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US questions its unwavering support for Israel

Consensus forming in Washington that Israeli government is abusing support with policies seen to be risking US lives

There are questions that rarely get asked in Washington. For years, the mantra that America's intimate alliance with Israel was as good for the US as it was the Jewish state went largely unchallenged by politicians aware of the cost of anything but unwavering support.

But swirling in the background when Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, arrives in Washington tomorrow to patch up relations with the White House will be a question rarely voiced until recently: is Israel ‑ or, at the very least, its current government ‑ endangering US security and American troops?

Netanyahu would prefer to be seen as an indispensable ally in confronting Islamist terror. But his insistence on building Jewish settlements in East Jerusalem, which is causing a deep rift with Washington, is seen as evidence of a lack of serious interest in the establishment of a viable Palestinian state. That in turn is seen as fuelling hostility towards the US in other parts of the Middle East and beyond, because America is perceived as Israel's shield.

In recent months Barack Obama has said that resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was a "vital national security interest of the United States". His vice-president, Joe Biden, has confronted Netanyahu in private and told the Israeli leader that Israel's policies are endangering US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Senior figures in the American military, including General David Petraeus who has commanded US forces in both wars, have identified Israel's continued occupation of Palestinian land as an obstacle to resolving those conflicts.

More recently, Israel's assault on ships attempting to break the Gaza blockade has compromised relations with Turkey, an important American strategic ally.

A former director of intelligence assessment for the US defence secretary, last month caused waves with a paper called Israel as a Strategic Liability? In it, Anthony Cordesman, who has written extensively on the Middle East, noted a shift in thinking at the White House, the US state department and, perhaps crucially, the Pentagon over the impact of Washington's long-unquestioning support for Israeli policies even those that have undermined the prospects for peace with the Palestinians.

He wrote that the US will not abandon Israel because it has a moral commitment to ensure the continued survival of the Jewish state. "At the same time, the depth of America's moral commitment does not justify or excuse actions by an Israeli government that unnecessarily make Israel a strategic liability when it should remain an asset. It does not mean that the United States should extend support to an Israeli government when that government fails to credibly pursue peace with its neighbours.

"It is time Israel realised that it has obligations to the United States, as well as the United States to Israel, and that it become far more careful about the extent to which it test the limits of US patience and exploits the support of American Jews."

Cordesman told the Guardian that the Netanyahu government has maintained a "pattern of conduct" that has pushed the balance toward Israel being more of a liability than an asset.

"This Israeli government pushed the margin too far," he said. "Gaza was one case in point, the issue of construction in Jerusalem, the lack of willingness to react in ways that serve Israel's interests as well as ours in moving forward to at least pursue a peace process more actively."

It was a point made forcefully by Biden to Netanyahu in March after the Israelis humiliated the American during a visit to Jerusalem by announcing the construction of 1,600 more Jewish homes in the city's occupied east.

The Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth reported that at a meeting between the two men, Biden angrily accused Israel's prime minister of jeopardising US soldiers by continuing to tighten the Jewish state's grip on Jerusalem.

"This is starting to get dangerous for us. What you're doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace," Biden told Netanyahu.

Obama's chief political adviser, David Axelrod, said the settlement construction plans "seemed calculated to undermine" efforts to get fresh peace talks off the ground and that "it is important for our own security that we move forward and resolve this very difficult issue".

Netanyahu sought to head off the issue when he spoke to pro-Israeli lobbyists in Washington earlier this year. "For decades, Israel served as a bulwark against Soviet expansionism. Today it is helping America stem the tide of militant Islam. Israel shares with America everything we know about fighting a new kind of enemy," he said. "We share intelligence. We co-operate in countless other ways that I am not at liberty to divulge. This co-operation is important for Israel and is helping save American lives."

But that argument is less persuasive to the Americans now. Last month, Israel's ambassador to the US, Michael Oren, said the Jewish state had suffered a "tectonic rift" with America. "There is no crisis in Israel-US relations because in a crisis there are ups and downs," he told Israeli diplomats in Jerusalem. "Relations are in the state of a tectonic rift in which continents are drifting apart."

Oren said that assessments of Israeli policy at the White House have moved away from the historic and ideological underpinnings of earlier administrations in favour of a cold calculation.

Cordesman said it is too early to tell whether Netanyahu has fully grasped that while there will be no change in the fundamental security guarantees the US gives Israel, "the days of the blank cheque are over".

He added: "I think it is clear there is more thought on how to deal with Gaza, how to deal with the underlying humanitarian issues, less creating kinds of pressures which frankly, from the viewpoint of an outside observer, have tended to push Hamas not toward an accommodation but toward a harder line while creating of all things an extremist challenge to Hamas. But until you see the end result, some comments and some token actions don't tell you there's been a significant shift."

US questions its unwavering support for Israel | World news | The Guardian
 
The settlement snub was quite strong ...

But election is due in 2 years or so new policy makers will be elected and nothing will change the cycle will go on again every thing will be forgotten
 
But election is due in 2 years or so new policy makers will be elected and nothing will change the cycle will go on again every thing will be forgotten

Probably what you say is true. Though there are a lot of Americans who believe, as I do, that Israel is not a true friend of the USA and we should force them to make the concessions necessary to bring about a two-state solution. And THEN we should help the Palestinian state to achieve peace and economic development while holding our foot on Israel to keep them from subverting the new Palestinian state.
 
Probably what you say is true. Though there are a lot of Americans who believe, as I do, that Israel is not a true friend of the USA and we should force them to make the concessions necessary to bring about a two-state solution. And THEN we should help the Palestinian state to achieve peace and economic development while holding our foot on Israel to keep them from subverting the new Palestinian state.

What is ther percentage of people like this? i personally doubt if they can have any overall impact, as ziionist lobby is stronger than anybody else in america. America and Israel are 2 sovergn countries, they can have mutual relations with each other the way they want, but the americans should put aside prejudice and double standard policies in this most sensitive part of the world, they shold do it for the sake of global peace.
 
Probably what you say is true. Though there are a lot of Americans who believe, as I do, that Israel is not a true friend of the USA and we should force them to make the concessions necessary to bring about a two-state solution. And THEN we should help the Palestinian state to achieve peace and economic development while holding our foot on Israel to keep them from subverting the new Palestinian state.


That view is held by a minority. The vast majority of the American people support Israel.
 
^^ 63% of Americans support Israel. And herein lies the biggest barrier to normalizing relations with the muslim world and also to peace in the Middle East.

If you look through the Gallup poll below, it does indicate that Republicans are *far* more likely to support Israel. Support for Israel amongst Democrats is waning. And that is a hopeful trend...

Support for Israel in U.S. at 63%, Near Record High
 
That view is held by a minority. The vast majority of the American people support Israel.

They can surely support israel or be friends with them, that is absolutely fine, but they need to put prejudice aside, as i said before they have to do it for the sake of global peace and security, trust me Al Qaeda and Ladan take their lifeline support mostly from the issue of palestine, if there is no palestine issue, their support within months will vanish. this extreme stance is comparable to the stance of extremists in our country, but there is a difference, everybody talks about our extremists, but they are quiet about the ones in america.
 
American Opinion On Israel - And The Congress's

06 Jul 2010 12:24 pm

Frank Luntz's focus-group assessment of US reaction to the assault on the Mavi Marmara is striking. Some of the Israeli propaganda is simply not working. Take, for example, Charles Krauthammer's claim that "there is a larger issue here. What exactly is the humanitarian crisis that the flotilla was actually addressing? There is none. No one is starving in Gaza," or Netanyahu's statement that "There’s no shortage of food, there’s no shortage of medicine, there’s no shortage of other goods," or Ehud Barak's view that "There is no hunger in Gaza and no humanitarian crisis."

According to Luntz,

56% of Americans agree with the claim that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza; and 43% of Americans agree with the claim that people in Gaza are starving.

More to the point, only 34% of Americans supported the Israeli operation against the Flotilla. That compares with 71 percent of members of Congress signing the AIPAC-backed resolution defending the raid. What accounts for this extraordinary discrepancy between the views of Americans and the views of the congressmen who allegedly represent them?

American Opinion On Israel - And The Congress's - The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan
 
What accounts for this extraordinary discrepancy between the views of Americans and the views of the congressmen who allegedly represent them?


This accounts for the money ISRAEL LOBBY and its supporters spend to help elect the congressmen! :tdown:

American public is taken for a ride since quite long now. It is not the American Public Opinion that counts, it is the CONGRESSMEN and thier actions that run America and its foriegn policies and are accounted for!
 
This accounts for the money ISRAEL LOBBY and its supporters spend to help elect the congressmen! :tdown:

American public is taken for a ride since quite long now. It is not the American Public Opinion that counts, it is the CONGRESSMEN and thier actions that run America and its foriegn policies and are accounted for!

has nothing to do with the Israel lobby. America is for the most part a Christian nation. As a result most believe that Israel has the right to exist. And any attempt to destroy Israel will be beat back. I hear statements of support for Israel from the Church pulpit all the time. And I agree with with them.
 
has nothing to do with the Israel lobby. America is for the most part a Christian nation. As a result most believe that Israel has the right to exist. And any attempt to destroy Israel will be beat back. I hear statements of support for Israel from the Church pulpit all the time. And I agree with with them.

do they believe in palestine to have the right to exist? if yes then what is the people's reaction on illegal jewish settlements which is effectivley wiping the palestinans of the map of the world.
 
The most we can ask from anyone is to be fair in judging the rights from wrong. So at least its a good step from the US by actually standing by what they kind of want people to believe in. People want to live in peace and respect, and the harvesting of negative feelings happen when people are shown that those things don't exist. People opt for the easy way to make money through war than work harder and coexist. But then again would we do the same if we were not on the receiving end?
 
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