US Senate Blocks F-35 Sale to Turkey

[monitor]

So far what I can understand US not cancel the selling of F-35 to Turkey but block the sell for sometime until Turkey comes to some understanding regarding buying S-400 and releasing US pastor detained in Turkey. US is using F-35 as political leverage over Turkey .

If indeed all future selling of F-35 is cancel then Turkey have the opportunity to get o SU- 57 fifth generation fighter which may be not as good as F-35 but won't be worthless if turkey can upgrade it with its own subsystem under development for TFX . Turkey have year of experience operating, manufacturing western military hardware so if the can fussion western and Russian a Turkish version of SU-57 can deadly.

 

[Trango Towers]

Hope turkey leaves NATO. Gets nuclear umbrella from paksitan and assists paksitan with conventional weapons. Works on TFX and moves on. This wi probably break NATO as well because other partner's will see the unreliability of America. Greece bought s200 and no issue but turkey buys s400 and it's a big issue

 

[Dai Toruko]

So far what I can understand US not cancel the selling of F-35 to Turkey but block the sell for sometime until Turkey comes to some understanding regarding buying S-400 and releasing US pastor detained in Turkey. US is using F-35 as political leverage over Turkey .

If indeed all future selling of F-35 is cancel then Turkey have the opportunity to get o SU- 57 fifth generation fighter which may be not as good as F-35 but won't be worthless if turkey can upgrade it with its own subsystem under development for TFX . Turkey have year of experience operating, manufacturing western military hardware so if the can fussion western and Russian a Turkish version of SU-57 can deadly.

Things to consider;

Russia is a giant propaganda machine. If their weaponry is dysfunctional (remember their indestructible tanks, nuclear powered missiles with unlimited range, unstoppable missiles fast missiles). No matter how much of a catastrophic failure any of their weapons are they like to push the news out that it was successful. This in turn makes the U.S. spend more to “keep up”. So we don’t exactly know what Russia’s Su-57 reliability will be like.

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

You guys are delusional, it says could, not has, Turkey getting its first delivery this month let’s see if it happens or not.

But nice to see you losers get excited lol

 

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Pentagon: “Lockheed Martin will hold a roll-out ceremony for Turkey this Thurs. in Ft. Worth...Turkish F-35 pilots & maintainers have arrived at Luke Air Force Base & will begin flight academics soon"

 

[khanmubashir]

https://www.ft.com/content/d3c7492c-7346-11e8-b6ad-3823e4384287
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...lock-f35-transfer-turkey-180619085252727.html
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-senate-approves-bill-prohibiting-f-35-sales-to-turkey-133475
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ar-turkey-from-buying-f-35-jets-idUSKCN1IP3Q8
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-06/19/c_137265357.htm
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...ns-policies-senate-targets-sale-f-35-fighters

The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) now needs to be reconciled with a bill from the House of Representatives and could be approved by the end of the summer.

Thr first batch of f5 to b delivered by June end
And all these article say could
can
not will
And main issue in all of em is s400 well turks would ditch it any way after its poor performance in syira .. they just wanna the pot be sweetened for there apparent compliance
Your chaps dream of remaining only f35 operator in me wouldn't fullfiful turkey is much more important partner to f35 program then israel

 

[xenon54 out]

Funny how the lowlifes celebrate prematurely when there is no definitive decision yet, read before masturbating.

Before it can become law, the bill must be reconciled with one already passed by the House of Representatives. That compromise measure must then be passed by both chambers and signed into law by Trump.

At worst the sanction will stay till next president, by then Israel will have finished the beta tests of the jet.

 

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Pentagon: “Lockheed Martin will hold a roll-out ceremony for Turkey this Thurs. in Ft. Worth...Turkish F-35 pilots & maintainers have arrived at Luke Air Force Base & will begin flight academics soon"

Guess where this is taken.

 

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[cabatli_53]

F-35 delivery ceremony with SOM-J cruise missile and HGK guided bomb !

 

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[Cookie Monster]

they buy s 400

Which is for defensive purposes. Any country is free to buy from whomever it wants. When US/Turkey signed a contract to purchase F35, there was no stipulation that Turkey can't buy S400 from Russia. Turkey isn't doing anything illegal here.

Eastern Europe was part of Warsaw pact. Turkey was always part of NATO.

Greece was never part of Warsaw Pact...and yet S300 happened. Double standards are being used for Turkey.

 

[KapitaanAli]

The limitation applies to the transfer of F35 to Turkey, not to the transfer of title to Turkey.

So the ceremony being posted above is irrelevant to the discussion.

That being said, of course Turkey is gonna get them.

 

[500]

Which is for defensive purposes. Any country is free to buy from whomever it wants. When US/Turkey signed a contract to purchase F35, there was no stipulation that Turkey can't buy S400 from Russia. Turkey isn't doing anything illegal here.

Any country is free to sell whatever it wants too.

Greece was never part of Warsaw Pact...and yet S300 happened. Double standards are being used for Turkey.

Greece never bought the S-300.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Any country is free to sell whatever it wants too.

Yes they are...and US chose to sell it to Turkey. Additionally Turkey is a partner country that participated in the JSF(F35) program. After the contract for purchase has been signed...u can't strongarm a country by threatening not to deliver the fighter jet just bcuz they bought a SAM system that u didn't like. This is a clear attempt of violating a country's sovereignty...US shouldn't try to control their decisions. Had Turkey already bought the S400 prior to their purchase of F35 then US could've decided not to sell and that would fall under what u r saying here.

This current situation is no longer a "decision to sell", that decision was made when the contract was signed. This is just blackmail..."do this or else"...

And where does it stop? Let's say Turkey decided not to buy S400...and F35s are then delivered. Then if Turkey decides to do something else that US doesn't like, are they gonna stop the supply of spare parts?...
Should Turkey just become a slave/puppet?

Greece never bought the S-300.

Greece is an operator of S300. Short of purchasing it from Russia...how do u suggest they got it? Maybe they had a magic lamp and a genie came out of it, granting them wishes?