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Lol
Where do you recommend they move?
Partition is coming? Lolol
Please provide a roadmap for this.
they can start insurgency if they want their future generations
250 million can wreak havoc
It took Nazis 6 six years and millions of soldiers to kill just 6 million jews imagine what will a force of 250 million will do it will be next to impossible for indian regime to silence them without using WMDs or a full fledged civil war
 
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By and large, this is an internal issue of India. We may entertain sympathies for Indian Muslims; but we can hardly do anything for them. They will have to fight this political war themselves.
 
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Lol
Where do you recommend they move?
Partition is coming? Lolol
Please provide a roadmap for this.

1. Areas where there are more muslims.
2. Eventually, either that or genocide of Indian Muslims. The outcome depends on them. People like your friend Vikki are the vast majority in India and emboldened. They're going to go out raping, burning, lynching to their hearts content now that Modi has 5 more years and an overwhelming majority. Then the next election will be won by the even more extreme Yogi.

Muslims of India will be killed, converted - or they will stand and fight, in which case they'll have to organise themselves into territories to defend. Don't expect any Pakistani involvement though, this is not Kashmir.
 
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they can start insurgency if they want their future generations
250 million can wreak havoc
It took Nazis 6 six years and millions of soldiers to kill just 6 million jews imagine what will a force of 250 million will do it will be next to impossible for indian regime to silence them without using WMDs or a full fledged civil war

Hypotheticals are fun to discuss, but not practical.
IF they do this, IF they do that...it doesn’t work like that.
Insurgencies are fought with weapons and funding. They leave a trace. For a 250 million Muslim uprising out of the blue, Indians and our agencies would have to be in hibernation for that to happen.

Besides, most Muslims and Hindus just want to live their lives. Only on PDF do we see this Uber Josh for forming new countries and rebellions, with no clear goal in mind.

As much as I know you would love to see this, it’s not happening. At least not in your lifetime or mine.

1. Areas where there are more muslims.
2. Eventually, either that or genocide of Indian Muslims. The outcome depends on them. People like your friend Vikki are the vast majority in India and emboldened. They're going to go out raping, burning, lynching to their hearts content now that Modi has 5 more years and an overwhelming majority. Then the next election will be won by the even more extreme Yogi.

Muslims of India will be killed, converted - or they will stand and fight, in which case they'll have to organise themselves into territories to defend. Don't expect any Pakistani involvement though, this is not Kashmir.

You paint a Grim but laughable picture.

I can understand the Muslims moving to more progressive and Muslim centric areas, that I’ll agree with.

The genocide bit is what’s giving me a chuckle.
So you think all this happens in a vacuum? Muslims being killed for no reason just for the **** of it? Do you think the world or even the other Indians like myself will just sit around and allow this to happen?
And let’s say hypothetically this happens in parts of UP and Bihar, where Muslim majority areas seek independence. How do you suggest these landlocked areas form a country when surrounded by a Hindu India? One they would have to depend on for everything from trade down to water?
Is that even practical? Who’s funding this rebellion? Who’s providing the arms and ammunition for this rebellion? Are the Indian agencies, army etc sleeping through all this?

IF and I say IF with an emphasis on the minute possibility of this happening, India were to be divided again, it would happen on the lines of regionalism NOT religion. Period!
 
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UP is India’s Alabama. Every country has one. Unfortunately, for India, it also happens to be the most populous state and important one from a political perspective.

Muslims who feel unsafe there can move to more progressive parts of India. UP may not be for them.
So being an "Alabama" is a bad thing ? You can make fun all you want, I do too sometimes, but those are the beating hearts of these countries. Good people, not KKK/lynch mobs and crazies.

Lot of muslims, former leftists, congress supporters turned their back on the lefty narrative, for it was negative and hateful, had no message apart from "We hate Modi"...

This was a big issue election, a presidential style election, a mandate on one man. It's not low iq voting if the voters based their vote on Pradhan Mantri ka pad.

We do need a viable opposition for a healthy democracy but the Ghandy family must be thrown in the trash bin of history, this country is done with dynastic politics.. a very good sign of a maturing democracy, our neighbors to the north west can take some lessons from this.

Muslims will be fine, Kashmir is the only place we have a problem with Islamic separatism.

I'm mostly vegetarian but celebrating with a wazwan meal today, monster seekh kebabs, rista, yakhni and a big bowl of marchwagan chicken korma... and some whisky before of course, just to whet the appetite.
 
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So being an "Alabama" is a bad thing ? You can make fun all you want, I do too sometimes, but those are the beating hearts of these countries. Good people, not KKK/lynch mobs and crazies.

Lot of muslims, former leftists, congress supporters turned their back on the lefty narrative, for it was negative and hateful, had no message apart from "We hate Modi"...

This was a big issue election, a presidential style election, a mandate on one man. It's not low iq voting if the voters based their vote on Pradhan Mantri ka pad.

We do need a viable opposition for a healthy democracy but the Ghandy family must be thrown in the trash bin of history, this country is done with dynastic politics.. a very good sign of a maturing democracy, our neighbors to the north west can take some lessons from this.

Muslims will be fine, Kashmir is the only place we have a problem with Islamic separatism.

I'm mostly vegetarian but celebrating with a wazwan meal today, monster seekh kebabs, rista, yakhni and a big bowl of marchwagan chicken korma... and some whisky before of course, just to whet the appetite.

I liked the rest of your post.

But yes, being the Alabama (according to me) is a bad thing
I want India to be progressive and practical with inclusive growth for all. I want religion to be a personal thing, not imposed on people. I want harmony amongst communities, living side by side and celebrating each other’s success to benefit the nation.
UP though I’m painting all the residents with a broad brush, does not embody these.
Maybe things on the ground are changing, (I hope so), but based on what I’ve seen and heard, it’s only getting worse for UP.
If Muslims feel unsafe there, I can see why. They should simply move to other parts of India which are more accepting and progressive.
It’s like living in the same tank with a Beta fish for the Muslims there it seems.
 
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Werent the muslims of UP instrumental in breaking up of india? Why are they still in india after having got their own land? Never trust a muslim...for him or her, his religion comes above his nation...I have seen myself who love pakistan and saudi and hate India....Indian muslims committed so many atrocities on hindus before 2014...another 15 years of bjp and half the muslin population will be semi hindus..

Can you please stop your irrevalents rants!!!
 
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By and large, this is an internal issue of India. We may entertain sympathies for Indian Muslims; but we can hardly do anything for them. They will have to fight this political war themselves.

How about they start with a strong leader that embodies the Muslim ethos of peace but with a secular and progressive mindset.

Someone like Amir Khan.
 
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Werent the muslims of UP instrumental in breaking up of india? Why are they still in india after having got their own land? Never trust a muslim...for him or her, his religion comes above his nation...I have seen myself who love pakistan and saudi and hate India....Indian muslims committed so many atrocities on hindus before 2014...another 15 years of bjp and half the muslin population will be semi hindus..

instead of giving a roadmap to genocide. just make them wear Green Crescent so they be identified instantly.
 
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Uttar Pradesh: Muslims plan to leave this village if BJP wins polls
Muslims in Nayabans, an unremarkable village in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh talk about how polarised the two communities of Hindus and Muslims have become in the past two years, and some are frightened and thinking of moving away - if they can afford it.


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ReutersNayabansMay 22, 2019UPDATED: May 22, 2019 12:58 IST

Aisha, a law student, stands inside her house house in village Nayabans in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh. (Photo: Reuters)

Muslims in Nayabans, an unremarkable village in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh, say they remember a time when their children played with Hindu youths, and people from either faith chatted when they frequented each other's shops and went to festivals together.

Such interactions no longer happen, many say, because of how polarized the two communities have become in the past two years, and some are frightened and thinking of moving away - if they can afford it.

Muslim residents who spoke to Reuters said they thought tensions would only worsen if Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) wins a second term in the current general election, as exit polls released on Sunday indicate is likely. Votes will be counted Thursday.

"Things were very good earlier. Muslims and Hindus were together in good and bad times, weddings to deaths. Now we live our separate ways despite living in the same village," said Gulfam Ali, who runs a small shop selling bread and tobacco.

Modi came to power in 2014 and the BJP took control of Uttar Pradesh state, which includes Nayabans, in 2017. The state's chief minister, Yogi Adityanath, is a Hindu priest and senior BJP figure.

"Modi and Yogi have messed it up," said Ali. "Dividing Hindus and Muslims is their main agenda, only agenda. It was never like this earlier. We want to leave this place but can't really do that."

He says about a dozen Muslim families have left in the past two years, including his uncle.
The BJP denies its policies have stoked community divisions.

COW KILLING

At the end of last year, Nayabans, a village of wheatfields, narrow cemented streets, bullock carts and loitering cows, became a symbol of India's deepening divide as some Hindu men from the area complained they had seen a group of Muslims slaughtering cows, which Hindus regard as sacred.
Angry Hindus accused police of failing to stop an illegal practice, and a Hindu mob blocked a highway, threw stones and burned vehicles. Two people were shot and killed - including a police officer.

Five months later many Muslims, who only number about 400 of the village's population of more than 4,000, say the wounds haven't healed.
And in a country where 14 per cent of the population are Muslim and 80 per cent Hindu, Nayabans reflects wider tensions in places where Muslim residents are heavily outnumbered by Hindu neighbours.

"There have been no riots in the country under this government. It's wrong to label criminal incidents, which we denounce, as Hindu-Muslim issues," BJP spokesman Gopal Krishna Agarwal said.

"The opposition has been playing communal politics but we believe in neutrality of governance. Neither appeasement of any, nor denouncement of any. Some people may be finding that they are not being appeased anymore."

CALL TO PRAYER

To be sure, villagers say Nayabans was not free of conflict in the past - attempts to build a mosque in 1977 led to communal riots in which two people were killed. But for the 40 years after that there had been relative harmony, villagers say.

Some Muslim residents said Hindu hardliners started asserting themselves more in the village after Yogi took office in March 2017.

The atmosphere worsened around the Muslim holy month of Ramadan in 2017 - Hindu activists demanded Muslims stop using a microphone in their madrasa, which also acts as a mosque, to call people to prayer, arguing it disturbed the whole community.

The Muslims reluctantly agreed to stop using the mike and speaker - even though they say it had been operating for many years - to keep the peace, but the move created deep resentment.

Some Hindus were unsympathetic.

"God knows what they are moaning about," said Hindu elder Om Prakash, a 63-year-old tailor. "There's peace here but we won't tolerate any mike there. That's a madrasa, not a mosque."

Islam requires the faithful to pray five times a day. Without the reminder of hearing the call, some Muslim residents say they risk missing prayer times.
"We can't express our religion in any way here, but they are free to do whatever they want," said Muslim law student Aisha, 21.

She said that Hindu men from the village often shouted anti-Muslim slogans during festival processions. At least a dozen Hindus in the village denied that was the case.
Aisha remembers when relations were better.

"Earlier they would speak very nicely to us, but now they don't," said Aisha. "If there was any problem at all, or someone was sick in the family, all the neighbours would come over and help - whether Hindus or Muslims. Now that doesn't happen."

"EMPTY OUT"

Sharfuddin Saifi, 38, who runs a cloth shop at a nearby market, was named in a complaint filed with the police by local Hindus over the cow incident last year.
After 16 days in jail, he was released as the police found he had nothing to do with the suspected slaughter, but said he found much had changed.

Hindus now shun his business. The money he spent on lawyers meant he had to stop going to Delhi to buy stock for the shop, which is largely empty. And he withdrew his 13-year-old son from a private school because he could no longer afford it.

"For someone who had never seen the inside of a police station or even dreamt of committing a crime, it's a big thing," he said of the trauma of his detention.
He often thinks about leaving the village, he says, but tells himself, "I have not done anything wrong, why should I leave?"

Carpenter Jabbar Ali, 55, moved to a Muslim-dominated area in Masuri, closer to Delhi, buying a house with money he saved from working in Saudi Arabia.
"If Hindus could kill a Hindu police inspector, in front of a police outpost, with armed guards alongside him, then who are we Muslims?" Ali said, recalling the December incident.

He still keeps his house in Nayabans and visits occasionally but said he feels much safer in his new home, where all his immediate neighbours are Muslims.
"I'm fearful here," he said. "Muslims may have to empty out this place if Modi gets another term, and Yogi continues here."

Junaid, a round-faced 22-year-old with a goatee, comes from one of the most affluent Muslim families in the village. His father runs a gold shop in a town nearby.
Seated outside his home, he recalled playing sport together with Hindus.

"When we were young all the Hindus and Muslims used to play together, especially cricket - I played it a lot," he said. "Now we haven't played in at least a year."
He said he wanted to move to New Delhi soon to study at a university there. "Things are not good here," he said.

Some Muslims, however, say they are committed to remaining. Aas Mohammed, 42, the owner of a flourishing tiles and bathroom fixtures business in a nearby town, has decided to stay in the village, though he has a house on Delhi's outskirts.

Mohammed helped arrange a lawyer for Saifi after his arrest over the cow incident. He is now lobbying to have the microphone brought back and fighting a legal battle to get a new mosque built.

"I will fight on," he said. "I am not scared, but another term for Modi will make it very difficult for many other people to live here."

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Uttar Pradesh: Muslims plan to leave this village if BJP wins polls
Please make sure they don't move to Pakistan....
 
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I liked the rest of your post.

But yes, being the Alabama (according to me) is a bad thing
I want India to be progressive and practical with inclusive growth for all. I want religion to be a personal thing, not imposed on people. I want harmony amongst communities, living side by side and celebrating each other’s success to benefit the nation.
UP though I’m painting all the residents with a broad brush, does not embody these.
Maybe things on the ground are changing, (I hope so), but based on what I’ve seen and heard, it’s only getting worse for UP.
If Muslims feel unsafe there, I can see why. They should simply move to other parts of India which are more accepting and progressive.
It’s like living in the same tank with a Beta fish for the Muslims there it seems.
The odd inevitable incident aside, because cultures do actually violently clash sometimes, UP people are doing fine living among each other.

My own (somewhat distant) family in Lucknow is so muslimized you won't believe it, big muslim polulation there and lots of history, they're not going anywhere. It's exactly like when the deeply entrenched right wingers say that Kerala is a "hell hole" lol, only the scripts are slightly flipped around in UP.
 
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The odd inevitable incident aside, because cultures do actually violently clash sometimes, UP people are doing fine living among each other.

My own (somewhat distant) family in Lucknow is so muslimized you won't believe it, big muslim polulation there and lots of history, they're not going anywhere. It's exactly like when the deeply entrenched right wingers say that Kerala is a "hell hole" lol, only the scripts are slightly flipped around in UP.

Elites, the Muslims and Hindus have a different life than the common poor Muslim or Dalit in UP.
Clearly your family comes from means, but for the others at the bottom rung of the ladder, the reality is different.
The ones we are referring to in this topic and piece of news are those unfortunate ones that have no “power” except the vote.
 
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Elites, the Muslims and Hindus have a different life than the common poor Muslim or Dalit in UP.
Clearly your family comes from means, but for the others at the bottom rung of the ladder, the reality is different.
The ones we are referring to in this topic and piece of news are those unfortunate ones that have no “power” except the vote.
no, things are fine.

it's very much a mirror of Kerala, lefties have Kerala, other side has UP.
 
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Muslims in India r far more powerful than Hindus in Pak #fact.
 
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There is no reason for alarm among any group here, unless you are a separatist "militant"
 
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