‘USA’ be declared Anglo-Saxon-Occupied-Red-Indians (Native American) territory

[KingMamba]

Every thanksgiving that comes by you have people who talk about the death of the natives, there is no denial here mate.

Actually you are wrong, mongols were known for their disease warfare.

 

[Khan_patriot]

 

[Indo-guy]

Every thanksgiving that comes by you have people who talk about the death of the natives, there is no denial here mate.

Actually you are wrong, mongols were known for their disease warfare.

well why it should not be talked ... celebrating a day ...which is moment of mourning for some ...is crass .
It is a symbol of oppression by victors ( present day anglos ) towards those who lost ( Native Indians ) .

Imagine somebody celebrating a day ....when your beloved were slaughtered mercilessly ...how ill you feel ?
Exactly same way native Indians feel every time "Thanks giving" is celebrated across the US .

They are forced with this against their wishes ...because they are minority .

US which pretends to be beckon of humanity and freedom and human rights and preaches whole world about same ..should do some house hold repairs first !!!

May be you are correct .. and may be mongols were first to use disease in warfare ...but that does not diminish the gravity of the cats of European invaders .

European invaders brought hell wherever they went ..destroying local cultures ...colonizing places ...marginalizing the natives ....eliminating their history ...

It happened in North America ...it happened in South America ...it happened in Australia...it happened in New Zealand...it happened on many more places around the globe .


Despite this west continues to be in denial ....they have no qualms in preaching those very values to rest of the world which had always trampled !

that's what irritates me ....

 

[Mercenary]

Yeh , true . US was always a white country ...and never ever had Red Indians . The stories about native red Indians is utter lie .
Aztecs , Mayas , Incas may never have lived in US ....but red Indians did ....and over a hundred millions of them were eliminated ruthlessly by White invaders ....
those who survived the pogrom ...were forced to change their identities ....

This is the truth that US ignores .

The world's largest genocide didn't happen in Hitler's Germany ( as west portrays it ) ....but in fact it happened in US ( the land of liberty ) !!!

That was because Native Americans didn't have good immune systems when they were exposed to the Europeans. So they were exposed to diseases such as small pox, etc. which led to them dying.

And why are you so concerned about Native Americans?

 

[Indo-guy]

That was because Native Americans didn't have good immune systems when they were exposed to the Europeans. So they were exposed to diseases such as small pox, etc. which led to them dying.

And why are you so concerned about Native Americans?

There is evidence to suggest that the diseases , starvation were used systematically as weapons against native Indians ....


as a humanist I am concerned of oppression everywhere ...This assumes particular importance when it happens in the backyard of the world's self proclaimed policeman .... who does not pull any stops when it comes to preach whole world about humanity , human rights , values , democracy and what not !

 

[Mercenary]

There is evidence to suggest that the diseases , starvation were used systematically as weapons against native Indians ....


as a humanist I am concerned of oppression everywhere ...This assumes particular importance when it happens in the backyard of the world's self proclaimed policeman .... who does not pull any stops when it comes to preach whole world about humanity , human rights , values , democracy and what not !

Good for you but you are 200-300 years too late.

Why don't you instead focus your energies on persecution that's occurring in the present than worrying about something that happened 300 years ago.

 

[gambit]

US which pretends to be beckon of humanity and freedom and human rights and preaches whole world about same ..should do some house hold repairs first !!!

But we did and like it or not, we did it far better in our house than many others did in their houses.

that's what irritates me ....

Har...It irritate you because people believes US on what we say about US than they do about other countries, particularly the ones back during the Cold Wars that have the word 'Democratic' in the titles but had nothing 'democratic' in practice.

Like it or not, the US changed more in its short history than most countries did in their much longer ones. We got rid of slavery while India continues with its caste system, so it is difficult for others to take India's criticisms about US.

 

[gambit]

as a humanist I am concerned of oppression everywhere ...This assumes particular importance when it happens in the backyard of the world's self proclaimed policeman .... who does not pull any stops when it comes to preach whole world about humanity , human rights , values , democracy and what not !

Yeah...Suuuuuure you are...

If you are a humanist -- a real and true one -- you would admire US. If anything, you really have no choice but to admire the US as a political state and the Americans as a people. But the reason I do not take your claim to be a humanist seriously is because you are ignorant of the fact: That a people and its government have jurisdiction only inside its borders.

That mean the best measurement and metrics to judge a country and its citizens is how the government treat its citizens and how the people treats each other based upon their values. Inside the borders, those values will be debated, taught, and either enacted into laws or not. Outside the borders, those values can only be expressed, not imposed.

If we are to use how the logic and methods on people criticize the US and Americans, then we should call God, in whatever his incarnations, as the greatest Hypocrite of all time and geography. After all, God is Master of the Universe, right? He preaches peace and love. Make love, not war. Etc...etc...And yet look at the sorry mess the world have been since He created it.

So please...Spare the few Americans here your pretentiousness.

 

[Indo-guy]

Good for you but you are 200-300 years too late.

Why don't you instead focus your energies on persecution that's occurring in the present than worrying about something that happened 300 years ago.

The oppression continues even today ...

That's the biggest issue ...
US has waged more wars , killed more innocents than any other country ...in fact it will exceed even if we put those killed by all countries together ...
You can't extricate ...past from present .
It has important bearing upon present and so also on future ...

Past , present and future are part of continuum of time ...

by studying past we can amend our present and so our future .

Because those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it !!!

 

[flamer84]

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as a humanist I am concerned of oppression everywhere ..t !

As a humanist your "concern" was need it 200 years ago.Today your humanism is waisted on a defence forum ,you'd be better off going to Africa as a volunteer to work with the opressed there.

I wonder if there are "humanists" for every clusterfuck that happenned in history...for what the mongols did,for what the romans did to the gauls( go kick some rocks in the Collosseum as revenge),etc.

 

[gambit]

The oppression continues even today ...

That's the biggest issue ...
US has waged more wars , killed more innocents than any other country ...in fact it will exceed even if we put those killed by all countries together ...
You can't extricate ...past from present .
It has important bearing upon present and so also on future ...

Past , present and future are part of continuum of time ...

by studying past we can amend our present and so our future .

Because those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it !!!

As if you can back that up with credible scientific and statistical analyses...

 

[Indo-guy]

Yeah...Suuuuuure you are...

If you are a humanist -- a real and true one -- you would admire US. If anything, you really have no choice but to admire the US as a political state and the Americans as a people. But the reason I do not take your claim to be a humanist seriously is because you are ignorant of the fact: That a people and its government have jurisdiction only inside its borders.

That mean the best measurement and metrics to judge a country and its citizens is how the government treat its citizens and how the people treats each other based upon their values. Inside the borders, those values will be debated, taught, and either enacted into laws or not. Outside the borders, those values can only be expressed, not imposed.

If we are to use how the logic and methods on people criticize the US and Americans, then we should call God, in whatever his incarnations, as the greatest Hypocrite of all time and geography. After all, God is Master of the Universe, right? He preaches peace and love. Make love, not war. Etc...etc...And yet look at the sorry mess the world have been since He created it.

So please...Spare the few Americans here your pretentiousness.

I do admire some aspects of American society ...
I am critical of successive US government policies ...I have nothing against American people .

 

[boomslang]

... I doubt you can call anyone out on their ancestry (me? German-Brit-Norwegian-etc.etc.)

My bull sh!t detector just flew off the scale.

 

[Indo-guy]

Yeah...Suuuuuure you are...

If you are a humanist -- a real and true one -- you would admire US. If anything, you really have no choice but to admire the US as a political state and the Americans as a people. But the reason I do not take your claim to be a humanist seriously is because you are ignorant of the fact: That a people and its government have jurisdiction only inside its borders.

That mean the best measurement and metrics to judge a country and its citizens is how the government treat its citizens and how the people treats each other based upon their values. Inside the borders, those values will be debated, taught, and either enacted into laws or not. Outside the borders, those values can only be expressed, not imposed.

If we are to use how the logic and methods on people criticize the US and Americans, then we should call God, in whatever his incarnations, as the greatest Hypocrite of all time and geography. After all, God is Master of the Universe, right? He preaches peace and love. Make love, not war. Etc...etc...And yet look at the sorry mess the world have been since He created it.

So please...Spare the few Americans here your pretentiousness.

I do admire some aspects of American society ...
I am critical of successive US government policies ...I have nothing against American people .

But I have serious issues with US administrations imperialistic policies ...


If American people support US governments misadventures like in Iraq and so on..then they are equally to be blamed for ...
after all who elected George Bush ?

In contrast to your claims that people and governments have jurisdiction inside their borders ...US government typically pushes itself breaching all the jurisdictions ...interfering and meddling with affairs of other countries .

I am sorry I can't respect US administration which has taken biggest toll on humanity .

It has the blood of literally millions and millions of innocents on its hands .

sorry but I have no respect for that .

 

[KAL-EL]