Utility of JH7 for PAF

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

CM 400AKG is not enough for Brahmos?

CM-400AKG is a different kind of missile. More of a miniature ballistic missile (which serves a purpose), but not a missile that will cruise at sea-level at supersonic speed.

 

[LKJ86]

Is this a coincidence that China has put tons of upgraded JH-7s for sale???

No, due to the development of J-16.

CM-400AKG is a different kind of missile. More of a miniature ballistic missile (which serves a purpose), but not a missile that will cruise at sea-level at supersonic speed.

JH-7B was designed to take 2 YJ-12s.

 

[MastanKhan]

Yep. The CAS told Jane's that Project Azm should be a twin-engine jet with super-cruising and space for directed energy weapons. The only condition is that it be 100% ITAR-free; otherwise, the PAF is open to partnerships, etc.

But if anyone has doubts about JF-17 being able to do the job, then we'll need to figure out how to solve its issues, that's all we have for the time being.

Might as well take what we have (assuming it's even there) and put it into the right stuff for the JF-17, e.g., GaN-based AESA, a good HMD/S, a good HOBS AAM, a BVRAAM that at least tries to give what the Meteor offers, ALCMs that give the JF-17 a 350-500 km deep-strike capability (if at the cost of lighter warhead weight), etc.

Now what might really make things interesting if we can get someone to help us with ramjets/scram-jets (e.g., China, Ukraine, South Africa, etc) and develop a lightweight supersonic-cruising AShM for the JF-17. Sadly, the Indians are well ahead of us in that regard via the Brahmos NG.

Hi

JF17 was the perfect weapon of choice if we had an enemy similar size to ours in population and land mass.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Hi

JF17 was the perfect weapon of choice if we had an enemy similar size to ours in population and land mass.

Sure, but it's also the perfect fleet builder. It takes care of the 80% at 20% of the cost.

The only problem is that we're too broke to solve the remaining 20% with a larger and strike capable platform.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sure, but it's also the perfect fleet builder. It takes care of the 80% at 20% of the cost.

The only problem is that we're too broke to solve the remaining 20% with a larger and strike capable platform.

Hi

It is very easy to say we are broke.

The position that you are in, you need to tell what needs to be purchased. Young man, you need to understand your responsibility.

Who are you to say we are broke or who teaches you to say we are broke.

It has become a knee jerk habbit of every pakistani to say we are broke yet we pay for 8 subs, multiple small frigates from turkey and mid size frigates from china.

Saying broke gives paf an excuse for not getting a potent platform.

It is in paf blood to deceive pakistan so to me whomsoever states that paf has no funds—-he is on paf payroll and a part of sabotaging the integrity of the nation.

Tell me where did that 8 billion come for navy purchase

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Hi

It is very easy to say we are broke.

The position that you are in, you need to tell what needs to be purchased. Young man, you need to understand your responsibility.

Who are you to say we are broke or who teaches you to say we are broke.

It has become a knee jerk habbit of every pakistani to say we are broke yet we pay for 8 subs, multiple small frigates from turkey and mid size frigates from china.

Saying broke gives paf an excuse for not getting a potent platform.

It is in paf blood to deceive pakistan so to me whomsoever states that paf has no funds—-he is on paf payroll and a part of sabotaging the integrity of the nation.

Tell me where did that 8 billion come for navy purchase

tbh we don't know if those naval programs will come to full fruition. They're contingent on various EXIM loans right now, but those can be revoked, or we can simply fail to pay them off.

 

[MastanKhan]

tbh we don't know if those naval programs will come to full fruition. They're contingent on various EXIM loans right now, but those can be revoked, or we can simply fail to pay them off.

That simple

 

[ziaulislam]

Fortunately or unfortunately we are not inducting a new aircraft for deep-strike. The reason is very simple and obvious: money. I believe PAF decides on procurement based on what is the absolutely cheapest solution that will get the job done.

Right now it is as @Bilal Khan (Quwa) said: investment in the JF-17. PAF's actions have also alluded to this. Cancellation of the J10 order, resistance to get any other platforms to focus on JF-17 production, decision to get old Mirages (as opposed to a new platform) to extend Mirage fleet life. I am very sure that AWC is developing multiple SOW strategic/nonstrategic weapons for the JF-17. JF-17 will not be the primary strike element but it will be able to do the job if/when there is a gap when we don't have Mirages (retired) or Azm (not ready) for the strike role.

Speaking of Azm I think we have had official confirmation that Azam is twin-engine, which supports the conjecture that Azm will be swing-role: air-superiority and deep-strike. Also, all the weapon programs started for the JF-17 will eventually feed into weapons for the Azm. I think this is smart. We can't afford to induct a new stop-gap platform right now. That will only happen if something extreme happens.

Just my opinion.

Word resistance is wrong, PAF probably want alot of aircrafts but GoP simply doesnt has money...

It obviously first wants its thunders rolling
Than anything else...

For now even rolling the thunders out is an issue..the reason for the slow production..

Hi

It is very easy to say we are broke.

The position that you are in, you need to tell what needs to be purchased. Young man, you need to understand your responsibility.

Who are you to say we are broke or who teaches you to say we are broke.

It has become a knee jerk habbit of every pakistani to say we are broke yet we pay for 8 subs, multiple small frigates from turkey and mid size frigates from china.

Saying broke gives paf an excuse for not getting a potent platform.

It is in paf blood to deceive pakistan so to me whomsoever states that paf has no funds—-he is on paf payroll and a part of sabotaging the integrity of the nation.

Tell me where did that 8 billion come for navy purchase

Which one of them was without loan?
PAF has jf17& AWECs procurement going on on loan from china(see signing of block 1 which was on loan)

 

[MastanKhan]

Word resistance is wrong, PAF probably want alot of aircrafts but GoP simply doesnt has money...

It obviously first wants its thunders rolling
Than anything else...

For now even rolling the thunders out is an issue..the reason for the slow production..


Which one of them was without loan?
PAF has jf17& AWECs procurement going on on loan from china(see signing of block 1 which was on loan)

Hi Senor,

Guns bought on credit kill the same as purchase on cash---.

So---why not some more loan---.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

tbh we don't know if those naval programs will come to full fruition. They're contingent on various EXIM loans right now, but those can be revoked, or we can simply fail to pay them off.

That simple

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The 1980 F-16 listed online has been enhanced with modern upgrades, including being integrated for the Link 16 data network, GPS-controlled weapons, a Joint Helmet Mounted/Cueing System (JHMCS) and night-vision compatible helmets, a brochure on Jet Lease’s website explains.

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[ziaulislam]

Hi Senor,

Guns bought on credit kill the same as purchase on cash---.

So---why not some more loan---.

That is..if someone will give you credit ...do you have connections in china..?

 

[MastanKhan]

That is..if someone will give you credit ...do you have connections in china..?

Hi,

They will only give the JH7A's---hehehehehehehe

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Hi,

They will only give the JH7A's---hehehehehehehe

The game to push every country that can deliver some weapon system. Presently PAF is after the F-16's from USA. From China PAF is after the J-20 which unfortunately the Chinese are not offering but they have offered J-10's and J-11D's with some really good specifications.

 

[MastanKhan]

The game to push every country that can deliver some weapon system. Presently PAF is after the F-16's from USA. From China PAF is after the J-20 which unfortunately the Chinese are not offering but they have offered J-10's and J-11D's with some really good specifications.

Hi,

Tactically J20 is not the right aircraft for the Paf at this time---.

Pakistan needs something less expensive---something that does not hurt the pocket---something when shot down can be easily be replacable without hurting the budget---.

Jh7A is that least expensive option---when I talk about the JH7A---I am actually talking about the SU34---J16---J11---and I have stated that many a times---but blind will stay blind and deaf will stay deaf---.

The only reason I come back to the JH7A is that is the only aircraft available---non of the other aircrafts are available to pakistan---. If any aircraft is available---it is 4-6 years away to get---.

So---would you people be talking about what is not available to you---.

You know how many graduates with a masters degree want a job in the pak railways as a lineman---the very basic labor job---in thousands----why---because executive jobs are not available to them---.

So---in real life---if with all that education---you cannot get what you want and settle for the least likeable job---then what happens to you when it comes to the defense & protection of the nation---.

Why are you being deceitful to your nation at it time of need for its salvation---?

 

[thinkingcap81]

Tell me where did that 8 billion come for navy purchase

Because compared to the PN, PAF is in a much better position against India?