US Politics

[vostok]

Liberals are going away...

 

[T-72]

Liberals are going away...

nothing wrong with being liberal, though in the US that has increasingly meant a far left victim seeker sjw mentality culturally, and in the corridors of power, corporatist war mongers, the neo-libs, not very different in their outlook than the neo-cons.

this Trump revolution in the states was beautiful, faith in democracy restored, a real victory of good over evil and common sense over political correctness. Hopefully a new left emerges there, one that doesn't incessantly blame the native majority for everything that is wrong in the world, spl the men. I'm surprised they were even allowed to get that far with their 'everyone is racist' nonsense.

While nobody can deny that Trump has at times been a potty mouth, the man is socially pretty liberal himself. His running mate, Pence, is a bit of a right winger moralist ideologue but thankfully it seems the duo will have their hands full with real problems like Syria etc and the US has long since passed the stage where gay relations etc are even up for debate.

Trump is essentially a normal independent who leans left or right depending on the subject and will leave those types of domestic matters down to their states to decide, no federal over-lording in people's bedrooms in the US, probably doesn't give a toss about recreational pot etc, and does not hate muslims or any other minority groups there.

The liberal media in the US, having apparently learned no lessons from this yuge embarrassment, are continuing to push a very dangerous pro rioter and anti Trump narrative, and that worries me, hopefully they fizzle out in a few days but certain celebs are still pushing hard for unrest and chaos from their elite hollywood soapbox perches.

L.E.Trump might have to step in and teach them a fascy style lesson in Law & Order if things get bad:

 

[ultron]

Trump did not get more votes than republican candidates in the previous two elections.

He got more votes than McCain did in 2008.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016

 

[jaunty]

He got more votes than McCain did in 2008.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016

Yeah but just a few hundred thousand votes more, which is negligible if you compare the difference between Obama and Clinton. Obama got 9 million more votes in 2008 and 5 million in 2012 than Clinton did this year.

I also think that opinion polls which had Clinton winning clearly did more harm than good to her. Democrats got complacent and stayed home thinking this was an easy win. Some even wrote in Harambe and whatnot.

 

[Nilgiri]

Yeah but just a few hundred thousand votes more, which is negligible if you compare the difference between Obama and Clinton. Obama got 9 million more votes in 2008 and 5 million in 2012 than Clinton did this year.

87% of those that voted for change this time voted for Trump.

When I saw that in the exit poll before the votes came in...I knew it was game over.

Democrat party has only itself to blame for this loss....especially the way they rigged it against Bernie.

Total blue votes dropped so drastically, Hillary just did not inspire the democrat voting base....many voted Trump (esp in the rust belt) or stayed home out of spite.

 

[jaunty]

87% of those that voted for change this time voted for Trump.

When I saw that in the exit poll before the votes came in...I knew it was game over.

Democrat party has only itself to blame for this loss....especially the way they rigged it against Bernie.

Total blue votes dropped so drastically, Hillary just did not inspire the democrat voting base....many voted Trump (esp in the rust belt) or stayed home out of spite.

True. I personally underestimated Trump. He got more votes than I thought he would but Hillary's unpopularity was never in question. No one really likes her. Many voted for her as the lesser of the two evils, against a better republican candidate than Trump she probably would have lost even badly.

 

[Nilgiri]

True. I personally underestimated Trump. He got more votes than I thought he would but Hillary's unpopularity was never in question. No one really likes her. Many voted for her as the lesser of the two evils, against a better republican candidate than Trump she probably would have lost even badly.

I kinda knew Penn and Mich would be in play in a big way (Wisconsin was the only big surprise for me on election night.)....because Trump was a non-conventional republican. Pretty much an old-school democrat actually with protectionism etc being promoted among people who directly or indirectly suffered terrible unemployment for decades. Compared to Hillary who came off as typical establishment, even republican-like economy wise.

These people every day see the remnants of industries that once made them the greatest in the world...be it steel in PA, steel processing in Ohio and automobiles in Mich. I personally have seen these buildings driving around, huge and gutted....dens of drugs and homeless people to add insult to injury.

They gave Obama 8 years to bring the change he promised. 8 YEARS. Now they have either given up hope (and thus stay home) or are willing to take a gamble (but that needs a Trump or Bernie)....they have come to that desperate level. 8 years of a sex fiend, 8 years of a war looney half-wit and 8 years of a "presentable" incompetent....and people were seriously going to add crooked incompetent lady who relied on her name (of aforementioned sex fiend) and pretty much nothing else to this? MSM/democrats/establishment dug their hole...and they seem to be still stuck in it.

So when the they are whining right now about all trump voters being racist etc etc....just shows the underlying disconnect with the reality of the situation while they sit in their studios in their cocoons of deep urban wealth.

The lashing out by certain elements of theirs in these "protests" (turning into violent riots in areas), some quite possibly funded by Soros is just going to keep polarizing and isolating the US. Trump is going to have a very strong first year...his support base will strengthen and possible widen....whereas the other side will continue to split and divide I feel....they only have a long term chance with a complete overhaul of the democrat party (and by extension the MSM).....just like Trump promises to do with the republican party and establishment in general. Its really the promise and vision that matters a lot more for short term politics compared to results (which is something more long term)....Trump got that, the dems ultimately did not this time....but then they had 8 years of obama result to overcome so maybe it was always a tough ask....thats why Bernie was really their only chance....and even he sullied himself now by endorsing and supporting Hillary.

The disgusting smugness of the MSM continues:

 

[ultron]

The MSM is controlled by the powerful elites. In the 2020 election Trump would have the entire MSM behind him. Eric Trump and Tiffany Trump are expected to go into politics and leave The Trump Organization to Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump. That would boost him significantly. Expect a landslide victory for him in 2020.

 

[SQ8]

It is EXTREMELY important for Americans to unite now. More than ever. We CANNOT let these divides go further and end up in situations where are ready to spit in each other's faces in the streets. Libtards, Retardicans.. etc is an election idea and needs to be junked immediately.

To echo Obama, we really need this guy to work out otherwise we are all screwed. The office is what matters, not the man in the chair. There are PLENTY of checks & balances that allow any significant percentage to object and prevent any ideas they dont agree with. But derailing the exact system is not one of them.

Those who oppose Trump have a chance to correct their non voting and third party candidate stupidity, those who support him need to weed out the dicks and bigoted arseholes within themselves so that he can get rid of that image and really be accepted by all.

 

[Nilgiri]

It is EXTREMELY important for Americans to unite now. More than ever. We CANNOT let these divides go further and end up in situations where are ready to spit in each other's faces in the streets. Libtards, Retardicans.. etc is an election idea and needs to be junked immediately.

To echo Obama, we really need this guy to work out otherwise we are all screwed. The office is what matters, not the man in the chair. There are PLENTY of checks & balances that allow any significant percentage to object and prevent any ideas they dont agree with. But derailing the exact system is not one of them.

Those who oppose Trump have a chance to correct their non voting and third party candidate stupidity, those who support him need to weed out the dicks and bigoted arseholes within themselves so that he can get rid of that image and really be accepted by all.

A good first step will be for Obama and Hillary to condemn the violent elements in these protests.

It is inexcusable and must be condemned.

Right of assembly, protest and free speech is one thing....abusing it to include destruction of private and public property as well as intimidation/physical attacks....is something the current president at least must make a statement of condemnation for. Otherwise they continue to look controlled/hypocritical in the eyes of many. Step 2 and further steps will be hard to achieve without this.

 

[SQ8]

A good first step will be for Obama and Hillary to condemn the violent elements in these protests.

It is inexcusable and must be condemned.

Right of assembly, protest and free speech is one thing....abusing it to include destruction of private and public property as well as intimidation/physical attacks....is something the current president at least must make a statement of condemnation for. Otherwise they continue to look controlled/hypocritical in the eyes of many. Step 2 and further steps will be hard to achieve without this.

Public property destruction is unacceptable. This is not a third world country like India and Pakistan, we do not destroy our own nation.

 

[Nilgiri]

Public property destruction is unacceptable. This is not a third world country like India and Pakistan, we do not destroy our own nation.

Right. So Obama at the very least needs to come out and state this unequivocally right now (and preferably as soon as it started happening....but that has somewhat elapsed now). Hillary also following in releasing this statement is required as well I feel.

I am somewhat surprised that he hasn't....and it will be quite telling if he doesn't....given how the establishment continually implied that Trump (and more importantly elements of his supporters) would not have done so if Trump lost badly like they predicted.

 

[Clutch]

Public property destruction is unacceptable. This is not a third world country like India and Pakistan, we do not destroy our own nation.

Apparently it's getting there... wait and see once Trump nominates his cabinet... you have people like John Bolton, Rudy Julian etc waiting to get theirs.

I have said thisany times... it isn't about trump... it's going to be the people who come along with him that's the concern. I bet in 3years from now usa will face a huge constitutional political crisis. One that will forever transform the nation to an unrecognizable one.

 

[Nilgiri]

Still not one word from Obama and Hillary regarding things like this:

http://www.king5.com/news/local/more-trump-protests-thursday-night/350970854

 

[forsigmar]

The MSM is controlled by the powerful elites. In the 2020 election Trump would have the entire MSM behind him. Eric Trump and Tiffany Trump are expected to go into politics and leave The Trump Organization to Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump. That would boost him significantly. Expect a landslide victory for him in 2020.

US doesn't need another political dynasty. No more clintons and bushes. Chelsea Clinton is being groomed for congress, how messed up is that.