to do his job for God and Country. Isolating indians did not remove the fear, hatred, and bigotry of and towards them. On July 4, 1779 U.S. soldiers toasted to the phrase “Civilization or death to all American Savages.”

Converting the "Savage"
“”till their Priests and Ancients have their throats cut, there is no hope to bring them to conversion.”-John Smith

The Puritans, along with other Christian missionaries, attempted to convert as many Natives as possible. However, they faced many obstacles. One option that had always proven successful was simply to threaten to kill those who did not convert.

But when a more peaceful means was needed, then as with any political power shift, the missionaries needed to identify the leaders (the male leaders, as it was rarely acknowledged by missionaries or governments that some tribes had women holding equal power to the men) and work on converting them, then let those leaders convert others. Chiefs, Tribal Councils, and holy men were a focus for the missionaries, depending on the structure and (often misunderstood) religion of the tribe.

A common practice was to convert the more "fun" stories of the Bible into picture books, and teach a young child the story so he would tell it to the people in the native language. If the religious leaders could find any similarity between the individual tribe's religion and Christianity, they would exaggerate that aspect. In Mexico City, where the religion was bloody, and where god sacrificed his brother, and children were sacrificed to the gods, the story of Abraham and Jesus were highlighted... the very bloody story of Jesus.

There were several other obstacles facing missionaries, notably language. Christian words, based in Judeao-Christian, grecco Roman culture had no direct parallels in many if not most Native Languages. Sin, Heaven or Hell are obviously non existent, but for most nomadic tribes, neither shepherd nor sheep had any relevance. King, kingdom, prayer, ark, redemption, sacrament, baptism all had to be defined, to some often amusing results. And of course, few if any tribes had anything close to monotheism.

For the most part, Native Americans were ambivalent towards the cultural and religious influences of the Europeans. Of course, this angered the European missionaries and discouraged a few. Joseph le Caron, 1624, noted “for we are not in a country where savages put Christians to death on account of their religion. They leave every one in his own belief.” However, attempts to insert European habits into the Natives' lives brought more negative views.

Mission schools
There is a final, far more tragic means to convert the people. Kidnap the children.

  1. Rechristen them with English Christian names, forbid the use of their own names.
  2. Punish them for speaking their own language, or grab them when they are young enough not to have learned it very well.
  3. Force them to live at the Mission School and only visit home 1 or 2 days for the Christian Christmas.
  4. Cut their hair, strip them of their clothing and religious artifacts, and denigrate the artifacts as uncivilized, backwards, or "primitive".
  5. Do this all when they are young enough to not fight back.
Native populations were decimated by illness, starvation, and war. But the actual native cultures were more decimated by the mission schools and "Jesus" than anything else done to the various Indian peoples.

Adaptation
Several aspects of European culture that did influence Native Americans ran counter to the missionaries' hopes. Native Americans drank alcohol, became false converts, and fought wars. Cotton Mather noted that the Europeans had “very much Injured the Indians...We that should have learn'd them to Pray, have learn'd them to Sin.”

Reservations and God
Jesuits set up reserves for Native Americans and missionaries. The laws governing these reserves reflected Christian values, and punishments varied from whipping, payment, to even death for crimes of adultery, witchcraft, and worshiping any other deity than the Christian God. However, many Natives did not truly convert and became false Christians to avoid punishment, which only further angered the Europeans. Lesser punishments on the reserves were for the following crimes: powwowing, gaming, fornication, polygamy, mourning with loud noises (such as howling), body-greasing, as well as several others.

Language preservation
There is a strange post-script to the mission work done by the priests, especially the French Jesuits. Due to their desire to communicate the Word of God to the "savage", they compiled significant records of the languages they heard. Today, in the modern world of Native American revitalization movements, at a time when many of the the thousands of languages are being lost and Indigenous communities are trying to stop that loss or even regain already extinct languages, the only records they have to relearn their languages are of those priests' notes and translated Bibles. Bitter irony that the religion that stole their language and culture from them, is a critical resource for regaining it.


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Europeans colonized places like North and South America, Australia, ect. Not all of the Europeans that came to colonize were Christians either, nor did they hold a knife to anyone's throat forcing them to convert.

Of course they did not :lol:

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Of course they did not :lol:

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