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Uri terror attack aftermath: India is never going to compare itself with Pakistan
By Chetan Bhagat, | Updated: 16 Oct, 2016, 1301 hrs IST

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" No Indian today wants to be associated with it. And this is a major step in the growth of our national self-esteem. It is no longer defined in the context of Pakistan."
Imagine two kids in the same class of an elite school. Both kids come from poor backgrounds and are among the bottom rankers. Both fail often, but the first kid scores a few marks more than the second. The first kid feels good about this — at least he is doing better than the other one. The second kid hates himself, but lives for the occasional moment when he scores more than the first. They are both losers, but are happy to compare themselves with each other and somehow feel better.

However, things change over time. The first student gets better in studies. He even reaches the top 10 in class. Meanwhile, the second student gets worse in academics. The second student also joins a gang of bullies and starts taking drugs.

One day, realization dawns on the first student. He no longer wants to compare himself with this second student. The second student, whom he revelled in beating once, now disgusts him. The first student now only wants to emulate toppers.

In the analogy above, the first student is India; the second is Pakistan. Ever since Independence, we have loved to compare ourselves with Pakistan. It helped us deal with our third-world status in the world. At least we were better than Pakistan. We tookPakistan seriously. Even as Pakistan never really built itself into a real country (it had a military coup a decade after Independence, and then split up into two pieces a decade after), we legitimized it. Pakistan was a failed state to begin with, but India needed it around. It helped our politics: “At least we are better off than Pakistan” is a rhetoric that worked for Indians for a long time.

And then, something snapped. The Uri attack became the proverbial last straw, and India grew up overnight. We finally realized our self-worth. We understood that comparing ourselves to a student who comes last in class and is a certified bully is just not worth it.


India is today the fastest-growing economy in the world. We have a functioning capital market, legal system, skilled labour force, large consumer base and democracy. We would be stupid to not focus on that. Keeping the idea of Pakistan alive just to feel better about ourselves doesn’t make sense anymore.

Pakistan was doomed from the start — a haphazard creation of a belligerent Muslimleader who preyed on the fears of the Muslim population. The British, hurt after WWII and in a hurry to leave, couldn’t care less. Pakistan was created with one main thought — fear of India’s Hindus. It was essentially a giant refugee camp born out of irrational fear. Of course, such a setup was unlikely to create a strong country. It never did. Also, since Pakistan was carved out in a hurry, they never had the central structures like India did (such as IAS, IPS, etc) to run the country. Adding to its misfortune, the founder died within a year of its creation, leaving behind a leadership void and chaos. The army eventually took over, and things became worse — and have been ever since.

Indians might say we never liked Pakistan. However, India legitimized it the most, by inviting regime after regime for talks. Making things worse was our politics. It is still believed in some circles that India’s Muslim vote bank does not want India to act tough against Pakistan. So Indian leaders wooed Pakistan, in a bid to woo the Muslim vote bank at home.

But it has all changed with the Uri attack, the tipping point. Indians — Hindus, Muslims or otherwise — no longer feel sympathy for Pakistan. In fact, they feel disgust. Which country kills innocent people of other countries on a routine basis? Only Pakistan. No Indian today wants to be associated with it. And this is a major step in the growth of our national self-esteem. It is no longer defined in the context of Pakistan. That is setting our standard so low, it is almost an insult.

India’s lack of dependence on Pakistan will hurt the latter most. For India is no longer interested in legitimizing Pakistan. This will mean faster disintegration of that country, barring a rare scenario where Pakistan’s regime and its radical elements, both turn over a new leaf. One feels bad for sane Pakistanis. In a land ruled by guns, they are powerless. Maybe the need of the hour there is the rise of a pro-India party. It may be against Pakistan’s DNA, but might be exactly what the doctor ordered.

However, the chances of Pakistan fixing itself are rather remote. And if it doesn’t, the country could end up having to split again. It seems Pakistan’s karmic curse, where they caused a great nation to split once, is never going leave them.

We, on the other hand, should congratulate ourselves as a nation. Not just for standing up to Pakistan or for the surgical strikes, but for finally growing up as a nation and realizing our own value.
https://www.google.com/amp/m.econom...istan/amp_articleshow/54877061.cms#pt0-906192

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@SpArK @Irfan Baloch I think our PDF members will clear some points that whether the Pakistan have our Civil Service equivalent like IAS,IPS etc

Posted here to avoid troll attempts .
The author was Chetan Bhagat.

P.S : I would say the tipping point was 26/11 not Uri attack .
 
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Nothing much to add but in my opinion the tipping point was the day Pakistan came into existence, thus the continuous hatred and attempts to destroy it.
You can disagree of course.

There was undoubtedly a bigoted element that resented the creation of Pakistan right at the outset, and the rest of us were appalled by them. That was not the tipping point. The tipping point was when they came to power the third time, and one of the routine Pakistani atrocities was picked up by them to show their machismo and their readiness to leap to the defence of the country. Having made loud proclamations of their greater spirit and fortitude in facing up to hostile attacks, when there were such hostile attacks at Pathankot and at Uri in quick succession, they found themselves trapped in a trap of their own making. Fortunately, the Army came to their rescue, and did what the Army has always done: get even somewhere else. The difference was that these cynical people picked up that operation and trumpeted it from the rooftops as a unique occurrence. As a political initiative. Now we may expect every counter-attack by the Army to be hailed by them, led by the propaganda monster who is a minister. That is the difference between then and now.
 
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India is like a drama queen which claims that her six kids are little angels but next door's single child is a devil.
Publishing self praising articles is good on paper but the reality is while India seeks it'self to match with likes of China, it's obsession remains with Pakistan.....in almost every field.
 
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India is like a drama queen which claims that her six kids are little angels but next door's single child is a devil.
Publishing self praising articles is good on paper but the reality is while India seeks it'self to match with likes of China, it's obsession remains with Pakistan.....in almost every field.

"Obsession" : A Word used by a Person who Always , Searches and Makes attempts to post "Something Negative" about India ! How Ironic !

As far as "Paper Reality" Comparision is concerned, The Litmus test suggests :

1.Its True, India and Pakistan have similar issues in the Areas of Education, Poverty and Corruption
2. India is now a 2 Trillion Economy with 8% Growth , hence money is being spent in Billions fro Sanitation , Education , health care ( Though the Target is still far far away ).
3. India is Spending HUGE amounts over Defence

As far as Pakistan is concerned, 2 & 3 are a Distant Dream due to this :

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1199751/govt-missed-imf-external-debt-targets-14-billion/
 
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Nothing much to add but in my opinion the tipping point was the day Pakistan came into existence, thus the continuous hatred and attempts to destroy it.
You can disagree of course.

Of Course .I would disagree.
Main reason was that herculean efforts did by the Vajpayee ,his predecessors and also until 2008 by Manmohan Singh.
And one ,one year PM IK Gujral ,who foolishly dismantled all our intel assets .


If we had that much hate to destroy you ,such things wouldnt happen no matter what
 
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"Obsession" : A Word used by a Person who Always , Searches and Makes attempts to post "Something Negative" about India ! How Ironic !

As far as "Paper Reality" Comparision is concerned, The Litmus test suggests :

1.Its True, India and Pakistan have similar issues in the Areas of Education, Poverty and Corruption
2. India is now a 2 Trillion Economy with 8% Growth , hence money is being spent in Billions fro Sanitation , Education , health care ( Though the Target is still far far away ).
3. India is Spending HUGE amounts over Defence

As far as Pakistan is concerned, 2 & 3 are a Distant Dream due to this :

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1199751/govt-missed-imf-external-debt-targets-14-billion/
And what to say about an individual who is comparing articles posted on social media with that of the policy of his country.
You can claim all you want , be it your Mars mission or the billion dollars defence spending, at the end of the day, the Indian giant come crashing down and hits the dust with a simple strike from Pakistan.... no punt intended.

India calls U.S. envoy, protests F-16 sale to Pakistan
 
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When you grow out of something you don't keep reminding yourself about that....you just move on !

Again I will start believing that when I see less Bharatis here or on the Dawn/Tribune comment section.

You have some points there .
Except if GoI reacts then it concerns our national security .

And what to say about an individual who is comparing articles posted on social media with that of the policy of his country.
You can claim all you want , be it your Mars mission or the billion dollars defence spending, at the end of the day, the Indian giant come crashing down and hits the dust with a simple strike from Pakistan.... no punt intended.

India calls U.S. envoy, protests F-16 sale to Pakistan

Stay on topic

There was undoubtedly a bigoted element that resented the creation of Pakistan right at the outset, and the rest of us were appalled by them. That was not the tipping point. The tipping point was when they came to power the third time, and one of the routine Pakistani atrocities was picked up by them to show their machismo and their readiness to leap to the defence of the country. Having made loud proclamations of their greater spirit and fortitude in facing up to hostile attacks, when there were such hostile attacks at Pathankot and at Uri in quick succession, they found themselves trapped in a trap of their own making. Fortunately, the Army came to their rescue, and did what the Army has always done: get even somewhere else. The difference was that these cynical people picked up that operation and trumpeted it from the rooftops as a unique occurrence. As a political initiative. Now we may expect every counter-attack by the Army to be hailed by them, led by the propaganda monster who is a minister. That is the difference between then and now.

I have few doubts there ,Sir .

You have said that they came third time and we are appalled by that .But, wouldnt they take maximum effort for a peace with Pakistan?
Even ridiculously invited their agencies to gather the evidences fotlr Pathankot !.

Army did an ops but ultimately it was GoI responsibility and they were the one that take all the risks.Right?

And I agree with you especially with that anti soldier dumb Manohar Parrikar.Chest tumping was intolerable

Nothing much to add but in my opinion the tipping point was the day Pakistan came into existence, thus the continuous hatred and attempts to destroy it.
You can disagree of course.

Sirji ,
What is designation of Civil Service equivalent in Pakistan?
 
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You have some points there .
Except if GoI reacts then it concerns our national security .



Stay on topic



I have few doubts there ,Sir .

You said they came third time and we are appalled by that .But, wouldnt they take maximum effort for a peace with Pakistan?
Even ridiculously invited their agencies to gather the evidences of Pathankot !.[/quote]

You are right, the Modi regime did its best to bring about a peaceful and reasonable dialogue. It failed utterly, as every initiative for peace has failed so far. Unlike the preceding efforts, however, this administration is at root quick to see action as the best option, rather than dialogue. So after their stressful effort failed, they lost their patience and withdrew from dialogue and discussion.

Army did an ops but ultimately it was GoI responsibility and they were the one that take all the risks.Right?

It was so earlier too. We are ultimately not aware of the numerous occasions on which there have been cross-border clashes. If you were to see close-up topographical maps of the region, you would understand: nothing can stop either side from going across.

And I agree with you especially with that anti soldier dumb Manohar Parrikar.Chest tumping was intolerable

What an idiot!



Sirji ,
What is designation of Civil Service equivalent in Pakistan?

CSP, I believe.
 
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I have few doubts there ,Sir .

You said they came third time and we are appalled by that .But, wouldnt they take maximum effort for a peace with Pakistan?
Even ridiculously invited their agencies to gather the evidences of Pathankot !.

You are right, the Modi regime did its best to bring about a peaceful and reasonable dialogue. It failed utterly, as every initiative for peace has failed so far. Unlike the preceding efforts, however, this administration is at root quick to see action as the best option, rather than dialogue. So after their stressful effort failed, they lost their patience and withdrew from dialogue and discussion.



It was so earlier too. We are ultimately not aware of the numerous occasions on which there have been cross-border clashes. If you were to see close-up topographical maps of the region, you would understand: nothing can stop either side from going across.



What an idiot!





CSP, I believe.[/QUOTE]

He has good academic background .
A Btech degree from IIT but sometimes when I see his comments I think our former DM was some what better ,at least in dealing the media and public .

CSP .
Are they good ,similar like our IAS guys ?
 
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Nothing much to add but in my opinion the tipping point was the day Pakistan came into existence, thus the continuous hatred and attempts to destroy it.
You can disagree of course.

By most historical account, until 1965, India and Pakistan had open border. And the level of hatred was almost none. 1965 war changed a lot. Borders became tight after that...with borders becoming tighter as time passed...Indians started forgetting how a Pakistani looks like and Pakistanis started forgetting how an Indian look like. With media only the medium for knowing each other, people started growing intense hatred for each other. If you ask a common Indian on the street about Pakistan. The most common reaction would be that Pakistan is a stone age country run by terrorists. I am sure Pakistanis must have an image of India being mired with poverty and disease.
 
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