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US Secretary of State Mike Pomeo to arrive in Pakistan, hold important meeting with PM Imran Khan

Do Pakistanis have some self respect? He is not head of state so why should he come to meet IK. Can any secretary from Pakistan go and visit Trump? This will be beyond shamelessness on Pakistan's part if IK meets him.

Also when Pompeo meet an official from Pakistan, that official should be firm and focused on Pakistan's interest. Ask Pompeo for more trade, removal from FATF, charges on NATO transport convoys that use Pakistani highways, ports, sea routes, security, border crossings, etc. Don't bow like the past h1jr@s.
 
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simple, he wants to make sure there are yes men to their own agenda (which is putting their head in the sand and giving out gas from their backside).
Let us hope new administration is firm. no more cultivating puppets within to obey and state objectives e..g education and health.

Do Pakistanis have some self respect? He is not head of state so why should he come to meet IK. Can any secretary from Pakistan go and visit Trump? This will be beyond shamelessness on Pakistan's part if IK meets him.

Also when he meet a secretary from Pakistan, that secretary should be firm and focused on Pakistan's interest. Ask Pompeo for more trade, removal from FATF, charges on NATO transport convoys that use Pakistani highways, ports, sea routes, security, border crossings, etc. Don't bow like the past h1jr@s.
remember they are always thinking of other countries like their minions. it is new uber colonialism but in guise of proxy puppets to do their bidding. He is coming to give a message to shape up or else no more aid and also IMF threat.
Honestly debt is a huge trap
 
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IK should not meet Pompeo as it's against protocol for someone from lower rank in opposite camp meeting with the prime minister of Pakistan. Only direct interaction IK should have is with Trump. Shah Mahmood should deal with Pompeo.
 
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IK should not meet him. He is a sect of state not the head of the state so there is no point in our head of state meeting him. A snub from Pakistan is long over due.

Could not agree more.

Secretary should meet secretary.
 
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Wouldn't Prime Minister Imran Khan want Pompeo to meet his counterpart from Pakistan instead of the PM?
 
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Despite everything US remains one of the most vital countries and Pakistan has to engage with it whether we like it or not. You have to understand US has nothing personal against Pakistan. There is underlying dynamic. USA will do anything to retain it's sole status as superpower which has another contender in the form of China. That is the primary driver of US policy. And that of course involves cultivating a alliance with India to contain China. This is where Pakistan ends up being on the wrong side of USA.

However Pakistan has to work with USA. The reason is simple. What should Pakistan do with Afghanistan? Musharaf gave Afgh., to Northern Alliance/India back in 2001. In 2018 does Pakistan build a wall on the Durand and leave Afgh., in the hands of Tajiks of NA and India or try to leverage it to reduce or take Afg., out of the Indian grasp?

My feeling is Pakistan Army is not prepared to leave Afg., in hands of India.

Good post. Finally some sense in this thread. But I still think that IK should not meet Pompeo--at least not until after Pompeo has met Pakistan's FM first.
And you are right about the reasons for US-Pak clash of interests in Afghanistan in the larger geopolitical context; I bet MOST PDF members know that regardless of their origin. The only people who seem to be ignorant of that are in American media (and perhaps other Western media) and American political class. Even then I believe Hillary, Kerry and Obama really understood Pakistan's strategic compulsions and perhaps were half sympathetic to those compulsions--except they too knew the over-riding American interests.

There are a few possibilities in Afghanistan:

1) Americans get fed up and leave after some quick, temporary arrangement for 'peace': Much like what was done in 1989 which was supposed to be a solution for 'peace'.
2) The Taliban-Northern Alliance factions really form a govt of national unity in such a way that Pakistan's strategic concerns wrt India are accommodated. The N. Alliance factions don't love India--they will just take any support to stay in power.
3) We see another X years of Afghan strife.
 
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This is low level diplomat should not be able to meet the PM. Let him meet the foreign minister or whoever. Keep US relations PM to PM contact. If they don't want that don't meet them.

This is very important to equalize the relationship.
 
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Good post
Thanks and great post by yourself.

The N. Alliance factions don't love India--they will just take any support to stay in power.
No country can 'love' another country. That is as silly as saying one company loves another. Coca Cola loves Mcdonalds or Toyota loves Suzuki. Nations are just larger organizations than comanpanies with a differant memorandum of association. Therefore to say "love" or such terms in context of nations is absurd but I use it in context of general discussion on PDf and to make it simpler to convey a point.

The only people who seem to be ignorant of that are in American media (and perhaps other Western media) and American political class.
Incorrect they all understand it even more clearly then the developing world does. Indeed keeping a eye on self interest and running a country along Machavillian lines is a religious statecraft in the west. The west has developed incredibly refined manners behind which hides deciet, conciet and the only thing that matters is they advance their self interest. All is fair including war, murder, genocide theft as long as the come out better. All this ugliness is covered up with smiles, manners, fancy suits, big talk, diplomatic niceties.

The west [although frankly this applies to all successful states like Japan, South Korea, Singapore, China etc] also display some other patterns. Their ruling elites, their capitalist ventures, their military complex, industry, economic complex and yes their media are all on the same page. The media you mention are singing to the tune that their countries play to. It is not that they are ignorant but more that they play the tune to the needs of their societies. Truth be told their media is not free really. All media in most developed world play to the saying "who pays the piper plays the tune". Media are owned by large financiers etc which are part of the ruling elite of those states. So they won't print anything that goes against the recognized national consnsus.

In Pakistan we have no consensus. Indeed in Pakistan we have too much democracy. We have to much diversity of views. USA a country of two political parties. Republicans and Democrats. The differances between both are such that if they stand together you cannot even slip a thread between them. Then compare Pakistan.

On the subject of media why not look at Indian media. They are extremly nationalistic and there is little room for dissent. Then compare our media which by comparison is a sell out.
 
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Let Shirin Mazari take care of him. She's a defence analyst and understands Pak Afghan dynamics.
 
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But Americans are sounding desperate.
IK should not meet any pompi tompi just to send a strong message that old master slave relation is done. But until it happens, noting can be said, this could be IK first test.
 
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Despite everything US remains one of the most vital countries and Pakistan has to engage with it whether we like it or not. You have to understand US has nothing personal against Pakistan. There is underlying dynamic. USA will do anything to retain it's sole status as superpower which has another contender in the form of China. That is the primary driver of US policy. And that of course involves cultivating a alliance with India to contain China. This is where Pakistan ends up being on the wrong side of USA.

However Pakistan has to work with USA. The reason is simple. What should Pakistan do with Afghanistan? Musharaf gave Afgh., to Northern Alliance/India back in 2001. In 2018 does Pakistan build a wall on the Durand and leave Afgh., in the hands of Tajiks of NA and India or try to leverage it to reduce or take Afg., out of the Indian grasp?

My feeling is Pakistan Army is not prepared to leave Afg., in hands of India.
We need to prepare for this visit , take instutions on board and propound our concerns in such an effective way that it convince US as like its regional concern. We all are agreed that US has much influence in region that with an intelligent and effective diplomacy we can make our point clear to them.
 
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This is very important to equalize the relationship.
The focus should be on substance and not on protocols and who has bigger d*ck. Fact. Pakistan is on differant geo-strategic sphere to USA. I think both sides know this. USA regards India as the anchor of it's Asia policy. Pakistan has therefor no choice but anchor with China and has no intention to be second class servant to USA and India. However there is issue of Afghanistan.

What do we do? People may talk of "building a wall and throwing away the keys". That is childish and defeatist. So how is accepting Indian hegemony in Afghanistan a solution to Pakistan? The fact is thanks to Musharaf not having legitimacy and or backbone we lost Afghanistan to India in 2001. USA was also responsible for this loss. The present "Afghan problem" was born in 2001. We still are living with it. After Kabul was given over to Tajiks of Northern Alliance who were even antagnostic with Pakistan in the height of the Afghan jihad in 1980s.

Reasons are simple. Afghanistan is extremely fractious. It has always had deep ethnic rifts between Pashtuns, Tajiks, Hazara, Turkmen, Uzbeks, Nuristani's etc. During the Afghan jihad Pakistan naturally was closer to Pashtun groups and this riled Tajiks and the rest. So we have had issues with some groups in Afghanistan for decades. These got worse in 1990s as we supported Pashtuns whose groups morphed into Taliban. The other ethnic groups led by Tajiks united under the Norther Alliance [NA] and were almost pushed to destruction by late 1990s. Pakistan helped Taliban to do this. However NA were recieving help from India, Russia, Iran. NA obvioulsy detested Pakistan. In 2001 Musharaf effectivly gave Kabul to NA. And you have got nothing but hate from Afghanistan since then with India enjoying the "best buddy" category.

Soon after 2001 Musharaf saw the disaster that he had made in Kabul and ever since Pakistan has secretly tried to undo the 2001 blunder. The challange since and today is how to undo the 2001 blunder but pull it off with USA firmly supporting NA and India actively involved to make sure the status quo is not changed to it's detriment.

We need to prepare for this visit , take instutions on board and propound our concerns in such an effective way that it convince US as like its regional concern. We all are agreed that US has much influence in region that with an intelligent and effective diplomacy we can make our point clear to them.
Yes. Pakistan has to be robust. Talk nice. Be open to ideas but make it known that Pakistan made a blunder in 2001 but it will not under any circumstances will we accept a hostile Kabul. Further Pakistan will support Taliban come what may and peace is only possible with Taliban if they get their share of power in Kabul. Anything less than tell US to expect a 100 year stay in Kabul.
 
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I agree... pervaiz khatack shud meet him not PM
 
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The focus should be on substance and not on protocols and who has bigger d*ck.

Trump is a special kind of character. If you show him weakness he will walk over you. If you show him rational controlled strength he will treat you equally. He is your quintessential playground bully.Don't over complicate his character.

Sending Pompeo is a test by Trump on the new govt. Make him meet the foreign minister and follow the process to arrange a head of state meeting at a later date. This will bring Pakistani and American leadership on equal footing when they do meet.

For IK to meet Pompeo he would immediately devalue himself in front of Trump and then watch the twitter attack by Trump on Pakistan.
 
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