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US making serious mistake in repeating Japan bashing on China, says economist

Source:Xinhua Published: 2019/5/29


The United States is making a "serious mistake" in bashing China, making others the scapegoat for its own economic problems the way it did to Japan three decades ago, said a leading US economist.

Comparing the US suppression of China to "a remake of a movie" in the 1980s, in which the United States wielded its big stick of tariffs against Japan by portraying it as the "greatest economic threat," Steven Roach, senior fellow at Yale University's Jackson Institute of Global Affairs, said in a recent article that "China bashing today is an outgrowth of America's increasingly insidious macroeconomic imbalances."

In the article posted on the Prague-based Project Syndicate website, Roach, also former chief economist at Morgan Stanley, recalled that back in the 1980s, Washington accused Japan of intellectual property theft, state-sponsored industrial policy and hollowing out of US manufacturing. "Thirty years later, Americans have made China the villain," said the article.

However, according to the economist, America's so-called trade problem was "very much of its own making," as the country has "little or no appreciation of the link between saving and trade imbalances."

With the net domestic saving rate in January 2017 at just 3 percent, the tax cuts by the current US administration widened the federal budget deficit, which more than offset the cyclical surge in private saving that normally accompanies a maturing economic expansion, the economist analyzed. "As a result, the net domestic saving rate actually edged down to 2.8 percent of national income by late 2018, keeping America's international balances deep in the red."

As regards the US trade deficit with China, which was typically cited by Washington as an excuse for the China bashing, Roach said that data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) and the World Trade Organization (WTO) suggest that about 35-40 percent of the bilateral US-China trade deficit reflects inputs made outside of China but assembled and shipped to the United States from China.

That means the made-in-China portion of today's US trade deficit is actually smaller than Japan's share of the 1980s, he noted.

Like the Japan bashing of the 1980s, today's outbreak of China bashing has been conveniently excised from US broader macroeconomic context. That is a serious mistake, he wrote.

Roach warned that without raising national saving, which is highly unlikely under the current US budget trajectory, trade will simply be shifted away from China to other trading partners of the United States.

"With this trade diversion likely to migrate to higher-cost platforms around the world, American consumers will be hit with the functional equivalent of a tax hike," he stressed.

According to Roach, the structural barrier to tackle the root cause of the US goods trade deficit is high, as "there is no US political constituency for reducing trade deficits by cutting budget deficits and thereby boosting domestic saving."

"America wants to have its cake and eat it, with a health-care system that swallows 18 percent of its GDP, defense spending that exceeds the combined sum of the world's next seven largest military budgets, and tax cuts that have reduced federal government revenue to 16.5 percent of GDP, well below the 17.4 percent average of the past 50 years." said the article.

"This remake of an old movie is disconcerting, to say the least. Once again, the US has found it far easier to bash others -- Japan then, China now -- than to live within its means," Roach wrote. "This time, however, the movie might have a very different ending."

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1152192.shtml

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Well, China is not Japan. Japan has killed US auto-monopoly. China is killing US internet/IC monopoly
 
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Well, China is not Japan. Japan has killed US auto-monopoly. China is killing US internet/IC monopoly

This comment is so stupid that what to say!

China is so behind the US on IC and software, that a ban on pretty much any Chinese company will kill it in China.

And the Chinese leadership know that, that's why they are not responding to American punches.
 
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The 1980s movies on Japan scare give a nice idea about the propaganda machine of the time against Japan. There was accusations from buying out the US, stealing US IP and killing US industries by hollowing them out.

Same exact propaganda by the US regime and its for-profit corporate mouthpieces.

Nevertheless, I think Japan will continue to free ride on the US mule till it sucks dry. Then, it will just continue to enjoy the big market next door.
 
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Japan never stole things so blatantly
These are made-in-Japan.

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That a ban on pretty much any Chinese company will kill it in China.

That's hardly the case because the Chinese government will take action. If China is a democratic country, well, they will die in that case.
The US has a complete monopoly on the IC industry. At the matter of fact, the whole world is behind the US, not just China and everybody who chose to test that getting all kind of sanction to lawsuits and buyback. In many countries that are supposed to be the US alliance, US companies buy the whole company to prevent competitions.
The core of everything is how to produce a chip, or rather how to do lithography and how small you can do it.
Everything else, CPU, mainboard, OS, Apps are secondary. You can design as much as you want, but you can not produce it, that's the US area. Maybe, Taiwan can have that ability too, but I'm not sure they have total control?

However, that's not mean China has nothing, heck, even North Korea has its own fab. In addition, China has a whole range of product namely Beidou satellites, supercomputer... so we know they can do it, just not as good as they should
There are two things in it: how small you can print a chip and how many you can produce. This is very much like USSR who measures steal production.
The US has 7nm technology in limited fabs, they can produce as much as they like using 14nm and up.
China has 20-14 nm technology in labs and university laboratory which can produce sample chip only; however, they can produce chip as much as they like using 90-65nm. (not sure about 65nm, but pretty sure about 90nm)

In the case of US sanction, China can do the following:
Ban rare earth, this will ensure chip prices to skyrocketed and normal people in China will have to buy local, not to mention there will be a total ban on foreign electronics.
Materialise the design of CPU, Mainboard, Compiler, OS, IDE ... everything should already in place from their supercomputer projects. Remember Loongson?
Industrialise their technology for 14-20nm -this will take around 4-5 years-
Spam chips under 90nm and 65nm so that their country can have IC to run pretty much everything besides gaming and 3D graphic, movie - special effect. Most day to day activities would not be affected.

The result is most of their system and cloud services will use their chip (Banking, Payment, E-Commerce, Telecommunication, Cloud-based office apps, Youtube, TikTok ... some small stuff...). They already have their supercomputer in place for planning: bridge, highway, dams.... so I would see no hiccup. Some gaming enthusiasts will have to try harder. The special effect will be dead or clumsy. Their phone will slow and will be used for e-commerce, chat, SMS, call ... no 3D gaming.
They are drafting laws and regulations for this.
 
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That's hardly the case because the Chinese government will take action. If China is a democratic country, well, they will die in that case.
The US has a complete monopoly on the IC industry. At the matter of fact, the whole world is behind the US, not just China and everybody who chose to test that getting all kind of sanction to lawsuits and buyback. In many countries that are supposed to be the US alliance, US companies buy the whole company to prevent competitions.
The core of everything is how to produce a chip, or rather how to do lithography and how small you can do it.
Everything else, CPU, mainboard, OS, Apps are secondary. You can design as much as you want, but you can not produce it, that's the US area. Maybe, Taiwan can have that ability too, but I'm not sure they have total control?

However, that's not mean China has nothing, heck, even North Korea has its own fab. In addition, China has a whole range of product namely Beidou satellites, supercomputer... so we know they can do it, just not as good as they should
There are two things in it: how small you can print a chip and how many you can produce. This is very much like USSR who measures steal production.
The US has 7nm technology in limited fabs, they can produce as much as they like using 14nm and up.
China has 20-14 nm technology in labs and university laboratory which can produce sample chip only; however, they can produce chip as much as they like using 90-65nm. (not sure about 65nm, but pretty sure about 90nm)

In the case of US sanction, China can do the following:
Ban rare earth, this will ensure chip prices to skyrocketed and normal people in China will have to buy local, not to mention there will be a total ban on foreign electronics.
Materialise the design of CPU, Mainboard, Compiler, OS, IDE ... everything should already in place from their supercomputer projects. Remember Loongson?
Industrialise their technology for 14-20nm -this will take around 4-5 years-
Spam chips under 90nm and 65nm so that their country can have IC to run pretty much everything besides gaming and 3D graphic, movie - special effect. Most day to day activities would not be affected.

The result is most of their system and cloud services will use their chip (Banking, Payment, E-Commerce, Telecommunication, Cloud-based office apps, Youtube, TikTok ... some small stuff...). They already have their supercomputer in place for planning: bridge, highway, dams.... so I would see no hiccup. Some gaming enthusiasts will have to try harder. The special effect will be dead or clumsy. Their phone will slow and will be used for e-commerce, chat, SMS, call ... no 3D gaming.
They are drafting laws and regulations for this.

going back 10 years in technology undermines your competitive position


Japan made a lot of iconic products
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going back 10 years in technology undermines your competitive position
Maybe 7 years at most, but of course they will not be competitive, their products will be regarded as slow, brick, clumsy, dirt ... and constantly being mocked by us :D
I meant that they can survive, and rather comfortable for 90% of native consumers. I can live with Core 2 Duo and using cloud-based services
But 4-5 years down the road, they will return, Russia was hit by sanction 5 years ago and they are returning now China would get there faster.
When they do, the world will have an alternative. "Made in China 2025" is very realistic
 
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The US has 7nm technology in limited fabs, they can produce as much as they like using 14nm and up.
China has 20-14 nm technology in labs and university laboratory which can produce sample chip only; however, they can produce chip as much as they like using 90-65nm. (not sure about 65nm, but pretty sure about 90nm)

28nm has been in mass production in China a few years ago, and SMIC is getting ready for the mass production in 14nm.

SMIC To Start 14nm Mass Production in H1 2019
 
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seriously?there were tons of films which refer to the japanese as “japs”

Seriously? "TONS OF FILMS"? In the 1980's? You sure you aren't thinking of the 1940's??

BTW that makes two of you making a big claim without either of you backing it up with just one example. You go through the trouble of posting..but can't type a few more keys...seriously?

Hmmm...movie with "Japs" in it...well I can think of 1979's "1941"...other than that I'm coming up with a blank for a movie in the 1980's. Maybe in the "Karate Kid" movies somewhere??

So if you can't name any of these "tons of films" we'll just have to write if off as typical Chinese posters making claims they can't back up.
 
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there were a TON, can't remember the names tho, the big lebowski?maybe.
Seriously? In the 1980's? You sure you aren't thinking of the 1940's??

BTW that makes two of you making a big claim without either of you backing it up with just one example. You go through the trouble of posting..but can't type a few more keys...seriously?

Hmmm...movie with "Japs" in it...well I can think of 1979's "1941"...other than that I'm coming up with a blank for a movie in the 1980's.

So if you can't name any we'll just have to write if off as typical Chinese posters making claims they can't back up.
 
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