US officials in Turkey to promise delivery of F-35 If Turkey cancel S-400

[BATMAN]

Only fools would trust and believe US.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Only fools would trust and believe US.

Flesh is stronger than steel. Soul is better than F-35. Man makes machine. Machine does not make man. Turkey is better off without F-35.

 

[cabatli_53]

 

[500]

WZ16 Turboshaft Engine is jointly developed (50/50) by French Safran Helicopter Engines with Chinese AVIC Engine and It was ground tested in France in November 2013

on the other hand Turkey develops its own TEI TS1400 Turboshaft Engine without any helping

They also have fully domestic WZ-9. Anyway China is asuper power stringest economy in the world (PPS) and second economy (nominal) it produces turboshaft engines, it produces own jet engines, it is developing them for decades yet still have very big problems with them. Yet you somehow believe that Turkey which is much smaller economy, which never developed any big engine will made them very fast.

very funny old Pantsir-S1 and Buk M2

These are brand new systems you don't have anything close to them.

Funny that u wank on S-400, which is a modernization of 40 years old Soviet S-300 and in same time dismiss brand new Pantsir.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

These are brand new systems you don't have anything close to them.

Pantsir S2 and Buk M3 are newer.

 

[MMM-E]

They also have fully domestic WZ-9. Anyway China is asuper power stringest economy in the world (PPS) and second economy (nominal) it produces turboshaft engines, it produces own jet engines, it is developing them for decades yet still have very big problems with them. Yet you somehow believe that Turkey which is much smaller economy, which never developed any big engine will made them very fast.

WZ-9 Engine was designed by the 602 Research Institute, with Ukrainian and Russian assistance , and the transmission system was developed with the help of Agusta Westland

WZ16 Engine is jointly developed (50/50) by French Safran Helicopter Engines with Chinese AVIC Engine and It was ground tested in France in November 2013

I am saying again on the other hand Turkey develops its own TEI TS1400 Turboshaft Engine without any helping

hese are brand new systems you don't have anything close to them.

Funny that u wank on S-400, which is a modernization of 40 years old Soviet S-300 and in same time dismiss brand new Pantsir.

are you joke or what ? Pantsir S1 missile has range of 12 km , Buk M2 missile has range of 45 km
and they both are not high altitude air defense Systems



Turkish Airforce has 230 F-16C/D with AIM-120C7 and AIM-9x sidewinder missiles and 4 Boeing 737 AEWC to protect Turkish airspace

and Turkey uses modernized HAWK XXI with range of 40+ km and AN/MPQ-64 Sentinel 3D Radar with max detection range of 75 km + TV/IR optic system against enemy SEAD attacks

and KORAL Radar Electronic Warfare System is in service since 2015


also by 2019 Turkey buys S400 high altitude Air Defense System ( 250 km range and 30 km altitude ) the best in the World against Fighter Jets and Strategic Bombers

also Turkey has developed HISAR-A low altitude Air Defense System ( 15 km range and 10 km altitude ) will be in service by 2020

also Turkey has developed HISAR-O medium altitude Air Defense System ( 35 km range and 18 km altitude ) will be in service by 2021



no fly zone for the enemy Fighter Jets over Turkey ,,,

 

[500]

WZ-9 Engine was designed by the 602 Research Institute, with Ukrainian and Russian assistance , and the transmission system was developed with the help of Agusta Westland

WZ16 Engine is jointly developed (50/50) by French Safran Helicopter Engines with Chinese AVIC Engine and It was ground tested in France in November 2013

I am saying again on the other hand Turkey develops its own TEI TS1400 Turboshaft Engine without any helping

Even if they got assistance its Chinese technology now. China has 10 times more experience and 10 times more money than you in jet engines.

are you joke or what ? Pantsir S1 missile has range of 12 km , Buk M2 missile has range of 45 km
and they both are not high altitude air defense Systems

Pantsir is 20 km range and 15 km altitude (which equals to altitude of F-16).
Buk M2 has 50 km range and 25 km altitude.

Both systems are specially designed to protect sites including the S-400 from cruise missiles. Yet they could not shot a single Israeli missile so far.

Turkey has nothing even remotely close to these systems. Hawk is ancient junk.

Turkish Airforce has 230 F-16C/D with AIM-120C7 and AIM-9x sidewinder missiles and 4 Boeing 737 AEWC to protect Turkish airspace

F-16 has zero chance against the F-35. And if US stops supplying you with spare parts all your fleet will became a scrap metal.

 

[MMM-E]

Even if they got assistance its Chinese technology now. China has 10 times more experience and 10 times more money than you in jet engines

I dont care about China

Turkish TEI TS1400 Turboshaft gas turbine engine will be ready in 5 years ( only a few countries in the world )
and Turkey plans to develop turbofan engine for TFX Fighter Jet project in 15 years

Pantsir is 20 km range and 15 km altitude (which equals to altitude of F-16).
Buk M2 has 50 km range and 25 km altitude.

Both systems are specially designed to protect sites including the S-400 from cruise missiles. Yet they could not shot a single Israeli missile so far.

Turkey has nothing even remotely close to these systems. Hawk is ancient junk.

New Pantsir S2 is 20km , Syrian Pantsir S1 is 12 km range



Syria is so weak and pathetic , still Syria shot down Israeli F-16 with ancient junk S200


I am saying again Turkish Airforce has 230 F-16C/D with AIM-120C7 and AIM-9x sidewinder missiles and 4 Boeing 737 AEWC to protect Turkish airspace

F-16 has zero chance against the F-35. And if US stops supplying you with spare parts all your fleet will became a scrap metal

Turkey buys S400 to turn F35 to burned bird , F-35 is joke as like F-117

also Turkey has developed 600+ km EIRS early warning new generation AESA Radar to detect and track even stealth/low RCS targets from very long ranges

so Turkish EIRS early warning new generation AESA Radar and IFF System will be integreted with S400 Air Defense System

and KORKUT 35mm SPAAG + HISAR-A and HISAR-O latest technology Air Defense Systems to protect S400 from Missiles

also Aselsan KORAL Radar Electronic Warfare System to jam and paralyze F-35's Radar

and Turkey have Missile technology ( BORA-SOM-ATMACA-GEZGIN ) to respond against military attacks




btw Turkey would buy SU-35 Fighter Jets from Russia ... We are not dependent on the US

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

btw Turkey would buy SU-35 Fighter Jets from Russia ... We are not dependent on the US

That's right. Whatever the stupid Americans can make, so can everyone else.

Turkey buys S400 to turn F35 to burned bird , F-35 is joke as like F-117

Hear hear. Stealth fighter got retired after got shot down by 1960s SAM.

 

[500]

I dont care about China

Turkish TEI TS1400 Turboshaft gas turbine engine will be ready in 5 years ( only a few countries in the world )
and Turkey plans to develop turbofan engine for TFX Fighter Jet project in 15 years

You have plans China has real thing.

New Pantsir S2 is 20km , Syrian Pantsir S1 is 12 km range

No, Pantsir S1 has 20 km range.

http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/panz/panz.shtml

Syria is so weak and pathetic , still Syria shot down Israeli F-16 with ancient junk S200

They shot down Turkish F-4 with 1 missile just. In order to shot down the Israeli F-16 they fired more than 2 dozens missiles. And immediately after that Israel destroyed these S-200.

I am saying again Turkish Airforce has 230 F-16C/D with AIM-120C7 and AIM-9x sidewinder missiles and 4 Boeing 737 AEWC to protect Turkish airspace

Again. F-35 makes 4 gen obsolete just like 4 gen made obsolete 3 gen.

Turkey buys S400 to turn F35 to burned bird , F-35 is joke as like F-117

S-400 can be easily destroyed even by 4 gen. All you need is cheap cruise missile.

btw Turkey would buy SU-35 Fighter Jets from Russia ... We are not dependent on the US

Spending billions on 4th gen when 5th gen is available? Brilliant idea.

That's right. Whatever the stupid Americans can make, so can everyone else.

Hear hear. Stealth fighter got retired after got shot down by 1960s SAM.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Spending billions on 4th gen when 5th gen is available? Brilliant idea.

Su-35 is superior to F-35.

 

[IblinI]

They also have fully domestic WZ-9. Anyway China is asuper power stringest economy in the world (PPS) and second economy (nominal) it produces turboshaft engines, it produces own jet engines, it is developing them for decades yet still have very big problems with them. Yet you somehow believe that Turkey which is much smaller economy, which never developed any big engine will made them very fast.


These are brand new systems you don't have anything close to them.

Funny that u wank on S-400, which is a modernization of 40 years old Soviet S-300 and in same time dismiss brand new Pantsir.

WZ-10 is the enigne for Z20 (1600kW)，which has already enter PLA service.
Anyway, this thread is not about China, please carry on.

 

[MMM-E]

You have plans China has real thing.

Israel has no even plans but Turkey successfully tested first indigenous turboshaft engine ( only the US,Russia,China,France,Uk,Japan,Canada and Turkey )

They shot down Turkish F-4 with 1 missile just. In order to shot down the Israeli F-16 they fired more than 2 dozens missiles. And immediately after that Israel destroyed these S-200

Syria shot down Turkish unarmed and defenceless RF-4 reconnaissance Jet
but Syria shot down Israeli F-16 some of the world’s most advanced fighter fitted with Israeli tech

and Turkey shot down Syrian MIG-23 Fighter Jet and MI-17 Helicopter

S-400 can be easily destroyed even by 4 gen. All you need is cheap cruise missile

S-400 can destroy all Israeli Fighter Jets , F-16 or F-35 it doesnt matter

and Your old technology DELILAH Cruise Missile can be easly destroyed by Turkish KORKUT 35mm SPAAG and
HISAR-A and HISAR-O latest technology air defense systems


Russia's S-400 Is way more dangerous than you think ,,

120km The 9M96E2 Missile is one of the jewels of the S-400 system. It flies at Mach 15
it can engage targets as low as 5 meters off the ground, and it can maneuver pulling up to 20 Gs designed to knock out penetrating aircraft and missiles flying “off the deck” or just above ground and neutralize cruise missiles



read more

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-s-400-way-more-dangerous-you-think-24116

Spending billions on 4th gen when 5th gen is available? Brilliant idea.

Turkey has alternatives if US blocks delivery of F-35 jets

and in my opinion Turkey will have both F35 and S400

 

[punit]

Before one forgets :
1. Turkey is a NATO member.
2. Turkish Armed forces are build around USA weaponary.
3 I m sure Turkish War Doctirne is also heavily influenced by USA/ European ones.

In case the push comes to shoves and the shit literally hits the fan

1. Turkey will be out of NATO.
2. Lack of support from USA will cripple TuAF.
F 16, F 4, choopers etc will face almost same fate as iranian F 14. May be a bit better but still.

3. Despite the wishes of our pakistani friends china will not help Turkey except some lip service. Putin is smart enough to get too deeply involved. He may use the opportunity to sale russian arms to turkey..But the complete Russificatiion of Turkey military equipment will take decades.


Ps : not worth over some batteries of S 400 which frankly speaking will be used only in case Iran or Israel attacks Turkey.

 

[BHarwana]

Turkey will continue to buy S-400 the offer of the senator rejected.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1034571578116198400

It is only a 90 days delay and no deliveries due in 90 days so nothing is getting late for Turkey.