Variyamkunnath Kunjahammed Haji, the Khilafat leader who declared an independent state

[Sheikh Rauf]

Banned serves you right.

First thing .
You a Pakistani is noone to concerns about our India and also South India .
You people dont have any kind of relation with Pakistanis
Then Hindus in South India is far more conservative ,orthodox , discplined ,secular and successful also .
Dont need to count on Christians , they are like Jews especially in Kerala .

Noone cares your planning .



This is India and particularly South India .
Here we are majority and will decides the course of history .
Better take care your nation other wise Indian intelligence succeed on lots of things



Thanks to the Partition .History proved that was one of the best decision.
India will remain as one and 130 crore people will ensure it



Our language is our pride .
And our fellow Indians respects the achievements that we Keralites earned through our hardwork .
We will mock each other insult each other .
We mocks them so bad sometimes .
But thats all.
Outsiders dont have any place here .

If you dont know history you should read .
There was only one Dr Ambedkar noone can imitate him or his talent .
Even if you read you cant grasp like one who suffered .

Partition is unfinished agenda even in 70 years, their will be a time when india will be dismantle in pieces as we know hindustan was artificial had burma nepal srilanka bangla india and Pak came out of it, we still see the same situation in india is carrying and supressing minorities which will lead to another independent states like UK "united karela" biharistan, khalistan country to low cast hindus, for christians, for Muslims, 7 state sisters sud be seprated from this artificial union i agree peaces of hindustan was the best thing happen last century.

 

[Chhatrapati]

You obviously have not read the article

The article which says Variyam Kunnan contributed greatly to Hindu - Muslim unity.

Annie Bessant the congress leader wrote this about the riot “Words fail to explain my feelings of indignation and abhorrence which I experienced when I came to Konkan of an instance of rape, committed by the rebels under chembrasseri Thangal. A respectable Nair lady at Melathur was stripped naked by the rebels in the presence of her husband and brothers who were made to stand close by with their hands tied behind. When they shut their eyes in abhorrence, they were compelled at the point of the sword to open their eyes and witness the rape by the brute in their presence"

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Partition is done and dusted and finished .

Pakistan us nothing but a neighbouring country ,a nuisance ,something the we dont even care .
You can blabber whatever you want .
But in India noone cares the opinion of a Ugandan or Pakistani about India.



Look Bong .
If you dont know anything try to learn or keep quiet .Obviously you dont know anything since this doesnt concern you and you are not a South India illegal Bong
Now noone considers this talk of khilafat .
Until 21 they kept quite ,they only bark only when somebody in Turkey kicked out from his chair .
It wasnt for India but someothers .
Hindus helped later only cheated by the Mappilas

Thats a big bull crap cuz Pakistan is somthing for india you have been preparing your army not for uganda, you can run but cant hide from the fact you saying you dont care, its much better if you actually dont mumble or hide the truth.
We as Pakistani are much happier that we are away from people who muniplate its history and where majority suppress minorities who have no value given in history.

 

[Naofumi]

Look Bong .
If you dont know anything try to learn or keep quiet .Obviously you dont know anything since this doesnt concern you and you are not a South India illegal Bong
Now noone considers this talk of khilafat .
Until 21 they kept quite ,they only bark only when somebody in Turkey kicked out from his chair .
It wasnt for India but someothers .
Hindus helped later only cheated by the Mappilas

The article which says Variyam Kunnan contributed greatly to Hindu - Muslim unity.

Annie Bessant the congress leader wrote this about the riot “Words fail to explain my feelings of indignation and abhorrence which I experienced when I came to Konkan of an instance of rape, committed by the rebels under chembrasseri Thangal. A respectable Nair lady at Melathur was stripped naked by the rebels in the presence of her husband and brothers who were made to stand close by with their hands tied behind. When they shut their eyes in abhorrence, they were compelled at the point of the sword to open their eyes and witness the rape by the brute in their presence"

Wasn't this a peasant rebellion? Why focus on only one aspect? World have seen many peasant rebellions many of them with overlapping ethnic/religious divides, should each of them be viewed through communal glasses only?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peasant_revolts

 

[SrNair]

Wasn't this a peasant rebellion? Why focus on only one aspect? World have seen many peasant rebellions many of them with overlapping ethnic/religious divides, should each of them be viewed through communal glasses only?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peasant_revolts

Peasent rebellion?
You are saying to us that this was a peasent rebellion?
Go and learn something.You dont know what happened there.

Thats a big bull crap cuz Pakistan is somthing for india you have been preparing your army not for uganda, you can run but cant hide from the fact you saying you dont care, its much better if you actually dont mumble or hide the truth.
We as Pakistani are much happier that we are away from people who muniplate its history and where majority suppress minorities who have no value given in history.

So be it .
Then mind your own business.

Whatever happens in India especially South India where Pakistanis are completely alien is none of your business

 

[Naofumi]

Peasent rebellion?
You are saying to us that this was a peasent rebellion?
Go and learn something.You dont know what happened there.

I actually know and didn't deny the religious nature of it too but maybe you can't see anything beyond your petty mindset.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

So, nothing bad happens in Pakistan? Pakistan is supposed to be land of honey and gold, is that it? It's not like I defend India on these issues, in fact I highlight it much much more many other Indian members would like to admit but the second, the issue goes to Pakistan I turn "bad as Hindu".

Stop bringing in Pakistan into unrelated threads.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Peasent rebellion?
You are saying to us that this was a peasent rebellion?
Go and learn something.You dont know what happened there.



So be it .
Then mind your own business.

Whatever happens in India especially South India where Pakistanis are completely alien is none of your business

if you keep poking your nose in balochistan and kpk then we have business everywhere india lies if its not india then we are out of it. so for peace separate south from this artificial union and make that place UK "United Karela".

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

But in India noone cares the opinion of a Ugandan or Pakistani about India.

Yet here you are on PDF spouting venom against Pakistan and Muslims.

At least be consistent.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Wasn't this a peasant rebellion? Why focus on only one aspect? World have seen many peasant rebellions many of them with overlapping ethnic/religious divides, should each of them be viewed through communal glasses only?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peasant_revolts

One aspect? No... If it was peasant rebellion then most of the deaths would be of the landowners. Raping women and beheading men is not the way a rebellion can get the honor it deserves but let's forget that part. It is viewed through communal glasses because it is, the leaders wanted to establish a sharia-based Islamic caliphate in Malabar which they did at least for a while after expelling the British police officers.

Now, please tell me how all this is not communal.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

https://velivada.com/2020/04/24/fek...reading-fake-claims-about-babasaheb-ambedkar/


So, nothing bad happens in Pakistan? Pakistan is supposed to be land of honey and gold, is that it? It's not like I defend India on these issues, in fact I highlight it much much more many other Indian members would like to admit but the second, the issue goes to Pakistan I turn "bad as Hindu".


The easiest way to determine this is to see the resource distribution. Is the land is distributed by Biradari or not? Don't landless people are still "kami" log? Moreover, India has a Teli PM and a Dalit President - I know only for façade as Cabinet is again dominated by upper castes but did Pakistan ever had a lower caste in any significant position?

Land baded on caste? Since when?
If you mean inherited lands than ofcourse agriculture related castes have larger land holdings compared to say a iromsmith/lohar , but in central panjab land holdings are meagre compared to countries like sa,australia etc..
As for so called lower castes, countless rehman malik interior minister, abid sher ali, ch sarwar former govt, many more.. even nawaz shareef family are lohars by caste.. we even have low caste sindhi hindus in parliament and senate, but castes arent mentioned .. because nobody gives a fk, except some conservative families and only for arranged marriages.

In Pak we dnt have untouchables or the sorta crap you do in india..

Nepal, Panjab were never brahmanic societies and british have given accounts of it.. for eg read David Omissi or racist like richard burton.

 

[Naofumi]

One aspect? No... If it was peasant rebellion then most of the deaths would be of the landowners. Raping women and beheading men is not the way a rebellion can get the honor it deserves but let's forget that part. It is viewed through communal glasses because it is, the leaders wanted to establish a sharia-based Islamic caliphate in Malabar which they did at least for a while after expelling the British police officers.

My contention is that it was triggered by underlying economic hardships though some fanatical ideas may have inspired it too but the key driver was economics. Take example of Jat rebellion, while it too had religious undertones like burning Akbar's grave etc but in essence it was too a peasant revolt with overlapping social differences.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Wasn't this a peasant rebellion? Why focus on only one aspect? World have seen many peasant rebellions many of them with overlapping ethnic/religious divides, should each of them be viewed through communal glasses only?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peasant_revolts

Also even your low caste presidents are treated like crap.. that itself says alot.

P.S: Even Gen Zia was a so called landless arian.

In Pak we have classism not casteism.

 

[Naofumi]

Land baded on caste? Since when?
If you mean inherited lands than ofcourse agriculture related castes have larger land holdings compared to say a iromsmith/lohar , but in central panjab land holdings are meagre compared to countries like sa,australia etc..
As for so called lower castes, countless rehman malik interior minister, abid sher ali, ch sarwar former govt, many more.. even nawaz shareef family are lohars by caste.. we even have low caste sindhi hindus in parliament and senate, but castes arent mentioned .. because nobody gives a fk, except some conservative families and only for arranged marriages.

In Pak we dnt have untouchables or the sorta crap you do in india..

Nepal, Panjab were never brahmanic societies and british have given accounts of it.. for eg read David Omissi or racist like richard burton.

Also even your low caste presidents are treated like crap.. that itself says alot.

P.S: Even Gen Zia was a so called landless arian.

In Pak we have classism not casteism.

Dude look, if you have an open mind then you should at least read the original links I posted and comprehend it before spouting.

Coming to the Parliament of Pakistan, that too unbearably reeks of casteism. Not everyone in Pakistan except the ruling elite is upper caste. Majority of the people who elect these parliamentarians are nai, jamadar, lohar, kumhar, changar and other lower Caste communities. But these are all names/slurs used by the parliamentarians when denouncing each other. For instance, a few years back when Zulfiqar Mirza (husband of ex-speaker of national assembly Fehmida Mirza) became a media hype when he openly called Rehman Malik a jamadar. He remarked, "Rehman Malik is a jamadar and is here- in the party- to take our shit away. Besides that, Sheikh Rashed Ahmad, who is currently serving in the Parliament and is quite popular for the fact that he's been lambasting Nawaz Sharif for years, called Nawaz Sharif a lohar even during the time Nawaz Sharif was ruling the country.

Written by a Pakistani himself.
https://roundtableindia.co.in/index...s-he-is-in-india&catid=119:feature&Itemid=132
Also, give time to read this too, first hand of a Kashmiri and are you on Kashmiri-twitter? You never seen Syed-non-Syed fights there?
https://aleemudasir.wordpress.com/2017/02/18/casteism-in-kashmir-my-observations-and-experiences/

If you have more time also, read these.
http://www.researchcollective.org/Documents/Class_Caste_or_Race.pdf
https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/08/opinion/l-pakistan-certainly-has-a-caste-system-224690.html

Also, since you mentioned the Bulleh Shah etc, https://scroll.in/article/901401/fr...imination-still-runs-deep-in-pakistans-punjab
PS : And Arains are not landless, petty landowners, yes but landless (kammi log)? No.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Dude look, if you have an open mind then you should at least read the original links I posted and comprehend it before spouting.

Written by a Pakistani himself.
https://roundtableindia.co.in/index...s-he-is-in-india&catid=119:feature&Itemid=132
Also, give time to read this too, first hand of a Kashmiri and are you on Kashmiri-twitter? You never seen Syed-non-Syed fights there?
https://aleemudasir.wordpress.com/2017/02/18/casteism-in-kashmir-my-observations-and-experiences/

If you have more time also, read these.
http://www.researchcollective.org/Documents/Class_Caste_or_Race.pdf
https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/08/opinion/l-pakistan-certainly-has-a-caste-system-224690.html

Also, since you mentioned the Bulleh Shah etc, https://scroll.in/article/901401/fr...imination-still-runs-deep-in-pakistans-punjab
PS : And Arains are not landless, petty landowners, yes but landless (kammi log)? No.

So basically you have nothing, except a corrupt ppp leader calling another disgraced monkey a jamadar ( which isnt a caste nor Rehman malik is one).

A peer slapping his mureed, which has nothing to do with caste.

Pak respecting syeds due to lineage related to Prophet PBUH.

And an opinion piece tht talks bout profession based castes changing their surnames in central panjab.

Can you even compare this nonsense with what goes on in india?
Killed for riding a horse.
Killed for entering a temple.
Raped and killing of dalit girls.
Segregation of communities?
Not being allowed to even wear shoes in high caste villages?
Killed for feeding a high castes dog?

Your rants are fking stupid to say the least.

Dude look, if you have an open mind then you should at least read the original links I posted and comprehend it before spouting.

Written by a Pakistani himself.
https://roundtableindia.co.in/index...s-he-is-in-india&catid=119:feature&Itemid=132
Also, give time to read this too, first hand of a Kashmiri and are you on Kashmiri-twitter? You never seen Syed-non-Syed fights there?
https://aleemudasir.wordpress.com/2017/02/18/casteism-in-kashmir-my-observations-and-experiences/

If you have more time also, read these.
http://www.researchcollective.org/Documents/Class_Caste_or_Race.pdf
https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/08/opinion/l-pakistan-certainly-has-a-caste-system-224690.html

Also, since you mentioned the Bulleh Shah etc, https://scroll.in/article/901401/fr...imination-still-runs-deep-in-pakistans-punjab
PS : And Arains are not landless, petty landowners, yes but landless (kammi log)? No.

So basically you have nothing, except a corrupt ppp leader calling another disgraced monkey a jamadar ( which isnt a caste nor Rehman malik is one).

A peer slapping his mureed, which has nothing to do with caste.

Pak respecting syeds due to lineage related to Prophet PBUH.

And an opinion piece tht talks bout profession based castes changing their surnames in central panjab.

Can you even compare this nonsense with what goes on in india?
Killed for riding a horse.
Killed for entering a temple.
Raped and killing of dalit girls.
Segregation of communities?
Not being allowed to even wear shoes in high caste villages?
Killed for feeding a high castes dog?
Even bloody nawaz sharif family proudly claim to come from humble origin in the national assembly.

Your rants are fking stupid to say the least.