US-India defence pact to impact Pakistan, China

[RedHulk]

Fear is a great weapon. Which USA is using in mind of Indians that they will soon be over run by Pakistanis and Chinese just to sell their weapons. On other hand india is thinking it is a great opportunity to pile up arms. But by doing so it will never be up to par with china. China's first priority is trade and second is defence. where as india put defence at top of its agenda. The speed which india is spending money on defence will take india into troubled water. The basic purpose of this agreement is to sell arms to india let it store weapons in Afghanistan which will be used my militant to destabilize pakistan. It is a fact none of the 4 of the countries can go on full scale war.

 

[John Reese]

Fear is a great weapon. Which USA is using in mind of Indians that they will soon be over run by Pakistanis and Chinese just to sell their weapons. On other hand india is thinking it is a great opportunity to pile up arms. But by doing so it will never be up to par with china. China's first priority is trade and second is defence. where as india put defence at top of its agenda. The speed which india is spending money on defence will take india into troubled water. The basic purpose of this agreement is to sell arms to india let it store weapons in Afghanistan which will be used my militant to destabilize pakistan. It is a fact none of the 4 of the countries can go on full scale war.

India fears No One, Its Our Interest and Are Strong Economy Which Maid Us to Buy Sophisticated Arms Rather get it on Soft Loans

India right Now is fastest growing Economy in the world

Talk in Present not In future
You Pakistani's always talk in future Tense It Not us But your fear Because It your Policy Since 1947 To Jump one Faction to another

India Started NAM movement If you Know what It Means

 

[bafxet]

OMG ! This is huge ! Long lasting impacts ! This will define the 21st century !

True, Very Well discribed

 

[mike2000 is back]

Us has a habit of prepping one country against other.
Do we hate pakistan?...yes very much.
Do v hate china?...yes but not to the level us is projecting.
India and china should resolve their diferrence without keeping pakistan and us in mind.
Prosperous india and china is the way for powerful asia.
Recent hatred for china in india is all made up by news media....and strongly belive american dollars are behind it.

Geo politics has nothing to do with public sentiment. It's all about interests mate

This Partnership has been create to combat and pressureize China more than Pakistan...The US is trying to find Allys in the Region. That is why Obama visited Vietnam in the first place...The US knows that no matter what happens Pakistan shall not decrease Relations with China...Perfect timing for a China - Russia - Pakistan Partnership...

Seriously??
Pakistan is still one of U.S main and long standing ally in Asia. the U.S also has military base in Pakistan, plus they still provide Pakistan with military and financial aid. Most of your military equipments are also from the U .S(and China). I don't believe Pakistan will pull out of its alliance with the U.S this century. If not it would have done it long ago.
You still benefit from this relationship. So it will carry on..realpolitik

 

[RISING SUN]

That is not us fueling the situation, Modi Sarkar while signing the PACT knows it well, a plain denial wouldn't serve the purpose that you are trying to imply here. Giving/gave access to US doesn't bother Russia, NO but it is and you have to wait for that response, the response that may have many shapes and it isn't necessary that to be harsh statement or military threat though someone can say NO with a smile and for that you can see Pak-US relations and the end of it. You are not reading and understanding the lines here but you are just portraying the Russia of those lovely days between India and them but now it is about new relations and interests of Geo-Politics and in such business, no one is friend forever that too without any benefits for self but when it comes to be more trusted, do not forget China for Russia. As I said, the separation is not necessarily to be happened after passing bitter words and based upon threatening behaviour. Nobody can fuel the situation nor it is needed as India itself has done the job.




as you say but, very next to it, you lost to hold it further and...



for what, gardening and planting trees for greener region and mineral water. As soon as you mentioned "Agreement is not for war" you forgot to continue the same approach by very next words you wrote and drawn the true picture that what really this Pact is meant for.

We are not in denial mode. So we don't comment where there is meaning of it. On topic we have official MOA for defense with Russia since decade if you are not aware already. There is nothing fair & Lovely product in international relations. What we have with Russia is conversation on all points which are not open for enemy interpretations. Further we have black deals(read strategic) already signed which binds both countries for minimum five decades. But fear not as you not going to get the gist of it. And yes this pact is not intended for war as we believe in our conventional capabilities. My last para indeed said the same that this pact will help in expanding the capabilities of indian forces which in turn can relive the pressure from US Navy on desastor assistance. Thank you.

 

[footmarks]

Fear is a great weapon. Which USA is using in mind of Indians that they will soon be over run by Pakistanis and Chinese just to sell their weapons. On other hand india is thinking it is a great opportunity to pile up arms. But by doing so it will never be up to par with china. China's first priority is trade and second is defence. where as india put defence at top of its agenda. The speed which india is spending money on defence will take india into troubled water. The basic purpose of this agreement is to sell arms to india let it store weapons in Afghanistan which will be used my militant to destabilize pakistan. It is a fact none of the 4 of the countries can go on full scale war.

Run over by pakistanis?

 

[hussain0216]

Geo politics has nothing to do with public sentiment. It's all about interests mate


Seriously??
Pakistan is still one of U.S main and long standing ally in Asia. the U.S also has military base in Pakistan, plus they still provide Pakistan with military and financial aid. Most of your military equipments are also from the U .S(and China). I don't believe Pakistan will pull out of its alliance with the U.S this century. If not it would have done it long ago.
You still benefit from this relationship. So it will carry on..realpolitik

U.S has no base in Pakistan

They only provide a small amount of weapons to Pakistan, alot of the U.S weapons we have were bought in the past

Pakistan has reasonably high indigenous weapons production and a superb relationship with China and Turkey to obtain or develop more

U.S aid is dwindling peanuts

Yes we have a continuing relationship with the yanks but describing it as a alliance is pushing it, our current interests dont match up and we support China

 

[RISING SUN]

Plz bear me out with an eye of neutral lens. US had been one of the top arms supplier and hi tech stuff to Pakistan and our association with Uncle Sam had been for almost 65 plus years so who else will know Uncle Sam more than us? Plz look around and U wud find that wherever Uncle Sam has stepped in, It had played havoc with that country. May it be Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc and look around that where-ever it has got bases are now in trouble. May it be Philipines, South Korea, ME etc etc. Why do U think it helped India get MTCR, extra ordinary Nuclear exemptions, Support for NSG etc etc? Was it just a good will gesture? No my friend but the fact is that they are going to use India as their pawn for the fights it can not or does not want to fight on own. Its just matter of time when U wud find that hostilities of India with its neighbors esp Pakistan and China would be at all time high. To summarize it, Uncle Sam is using India for its own interests and will abandon it there and then when its interests are met or if at some stage India decides to move back.

It was Pakistan failure to understand US as friend. There are no friends in strategic front. Only common targets. If you don't follow the target even a 1% what US has in mind, how can Pakistan even think of getting freebies. What INDIA does is that it doesn't take freebies so that in future we don't have to put our sovereignty for auction in US market and Congress. Pakistan did it but India didn't and will never do it. India is not Pakistan in simple terms. We pay in hard cash than keeping our sovereignty with foreigners.

Fear is a great weapon. Which USA is using in mind of Indians that they will soon be over run by Pakistanis and Chinese just to sell their weapons. On other hand india is thinking it is a great opportunity to pile up arms. But by doing so it will never be up to par with china. China's first priority is trade and second is defence. where as india put defence at top of its agenda. The speed which india is spending money on defence will take india into troubled water. The basic purpose of this agreement is to sell arms to india let it store weapons in Afghanistan which will be used my militant to destabilize pakistan. It is a fact none of the 4 of the countries can go on full scale war.

And care to explain what speed is that spending? Please speak with latest facts, no propaganda please. We also have access to same level of information.

 

[The Eagle]

We are not in denial mode. So we don't comment where there is meaning of it. On topic we have official MOA for defense with Russia since decade if you are not aware already. There is nothing fair & Lovely product in international relations. What we have with Russia is conversation on all points which are not open for enemy interpretations. Further we have black deals(read strategic) already signed which binds both countries for minimum five decades. But fear not as you not going to get the gist of it. And yes this pact is not intended for war as we believe in our conventional capabilities. My last para indeed said the same that this pact will help in expanding the capabilities of indian forces which in turn can relive the pressure from US Navy on desastor assistance. Thank you.

You did the same in this post as of previous. That is what I am saying that nothing is real in Int'l Politics and the nation's self benefits. As soon as (as the impacts started to show) Russia realized the threat of an old rival (a cold war since long) via India, what is your gist Russia will do. What type of disaster assistance, I mean LEMOA is not talking about rescue and ambulance service it is about access to the bases and future weapons purchases. India bonded Russia with so-called black deal yet given access to the India's bases etc for Russia's arch rival, hope you may understand how it turned into a breach.

Indeed the unnecessary fear of China & Pakistan forced India into this pact otherwise, India could have dealt things with diplomatic manners with all the neighbors but such fear helped US to step-in into India that posed India as an opposition to all anti-US Policies.

The whole pact is based upon cornering China (for US & India both), Russia (for US) and Pakistan (for India) and this alone pact is going to help us form a new alliance in this region. You don't need to tell that what really Russia will see it through this but GoI understands and would have evaluated the same aftermath while signing the pact by readying itself to get away from Russia. This LEMOA in itself is a breach of MOA with Russia whereby India allowed the Russian rival with access to bases. The Indian weapon procurement from west & US is a sign of getting away from Russia. I have my point of view to see these development and that is where you jumped to force your assessment that I do not agree at all in these contexts which seems not feasible.

You will have the Idea as the time passes by.

 

[shah1398]

It was Pakistan failure to understand US as friend. There are no friends in strategic front. Only common targets. If you don't follow the target even a 1% what US has in mind, how can Pakistan even think of getting freebies. What INDIA does is that it doesn't take freebies so that in future we don't have to put our sovereignty for auction in US market and Congress. Pakistan did it but India didn't and will never do it. India is not Pakistan in simple terms. We pay in hard cash than keeping our sovereignty with foreigners.

U still didnt get my point. Let me rephrase it:

"U are only needed to do Uncle Sam's job against China which Uncle Sam himself does not want to do."

And that is the only reason US is supporting U out of the way in NSG, MTCR etc etc. Not to forget that U are antagonizing Russia in the long run.

India is not PaKistan That enough reason to You to understand.Pakistan is Dubious Country it Dictatorial regime It Records
And Its Policy Which related in its own Failure

Its not about Pakistan only and I have presented lot more countries in my quote above and the reasons too. Tell me if I am wrong in saying that.

 

[airmarshal]

Its more for Pakistan. Its encirclement of Pakistan and trying to economically cripple the country so it gives up its nuclear weapons. This is the long term scheme and the enemies are in no hurry.

On the western border where Americans have a permanent military presence, all kind of mischief has been created and and encouraged against Pakistan. Now its the eastern border. In between, we have been repeatedly exhorted to do more. Not just that, there has been a concerted campaign in the west to malign the country and showing only its negativity. This is harvesting public opinion so that if action needs to taken, the public opinion is not against it.

Each and every Muslim country will suffer. As you can see Middle East is already on fire. They want to create anarchy, total confusion and demoralization of the nation ably assisted by self serving politicians like Sharif and Zardari.

U still didnt get my point. Let me rephrase it:

"U are only needed to do Uncle Sam's job against China which Uncle Sam himself does not want to do."

And that is the only reason US is supporting U out of the way in NSG, MTCR etc etc. Not to forget that U are antagonizing Russia in the long run.

Not China. Pakistan! China is just an illusion. Like war on terror was an illusion to invade Afghanistan and set up a permanent base there.

 

[John Reese]

U still didnt get my point. Let me rephrase it:

"U are only needed to do Uncle Sam's job against China which Uncle Sam himself does not want to do."

And that is the only reason US is supporting U out of the way in NSG, MTCR etc etc. Not to forget that U are antagonizing Russia in the long run.

So You think Containing China is not in indian Interest

Partnerships only build on People Who share common interests Its first Law of Alignment

Its not about Pakistan only and I have presented lot more countries in my quote above and the reasons too. Tell me if I am wrong in saying that.

Those Countries Are All vassal States No one is equal to Size and Stature of india

 

[mike2000 is back]

U.S has no base in Pakistan

They only provide a small amount of weapons to Pakistan, alot of the U.S weapons we have were bought in the past

Pakistan has reasonably high indigenous weapons production and a superb relationship with China and Turkey to obtain or develop more

U.S aid is dwindling peanuts

Yes we have a continuing relationship with the yanks but describing it as a alliance is pushing it, our current interests dont match up and we support China

The U.S provides peanuts to Pakistan? If it was the case your country won't be taking this peanuts.
The U.S doesn't have a military base in Pakistan?? Seriously?? Where does all those U.S drones take off to kill/strike Islamic terrorists and jihadists in Pakistan?? Do they operate it from Iran or China?

http://gizmodo.com/5886642/these-are-all-the-us-drone-bases-in-pakistan

 

[John Reese]

what is your gist Russia will do.

Wait For Yearly indo-Russian conference in December You will get clear Picture

World does not Run on one Man Opinion Sir

 

[shah1398]

So You think Containing China is not in indian Interest

Partnerships only build on People Who share common interest


Those Countries Are All vassal States No one is equal to Size and Stature of india

Like I keep on saying that the two front war thingi is making Indo-China border hostile and the day is not far away when "No bullet fired for decades" would stand null and void. Logically speaking U normalize relations with a country with whom U have overwhelmingly high trade relations rather than containing that very country.

Not China. Pakistan! China is just an illusion. Like war on terror was an illusion to invade Afghanistan and set up a permanent base there.

Realistically speaking its both China and Pakistan but as Pakistan is taken as "minnow" by our Indian friends so I deliberately avoided using that as not let the thread derail as I wud be shown facts and figures where it wud be proved that Pakistan is already doomed. Nonetheless Uncle Sam did not have to do much to create trouble for Pakistan when we already are heaving India and Afghanistan as our neighbors.