US backs China & Russia, blow to Indian UNSC dream

[fnv74]

2 Permanent members of UNSC which are France and Britian are part of EU and making Germany Permanent members of UNSC.

Germany started world war 2 which led to UNSC. So Germany deserves a seat at UNSC.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Germany started world war 2 which led to UNSC. So Germany deserves a seat at UNSC.

Germany is a de facto part of the P5 + 1.

 

[fnv74]

Germany is a de facto part of the P5 + 1.

Hitler's army had B-2 bomber design in 1945.

 

[zzebie]

It's an exclusive table reserved (perhaps rightly so) for the winners of WW2, it's the post great war world order. That's why no Germany, Japan etc

and it's also pretty useless, the big boys will do as they please and keep vetoing each other but in the end do what they want.. the US bombs whoever it wants to, Russia is involved in Ukraine and the Chinese keep stealing bits of clay and water from everyone around them

China's significance i guess was more of being of service to the Allies by providing bases etc in beating the Japs rather then China itself winning any part of WW2. Rest of the countries i agree.

Personally i find this permanent member security council archaic and outdated. I would rather India strive to make this 5 member council as a rotating table kind of thing, where a much larger pool of countries get a turn, rather than trying to add itself to this exclusive list.

 

[SP!TF!R3]

Uh, they did give the seat to the ROC (Taiwan)?

But the seat belongs to a "country", not a government. So when the PRC was recognized as the official representative of China (in the 1970's) the seat passed to us. The same way the seat of the Soviet Union passed to the Russian Federation. Different government, same country.

And again, India did not even exist back then. They weren't going to give 2 vetoes to Britain.

Even China didn't exist back then..it was much larger country,headed by Kuomintang..so,why not the original country than breakaway fraction??

Its Russia which got UNSC seat,not Ukraine..got my point??

and FYI,India always existed.What you chinese m0r0ns doesn't understand is that India was not under "British Empire"..It was British India along with Princely states..as you said,same country,different government..really,4 years I'm harping the same statements,but Chinese are yet to learn the fact.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Even China didn't exist back then..it was much larger country,headed by Kuomintang..so,why not the original country than breakaway fraction??

Its Russia which got UNSC seat,not Ukraine..got my point??

and FYI,India always existed.What you chinese m0r0ns doesn't understand is that India was not under "British Empire"..It was British India along with Princely states..as you said,same country,different government..really,4 years I'm harping the same statements,but Chinese are yet to learn the fact.

Apparently the rest of the world did not believe that India existed at that time, since they gave the veto to Britain, and India was not even considered.

 

[waz]

well,unlike you guys,we're optimist.we'll be rather on the side of "Struggling for a seat in UNSC" than opposing it(Coffee Club LOL)..

Actually,they can't block this motion forever,as they can't ignore G-4.also,the motion is not exactly G-4's,it was about reform of UNSC,which is more than urgent.

See this is the issue. You're unable to handle constructive criticism and instead come on with old "you guys" retaliatory post, as if your honour has been stomped upon or something. I actually praised India in my previous post.
I do like how you used the term "coffee club" but the bottom line remains my dear fellow the "coffee club" asked for the status quo to remain, where as you are asking for a seat, which has now been ruled out. So being a part of the "coffee club" isn't that bad I guess.

What do you mean they can't block this motion forever? What do you intend to do? They'll carry on regardless and I'm sure you will bring up Pakistan again.

 

[Hindustani78]

Japan is an excuse China will use to deny India the high table.

ASEAN countries will support Japan for the Seat

 

[Donatello]

@Guynextdoor2 so what do you have to say now?

Nehru refused the offer.......

 

[waz]

and FYI,India always existed.What you chinese m0r0ns

Stop using personal insults. Your posts are already poor, don't make them worse. You seem very upset. Calm down.

 

[SP!TF!R3]

Apparently the rest of the world did not believe that India existed at that time, since they gave the veto to Britain, and India was not even considered.

LOL...and here we are..you can't conjure enough logic to give a reply,can you??

you see,there is no argument against India which China didn't violate..China got its UNSC seat in 1970..I wonder which "Great War" CCP ruled China won.If government deserved it,then it should be ROC than China.If a country deserves it based on participation in WW-II,then India deserves it more than China or France.If it is based on population,power and economics,then G-4 deserves it more than UK and France...

I mean,one war ended 70 years ago,and based on that,some handful of country of bygone age will dictate fate of world??how fkuctard logic is this..

 

[waz]

My question is how long their elitism remain?. There are two areas that east lags behind west: technology and economics. What happens if east catches west in these areas. Can their elitism remain? I already see east progressing in both these areas much faster than the west

That's a fair point, but the East is covered by China. As for technology, the West isn't stuck stuck in time. They are also progressing, so this whole talk of "catch up" is speculative at best.

 

[SP!TF!R3]

Stop using personal insults. Your posts are already poor, don't make them worse. You seem very upset. Calm down.

well,hard to digest,that what you must say..

anyway,in no mood to argue with a mod.

but I want to clearly mention a point..

when a Chinese "Think Tank" abuses Historical facts,I think one should take a note..please read his post and say whether his "India didn't exist back then" suits for a "Think Tank"??I think one should take make this kind of comment "Liable for Infraction"..Because this kind of very comments send a thread to the gutter.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

how fkuctard logic is this..

LOL, what does that sentence even mean?

Again, India the country did not exist back then. That's why India was never even considered for a P5 seat... it did not exist.

The subcontinent at that time (geographical region known as British India) was a part of the British empire.

It was never even a consideration back then. Britain wasn't going to get 2 vetoes.

 

[waz]

well,hard to digest,that what you must say..

anyway,in no mood to argue with a mod.

but I want to clearly mention a point..

when a Chinese "Think Tank" abuses Historical facts,I think one should take a note..please read his post and say whether his "India didn't exist back then" suits for a "Think Tank"??I think one should take make this kind of comment "Liable for Infraction"..Because this kind of very comments send a thread to the gutter.

Then you should correct him with your own facts. That's the nature of debate. Calling people names is what actually descends such important to the gutter.