Utility and feasability of 056 OPV for Pakistani Navy

[araz]

I want to start this topic for discussion. As we know PN is a small force and its combat radius and sphere of activities demand mostly littoral combat ships and some ocean going vessels. Modern day warfare is platform intensive in the sense that with the advent of stand off ammunition ships are more in harms way than previously. PN also has tried to concentrate on smaller platforms for fear that the loss of a bigger platform will be more demoralizing than the loss of a smaller platform. Looking at the platform it is quite well equipped and may fulfill the littoral combat fleet needs of PN quite adequately. The F22s could then venture out into the ocean and do the job they are supposed to do.
The question posed is whether this platform has any utility for the PN or not? and is its integration in keeping with the general orbat of action of the PN?

Jiangdao Class (Type 056) Corvette, China





Key Data

• Vessel Type Corvette
• Builders Wuchang, Huangpu, Hudong-Zhongua and Liaonan shipyards
• Operator The People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy
• Length 89m
• Beam 11.6m
• Speed Over 30kt

Type 056 Jiangdao is a new class of stealth corvettes being built by four Chinese shipbuilders to replace the ageing Type 037 fleet of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy.

The PLA Navy plans to procure 20 corvettes in the first batch. It currently operates ten Type 056 ships, while the remaining vessels are in various stages of construction.

The Jiangdao Class corvette can be deployed in patrol, escort, search-and-rescue, surveillance, exclusive economic zone (EEZ) protection, electronic warfare (EW), fishery resources protection, anti-aircraft warfare (AAW), anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and anti-surface warfare (ASUW) operations.

Construction of Jiangdao Class corvettes
The stealth corvette class is under construction at Wuchang, Huangpu, Hudong-Zhongua and Liaonan shipyards.

The lead ship in class, Bengbu (582), was rolled out in May 2012 and began sea trials in November 2012. The vessel entered service with the East Sea Fleet in February 2013. The second frigate, Huizhou (596), was launched in June 2012 and commissioned into the Hong Kong Garrison in July 2013.

The third vessel, Meizhou (584), was launched in July 2012 and deployed in the South China Sea Fleet in July 2013. Datong (580) was rolled out in August 2012 and entered service with the North China Sea Fleet in May 2013.

Project 20380 Steregushchy Class Corvettes, Russia
Project 20380 Steregushchy Class corvettes are the new multirole vessels being built by the JSC Severnaya Verf shipyard and Amur Shipbuilding Plant for the Russian Navy.

Shangrao (583) was launched in August 2012 and entered service with the East Sea Fleet in June 2013. Qinzhou (597) was launched in August 2012 and commissioned into the Hong Kong Garrison in July 2013.

Baise (585) was launched in October 2012 and entered service with the South China Sea Fleet in October 2013. Yingkou (581) was launched in November 2012 and deployed in the North China Sea Fleet in August 2013.

Ji'an (586) was rolled out in February 2013 and commissioned into the East China Sea Fleet in January 2014. The tenth frigate in the class, Jieyang (587), was launched in January 2013 and entered service with the South China Sea Fleet in January 2014.

Quanzhou (588) and Suqian (FFG 593) were launched in June 2013 and November 2013 respectively.

Design and features of Type 056 corvettes
The Type 056 corvette is the first Chinese modular warship that can be deployed as an offshore patrol vessel or a multi-role frigate. The vessel features stealthy hull design integrating sloped surface and compact superstructure.

The guided missile corvette has a length of 89m, beam of 11.6m and maximum draft of 4.4m. The full load displacement of the warship is 1,365t and crew capacity is 60.

"The Type 056 corvette is the first Chinese modular warship that can be deployed as an offshore patrol vessel or a multi-role frigate."
The deck of the vessel can accommodate one rigid hull inflatable boat and four inflatable life-rafts packed in hard-shelled canisters. The helicopter deck at the stern can support a Harbin Z-9C light utility helicopter.

Type 056 Class sensors / radars
The Type 056 corvette incorporates a Type 360 air/surface search radar, Type 760 navigation radar, Type LR-66 fire control radar, Type 754 helicopter control and approach radar, and a hull mounted sonar.

The warship is also equipped with two jammers, decoy launchers, IR-17 optronics and a SITN240 SATCOM communication system.

Weapon systems fitted to the Chinese warship
The corvette is armed with four YJ-83 (C-803) sea-skimming anti-ship cruise missiles, an AJK-10 (HQ-10) surface-to-air missile launcher and two 324mm triple torpedo tubes. The AJK-10 launcher can fire up to eight missiles.

The corvette is equipped with an H/PJ-26 76mm main gun and is also fitted with two H/PJ-17 30mm dual mode remote controlled weapon systems, which can be operated automatically or manually.

Engine and performance
The Jiangdao class corvette is powered by two SEMT Pielstick PA6-STC marine engines driving two shafts. Each engine generates a power output of 5,148kW. The vessel can sail at a maximum speed of more than 30kt and has a range of over 2,000nm at 18kt speed.

 

[Indus Falcon]

@araz, Bro Kindly delete one of the threads. You have two identical threads running.

Utility and feasability of 056 OPV for PNThe Type 056 (NATO reporting name: Jiangdao) is a Chinese P

 

[Zarvan]

I want to start this topic for discussion. As we know PN is a small force and its combat radius and sphere of activities demand mostly littoral combat ships and some ocean going vessels. Modern day warfare is platform intensive in the sense that with the advent of stand off ammunition ships are more in harms way than previously. PN also has tried to concentrate on smaller platforms for fear that the loss of a bigger platform will be more demoralizing than the loss of a smaller platform. Looking at the platform it is quite well equipped and may fulfill the littoral combat fleet needs of PN quite adequately. The F22s could then venture out into the ocean and do the job they are supposed to do.
The question posed is whether this platform has any utility for the PN or not? and is its integration in keeping with the general orbat of action of the PN?

Jiangdao Class (Type 056) Corvette, China





Key Data

• Vessel Type Corvette
• Builders Wuchang, Huangpu, Hudong-Zhongua and Liaonan shipyards
• Operator The People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy
• Length 89m
• Beam 11.6m
• Speed Over 30kt

Type 056 Jiangdao is a new class of stealth corvettes being built by four Chinese shipbuilders to replace the ageing Type 037 fleet of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy.

The PLA Navy plans to procure 20 corvettes in the first batch. It currently operates ten Type 056 ships, while the remaining vessels are in various stages of construction.

The Jiangdao Class corvette can be deployed in patrol, escort, search-and-rescue, surveillance, exclusive economic zone (EEZ) protection, electronic warfare (EW), fishery resources protection, anti-aircraft warfare (AAW), anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and anti-surface warfare (ASUW) operations.

Construction of Jiangdao Class corvettes
The stealth corvette class is under construction at Wuchang, Huangpu, Hudong-Zhongua and Liaonan shipyards.

The lead ship in class, Bengbu (582), was rolled out in May 2012 and began sea trials in November 2012. The vessel entered service with the East Sea Fleet in February 2013. The second frigate, Huizhou (596), was launched in June 2012 and commissioned into the Hong Kong Garrison in July 2013.

The third vessel, Meizhou (584), was launched in July 2012 and deployed in the South China Sea Fleet in July 2013. Datong (580) was rolled out in August 2012 and entered service with the North China Sea Fleet in May 2013.

Project 20380 Steregushchy Class Corvettes, Russia
Project 20380 Steregushchy Class corvettes are the new multirole vessels being built by the JSC Severnaya Verf shipyard and Amur Shipbuilding Plant for the Russian Navy.

Shangrao (583) was launched in August 2012 and entered service with the East Sea Fleet in June 2013. Qinzhou (597) was launched in August 2012 and commissioned into the Hong Kong Garrison in July 2013.

Baise (585) was launched in October 2012 and entered service with the South China Sea Fleet in October 2013. Yingkou (581) was launched in November 2012 and deployed in the North China Sea Fleet in August 2013.

Ji'an (586) was rolled out in February 2013 and commissioned into the East China Sea Fleet in January 2014. The tenth frigate in the class, Jieyang (587), was launched in January 2013 and entered service with the South China Sea Fleet in January 2014.

Quanzhou (588) and Suqian (FFG 593) were launched in June 2013 and November 2013 respectively.

Design and features of Type 056 corvettes
The Type 056 corvette is the first Chinese modular warship that can be deployed as an offshore patrol vessel or a multi-role frigate. The vessel features stealthy hull design integrating sloped surface and compact superstructure.

The guided missile corvette has a length of 89m, beam of 11.6m and maximum draft of 4.4m. The full load displacement of the warship is 1,365t and crew capacity is 60.

"The Type 056 corvette is the first Chinese modular warship that can be deployed as an offshore patrol vessel or a multi-role frigate."
The deck of the vessel can accommodate one rigid hull inflatable boat and four inflatable life-rafts packed in hard-shelled canisters. The helicopter deck at the stern can support a Harbin Z-9C light utility helicopter.

Type 056 Class sensors / radars
The Type 056 corvette incorporates a Type 360 air/surface search radar, Type 760 navigation radar, Type LR-66 fire control radar, Type 754 helicopter control and approach radar, and a hull mounted sonar.

The warship is also equipped with two jammers, decoy launchers, IR-17 optronics and a SITN240 SATCOM communication system.

Weapon systems fitted to the Chinese warship
The corvette is armed with four YJ-83 (C-803) sea-skimming anti-ship cruise missiles, an AJK-10 (HQ-10) surface-to-air missile launcher and two 324mm triple torpedo tubes. The AJK-10 launcher can fire up to eight missiles.

The corvette is equipped with an H/PJ-26 76mm main gun and is also fitted with two H/PJ-17 30mm dual mode remote controlled weapon systems, which can be operated automatically or manually.

Engine and performance
The Jiangdao class corvette is powered by two SEMT Pielstick PA6-STC marine engines driving two shafts. Each engine generates a power output of 5,148kW. The vessel can sail at a maximum speed of more than 30kt and has a range of over 2,000nm at 18kt speed.

We can't afford to remain small Navy we have CPEC our enemy is getting much bigger by every passing day we need a Navy with 18 Frigates and Corvettes and 6 Cruise Missile destroyers and around 14 Submarines. Less than this is suicidal

 

[araz]

We can't afford to remain small Navy we have CPEC our enemy is getting much bigger by every passing day we need a Navy with 18 Frigates and Corvettes and 6 Cruise Missile destroyers and around 14 Submarines. Less than this is suicidal

Precisely why we want to dezignate the bigger platforms for deep sea operations and leave the littoral defence for these OPVs. It is a more economical means of attaining your dream of the same. As to your numbers. Aint goona happen.

 

[Super Falcon]

In a war u loose few and u kill few if we buy destroyer it destroy 4 IN ships and than it destroyed i think job well done

PN needs bigger platforms with bigger piwer pack weapons

 

[Zarvan]

Precisely why we want to dezignate the bigger platforms for deep sea operations and leave the littoral defence for these OPVs. It is a more economical means of attaining your dream of the same. As to your numbers. Aint goona happen.

It will happen I am pretty sure about it Sir.

 

[maxpayne]

We can't afford to remain small Navy we have CPEC our enemy is getting much bigger by every passing day we need a Navy with 18 Frigates and Corvettes and 6 Cruise Missile destroyers and around 14 Submarines. Less than this is suicidal

What about 50 nuclear powered subs and 100 aircraft carriers supported by battle groups of 4 destroyers and 2 large oil tankers each? I think would be enough for our adversary?

 

[RAMPAGE]

Precisely why we want to dezignate the bigger platforms for deep sea operations and leave the littoral defence for these OPVs. It is a more economical means of attaining your dream of the same. As to your numbers. Aint goona happen.

Inshallah we'll start our naval build-up after our GDP hits the trillion dollar mark. That would mean a $20+ billion defence budget.

That will take a long time but never say never.

 

[araz]

Inshallah we'll start our naval build-up after our GDP hits the trillion dollar mark. That would mean a $20+ billion defence budget.

That will take a long time but never say never.

Rampage
Your assumptions are based on premises for which there is no basis. One can say that Pakistan will have a trillion dollar economy but what is the basis for it? I think that day is far away. Also you have to remember that the enemy will not remain stagnant either and will progress as well. So all this pep talk of how Pakistan is going to do thìs and that is nothing more than hot air. Lets talk about tangibles which can be proven.

Interestingly the Chinese are also following a similar strategy.
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[Mo12]

Can Pakistan buy better quality ships from western world? Or will it face restriction?

What about Russia too

 

[RAMPAGE]

Rampage
Your assumptions are based on premises for which there is no basis. One can say that Pakistan will have a trillion dollar economy but what is the basis for it? I think that day is far away. Also you have to remember that the enemy will not remain stagnant either and will progress as well. So all this pep talk of how Pakistan is going to do thìs and that is nothing more than hot air. Lets talk about tangibles which can be proven.

Interestingly the Chinese are also following a similar strategy.
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We have a small area to defend, yes.

Let me give you a better idea, Batteries of CX 1 with a range of 300 km along the coast. Provide them with good air defence.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

IMPO, PN needs three types of surface vessels;
(Not discussing Subs or Air Arm)

1. Missile Destroyers.(around 6000 Tons) (COGOG) (4)
2. Missile Frigates.( around 3000 Tons) (CODAG) (8)
3. Missile Boats (Azmat Class category) (12)

The number of these will vary(different opinions), but the numbers I have mentioned are adequate to handle all types of threats PN faces.

 

[Zarvan]

IMPO, PN needs three types of surface vessels;
(Not discussing Subs or Air Arm)

1. Missile Destroyers.(around 6000 Tons) (COGOG) (4)
2. Missile Frigates.( around 3000 Tons) (CODAG) (8)
3. Missile Boats (Azmat Class category) (12)

The number of these will vary(different opinions), but the numbers I have mentioned are adequate to handle all types of threats PN faces.

The numbers you have mentioned are they additional to 8 F-22P Frigates or those 8 are part of of these

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

The numbers you have mentioned are they additional to 8 F-22P Frigates or those 8 are part of of these

The numbers I have mentioned are my personal opinion, and are the total number of ships.
I also mentioned these to be as realistic as possible and that they would be "adequate" to handle threats faced.

Naval ships are like not aircraft or tanks, which are required in large numbers to handle a threat.

 

[TaimiKhan]

IMPO, PN needs three types of surface vessels;
(Not discussing Subs or Air Arm)

1. Missile Destroyers.(around 6000 Tons) (COGOG) (4)
2. Missile Frigates.( around 3000 Tons) (CODAG) (8)
3. Missile Boats (Azmat Class category) (12)

The number of these will vary(different opinions), but the numbers I have mentioned are adequate to handle all types of threats PN faces.

Agreed, this should be the combination.

I said 6 F-22P with very good AD capability or something like Type 054A, augmented by 8-10 Type 056 kind of ships with good Anti Sub capability.

Backed by 20-25 missile crafts of the Azmat class or try Type 022 stealth boats.

And a very good submarine force with 8-10 boats. Ideal force provided we can buy and maintain it.