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US played big role in botched Philippine raid – Senate

We Filipinos are willing to do anything just to be the 51st state of USA. :usflag:
Have you guys tried this at any point in your history? If you have, why was it rejected?
 
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Actually, they feel annoyed when someone else ( not them ) is beloved by their neighbors. Every time.

Or their neighbors love each other.
PH and US
PH and VN
PH and Japan
PH and Korea
Vietnam and India
Vietnam and Russia
Vietnam and Japan
Vietnam and PH

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Well they base their current views on how Europe and US dominate the world stage, though I can't say much about history as Vietnam and China's historical relations is not very pleasant.

Have you guys tried this at any point in your history? If you have, why was it rejected?

It was tried but it wasn't continued due to local PH politicians at those times wanted independence and that the US' "Manifest Destiny" has limitations. These combined with racism during those times made statehood impossible.
 
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Well they base their current views on how Europe and US dominate the world stage, though I can't say much about history as Vietnam and China's historical relations is not very pleasant.

They find Russian as ally when they need them, and fear for Russian when Russia coupled with other neighbors of theirs. Same to American.

I guess they wish their name would replace the "US" in the title of this thread.
 
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US played big role in botched Philippine raid - Senate - Vanguard News

US forces played a “substantial” role in a botched anti-terrorism raid in the Philippines that left 44 local police commandos dead, according to a Senate report released Tuesday.

The raid, known locally as Oplan Exodus, has plunged President Benigno Aquino’s administration into crisis and jeopardised efforts to end a decades-long Muslim separatist insurgency.

“US personnel played a role in the training before, and monitoring, of the… operation,” Senator Grace Poe told reporters as she released the findings of a committee inquiry into the January 25 raid.

“The committee found that the United States substantially in the entirety of Oplan Exodus. It provided equipment, training and intelligence.”

The raid sought to capture or kill two men on the US government’s list of “most wanted terrorists” who were living among Muslim rebels in southern Philippine farming communities.

One of the men, Malaysian national Zulkifli bin Hir who had a $5-million bounty on his head, was reported killed.

But the other, Filipino Abdul Basit Usman, escaped as rebels surrounded the police commandos and killed 44 of them.

A police inquiry earlier outlined a multitude of tactical errors that led to the slaughter of the commandos.

The Senate report said Aquino must “bear responsibility” for the deaths.

But it also raised questions about the accountability of the United States, a longtime military ally of the Philippines that has so far declined to outline its role in the operation.

Three unidentified Americans were brought into the local army brigade headquarters during the operation, creating tensions with the Filipino military commander at a crucial time, the Senate report said.

“One of the Americans ordered Maj. Gen. Edmundo Pangilinan to fire the artillery,” the report stated.

“However Pangilinan refused and told him: ‘Do not dictate to me what to do. I am the commander here’.”


Deadly Filipino anti-terror raid bittersweet for US forces - Yahoo News

One of the Americans reportedly ordered a military general at one point to fire artillery to support the embattled commandos but the Filipino commander refused to do so in disgust, said the report, without identifying the American or his unit.

I sought US help to rescue trapped commandos —Napeñas | News | GMA News Online

I sought US help to rescue trapped commandos —Napeñas


More from: I sought US help to rescue trapped commandos —Napeñas | News | GMA News Online

Relieved Special Action Force chief Director Getulio Napenas admitted Tuesday that he sought the help of the United States forces in the Mamasapano clash but only in extricating injured police commandos locked in a firefight with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front in Mamasapano on Jan. 25.

Napeñas, however, said that US assistance was not sought in the actual operation against Malaysian terrorist Zulkifli bin Hir alias Marwan.

“Nung bandang tanghali na nakatanggap na kami ng reports na may mga sugatan na, I took the initiative na humingi ng tulong sa US fores to provide us medical evacuation, pag gabi na iwi-withdraw na yung mga sugatan,” he told the Senate committee on public order and dangerous drugs.

Forty-four SAF commandos were killed in the firefight with members of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front and Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters.

He said his asking for assistance is in connection with the ongoing exercises with the US forces based on the fight against terrorism.

He said the US troops were just in Zamboanga that time.

“They have their own protocol on medical evacuation,” said Napeñas.

Asked by Senate President Franklin Drilon if the US forces or Federal Bureau of Investigation know the operation in Mamasapano, Maguindanao beforehand, the police official said he did not know.

He said he did not inform the US forces of the operation before they conducted it as part of the SAF’s operational security.

Armed Forces chief General Gregorio Catapang Jr also said that he does not know if the US has any knowledge of the operation.

“We are very sorry to tell you but this is a PNP operation,” he told the committee.

On Monday, Napeñas said the DNA sample of Marwan was directly brought to the FBI agents waiting in General Santos. Marwan’s index finger was cut off for DNA testing.

FBI earlier said that the DNA sample sent by the PNP has very high probability that it belongs to Marwan. The DNA sample was matched against those of his brother Rahmat Abdhir, who is currently detained in California for terrorism-related charges. —NB, GMA News

US troops help rescue wounded commandos - The Manila Times OnlineThe Manila Times Online

US troops help rescue wounded commandos

MAGUINDANAO: US troops deployed in southern Philippines helped in the rescue of police commandos who clashed with rebels in Maguindanao.

American soldiers on helicopters evacuated wounded policemen from the town of Mamasapano.

Civilians retrieved at least 43 bodies of the commandos. But more bodies were still being retrieved in the remote village of Tukanalipao, according to officials. Some reports said 52 policemen were killed in the clashes on Sunday.

Mayor Tahirodin Benzar Ampatuan said they turned over 35 bodies to the police.

“There are still more cadavers in the area and we are trying to recover them,” he told The Manila Times.

Ampatuan said the police did not inform or coordinate with local officials when they launched an operation in Tukanalipao.
 
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Traditionally colonization was not the culture of the Middle Kingdom, rather it stressed harmony, responsibility, and hence it gave rise to the "Tributary System" in which China was supposed to protect the less-military-oriented agricultural civilizations like the Philippines while engaged use of force only to the military-oriented nomadic civilizations like the northern Huns. The system fell apart in the last 2 centuries when the Middle Kingdom failed to keep up with Industrial Revolution, failed to protect the ex-vassal states which ended up brutally colonized in a Western way. If contemporary China can resume its competitiveness after two centuries of dark ages, it should thrive to rebuild a harmonious Sinosphere in which various civilizations can co-exist peacefully, enjoy economic progress and free from colonization threats.

On the case of Philippines, it was still relatively in better situation than the others since US was a completely different hegemon compared to the European colonialists, way more liberal, civilized and multicultural, and these are also traits of the Middle Kingdom. Wish China and Philippines can rebuild a harmonious relationship!

Well at the start of their independence year in the year of fifty through 60's era they are doing well, Philippine indeed was once a jewel of Asia, they had large income per-capita far more larger than any country in Asia even when compared to Japan they are doing good, industry was thrived, their military is good. But when you are looking what they had become today, is a far cry from their potential in the past.
 
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Well at the start of their independence year in the year of fifty through 60's era they are doing well, Philippine indeed was once a jewel of Asia, they had large income per-capita far more larger than any country in Asia even when compared to Japan they are doing good, industry was thrived, their military is good. But when you are looking what they had become today, is a far cry from their potential in the past.
Under the foolish leadership of Aquino, Philippine can never progress. His boot licking of a decline imperialist is the main catalyst.
 
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Under the foolish leadership of Aquino, Philippine can never progress. His boot licking of a decline imperialist is the main catalyst.

I don't see US faults it is the case, there is much more country who can thrive and got more wealthier when they are under clienship with US compared to the failed ones. See the cases of Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, UEA and almost of all of the Western European Countries. Rather the weak performances of Philippine starting to found their current form since their own People Revolution in medio 80's.
 
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I don't see US faults it is the case, there is much more country who can thrive and got more wealthier when they are under clienship with US compared to the failed ones. See the cases of Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, UEA and almost of all of the Western European Countries. Rather the weak performances of Philippine starting to found their current form since their own People Revolution in medio 80's.

The US cheering of Pinoy standing against China with little material reward is a big mistake. Rather than employing Malaysia and Indonesia strategies of mutual dealing China for Spratly island issue. Pinoy went head against China and left no economy favour from it.
 
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Actually, they feel annoyed when someone else ( not them ) is beloved by their neighbors. Every time.

Or their neighbors love each other.
PH and US
PH and VN
PH and Japan
PH and Korea
Vietnam and India
Vietnam and Russia
Vietnam and Japan
Vietnam and PH

No one loves Vietnam. Don't kid yourself.
 
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The US cheering of Pinoy standing against China with little material reward is a big mistake. Rather than employing Malaysia and Indonesia strategies of mutual dealing China for Spratly island issue. Pinoy went head against China and left no economy favour from it.

Naive to persuade everyone that PH only want to protect their territory because US tell them to do so.
PH did ask US leave Subic long before, what cause them to invite US come back?
 
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Naive to persuade everyone that PH only want to protect their territory because US tell them to do so.
PH did ask US leave Subic long before, what cause them to invite US come back?

He just trying to say that PH should play the game smart... u gain nothing by going offensive because the big panda will always be their neighbor.
 
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Naive to persuade everyone that PH only want to protect their territory because US tell them to do so.
PH did ask US leave Subic long before, what cause them to invite US come back?

If our politicians back in the early 90s were not misguided, the American bases would still be here.
 
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He just trying to say that PH should play the game smart... u gain nothing by going offensive because the big panda will always be their neighbor.

Inviting Americans back in is smart. We all saw what happened after U.S. forces left.
 
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