US government warns China to play fair in the chip market

[Shotgunner51]

China's government (including one on Taiwan) can't really help the US government with its trade woes.

But perhaps China can propose debt relief in return for Alaska. Why not? Once the Russian Empire sold the piece of land. It can be re-sold as it is of little value for the US.


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$7.2 million in 1867. Some $120 billion in current rates. China can double or triple the original cost.

I really want China to have territories in the Arctic.

I agree with @Penguin, let's leave Alaska out of the question.

Yes China (incl HK & Taiwan) is the largest creditor nation, and US is the largest debtor nation. But no, the size of US indebtness is so huge that China alone can't cater for, not even Japan and KSA are included (Germanic countries have to feed debt of other European debtors e.g. PIIGS). By end June 2016, US's net investment position was USD -8.0428 trillion, check positions of the top 10 creditors

1. JAPAN: US$ +3.41896 trillion
2. GERMANY: US$ +1.718391 trillion
3. CHINA (Mainland): US$ +1.6636 trillion
4. HONG KONG: US$ +1.1114652 trillion
5. TAIWAN: US$ +1.053905 trillion (**data from end of 2015)
6. SWITZERLAND: US$ +764.57 billion
7. NORWAY: US$ +728.202 billion
8. NETHERLANDS: US$ +583.5015 billion
9. SINGAPORE: US$ +577.399 billion
10. SAUDI ARABIA: US$ +572 billion

Source:
http://bea.gov/newsreleases/international/intinv/intinvnewsrelease.htm
https://defence.pk/threads/whos-worlds-4th-largest-creditor-nation.455610/page-3#ixzz4OxS7DyyR​

Main driver of US liabilities is their National Debt, which is again NOT dominated by China (incl Mainland, HK, Taiwan) alone. But I can't tell exactly how much China owns when some could be held through proxy accounts say Euroclear in Belgium or Caribbean banking centers.

Read the full report at: http://www.cfr.org/budget-debt-and-...its/p33185?cid=otr-marketing_use-balanceowed/
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Let's leave Alaska out, and go back to topic - chipsets, thanks.

 

[RealNapster]

Alaska that time was a waste land. So the Russian empire had sold Alaska to US govt then.

No. actually i know that.

But i was asking him that why he wan't to buy Alaska. inki lalich khatam he nahe hoti. itna barra mulk phir b alaska alaska lagaya hay.

 

[nang2]

During her speech, Pritzker said the U.S. government is an enabler for U.S. competitiveness and innovation in semiconductors, not a "driver" like the Chinese government.

What is the difference?

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

No. actually i know that.

But i was asking him that why he wan't to buy Alaska. inki lalich khatam he nahe hoti. itna barra mulk phir b alaska alaska lagaya hay.

Fallout 3

 

[Shotgunner51]

Plus with rising of China electronic companies. We can easily sway many Chinese companies to use Chinese chips

It will take time and alot more efforts/investments, the status quo market share on fabless, architecture (x86, ARM), are obvious.

Chinese foundires are doing fine, SMIC is already world's 5th largest, with 4.6% of 2015 worldwide market share. The other China Mainland company Huahong Grace also rose into 10th spot. Out of top 10, 4 are from China Taiwan, with TSMC still leading the pack. TSMC even beats rest-of-the-world combined. Their 20 nm planar, and 16 nm Fin field-effect transistor (FinFET) technologies serving the need of application processors and baseband modem chips, were huge successes.

 

[Penguin]

Alaska that time was a waste land. So the Russian empire had sold Alaska to US govt then.

Russia wanted to sell its Alaskan territory, fearing that it might be seized if war broke out with the United Kingdom. Russia's primary activities in the territory had been fur trade and missionary work among the Native Alaskans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Purchase

What is the difference?

Driver = source
Enabler = facilitator

 

[nang2]

Driver = source
Enabler = facilitator

the only source of innovation is necessity. what either driver or facilitator can do is just to help satisfy the necessity.

 

[cnleio]

The chip industry is the last gap between U.S and China ... right now China is world 1st biggest chip market, U.S has the most chip manufacturers. I believe when Chinese can design & produce more chips / processors than American made, future China can surpass U.S when we to reach such achievement.

 

[cloud4000]

China's market is big enough that it can go it alone. All the US can do is not allow Chinese chips to enter their market. Regardless, there is a trade war looming between China and US, and not just about microchips.

 

[Penguin]

the only source of innovation is necessity. what either driver or facilitator can do is just to help satisfy the necessity.

In the statement that the question was about (During her speech, Pritzker said the U.S. government is an enabler for U.S. competitiveness and innovation in semiconductors, not a "driver" like the Chinese government), it matters are it refers to a different role of government in the proces. In the US, driver(s) are private sector entities and the government is an enabler. That is different in China.

 

[nang2]

In the statement that the question was about (During her speech, Pritzker said the U.S. government is an enabler for U.S. competitiveness and innovation in semiconductors, not a "driver" like the Chinese government), it matters are it refers to a different role of government in the proces. In the US, driver(s) are private sector entities and the government is an enabler. That is different in China.

that statement is a typical governmental bullshit of the west. no government can enable competitiveness. it is a job of entrepreneurs. Chinese government actually plays the role of entrepreneurs because it claims to be socialistic. I doubt US government will admit it's own socialistic economic policy.

 

[Penguin]

that statement is a typical governmental bullshit of the west. no government can enable competitiveness. it is a job of entrepreneurs. Chinese government actually plays the role of entrepreneurs because it claims to be socialistic. I doubt US government will admit it's own socialistic economic policy.

I'm not discussing this with you. Because it doesn't interest me.

 

[Jlaw]

The pain is obvious in the choice of words.

They feel threatened, squeezed and cornered. Established interests from having monopolistic control over high-end, high-return industries are being challenged. Yet, the status quo won't be allowed to continue as it was.

The best the US can do is to altogether ban the export of semiconductors to China, which would be a blessing.

Who cares about US employment woes when China's sole responsibility is toward its own citizens?

US can double down on everything (perhaps, it really should), but, given the level of corruption, nepotism and mutual back-patting/protecting going on in the US politics, it is likely to leave a nice echo on the chambers of the Congress with no actual result.

There are two types of declining:

Huffing, puffing, and screaming like the US does these days.

Graceful, silent, and honorable like the UK did.

US empire is dying. They are. putting out all the stops now with their nonsense MSM. Beijing ain't listening. Time to increase spending in chips.
i'm glad to be witnessing the slow death of an imperialist empire.

They need to work harder and consume less. Also, get the military out of East Asia. Then, chip problem would be solved.

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U.S. Net International Investment Position
Second Quarter 2016

The U.S. net international investment position at the end of the second quarter of 2016 was -$8,042.8 billion (preliminary), according to statistics released today by the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA). The net investment position at the end of the first quarter was -$7,582.0 billion (revised).

• The net investment position decreased $460.8 billion or 6.1 percent in the second quarter, compared with a decrease of 4.1 percent in the first quarter, and an average quarterly decrease of 6.1 percent from the first quarter of 2011 through the fourth quarter of 2015.
• The $460.8 billion decrease in the net position reflected a $479.9 billion decrease in the net position excluding financial derivatives that was partly offset by a $19.1 billion increase in the net position in financial derivatives.

Not just get out of. EA but close off. all military bases around the world. They currently have over 1000 bases around the world.

 

[AndrewJin]

US empire is dying. They are. putting out all the stops now with their nonsense MSM. Beijing ain't listening. Time to increase spending in chips.
i'm glad to be witnessing the slow death of an imperialist empire.


Not just get out of. EA but close off. all military bases around the world. They currently have over 1000 bases around the world.

They have the energy to run 1000 bases but not the tiny passenger railway system in which derailments happened twice in one week last month. Funny country

 

[Beast]

They have the energy to run 1000 bases but not the tiny passenger railway system in which derailments happened twice in one week last month. Funny country

The final nail will be the destruction of US dollar. I want to see how Japan sustain buying US debt since they are now the largest holder while China and Saudi now keep selling US dollar. Abe is a stupid crap that need to be remove quickly to save Japan from sliding down more. He is gambling Japanese future by clinging closely with US including stupidly squander Japan money to support US imperialism.