Unundidenfied aircrafts bombed Tripoli, Libya in early hours..

[Falcon29]

General Haftar is a good man and Libya's best bet.

You clearly know nothing about the situation in Libya.

 

[flamer84]

You clearly know nothing about the situation in Libya.

I know Haftar aims to crush the lunatic jihadists and that allready makes him a good future leader for Libya.Don't hold against him the fact that he's Langley "educated".

 

[Falcon29]

I know Haftar aims to crush the lunatic jihadists and that allready makes him a good future leader for Libya.Don't hold against him the fact that he's Langley "educated".

Like I said, you're an emotional psuedo-Christian who has no sense of reality except the 'reality' of kill damned Muslims blah blah blah.There's no such thing as 'Jihadists' in Libya. You also have your definition of 'jihadists' which has no relevance to reality. It's personal Western bigoty method.

This is why I don't bother responding to you.

 

[flamer84]

Like I said, you're an emotional psuedo-Christian who has no sense of reality except the 'reality' of kill damned Muslims blah blah blah.There's no such thing as 'Jihadists' in Libya. You also have your definition of 'jihadists' which has no relevance to reality. It's personal Western bigoty method.

This is why I don't bother responding to you.

But you are responding to me.Haftar is a muslim to,understand that.

 

[Falcon29]

But you are responding to me.Haftar is a muslim to,understand that.

ZZZzzzzzzzzz

 

[Ceylal]

That's funny since Egypt and Algeria are cooperating on every level (both militarily and politically) in regards to Libya since Elsisi's visit to Algeria. The way I'm framing Libya is the way Libya is, several militias fighting each other and the state for greater power, be they Islamist, or secular. All the articles you posted claim Egypt is helping Haftar and you have claimed it before and now.

The geostrategic rapprochement between the two countries made a lot of unhappy countries in the mena region. Egypt and Algeria have to protect themselves from the Libyan chaos. The Hamamet (Tunisia) conference delineated the role of each attendee. Egypt and Algeria were given the political and the security role. And as far we know now , both are at work with the task at hand.

To go back to subject..
Mohammed Mansour, an Egyptian specialist of military affair wrote wrote day ago

ليس من عادتى التعليق على اى حدث عسكرى لا املك معطيات كاملة عنه ، لكن الغارات التى حدثت مساء اول امس فى عدة مناطق فى ليبيا غالبا نفذتها قاذفات سوخوى 24 جزائرية لكن لا يمكن بالقطع الجزم بأن هذا النوع تحديدا هو من نفذ الغارات لكن استخدامه منطقى نظرا لقدرة هذا الطراز على تنفيذ الطلعات الليلية ، هذا التحليل ان كان صحيحا فأنه يعد اول دليل على صحة ما تحدثت عنه منذ ايام حول بدء عمليات غرفة عسكرية مشتركة تم تشكيلها بين مصر و الجزائر لمواجهة تداعيات الوضع الليبى و الذى كانت القوات الجوية المصرية سباقة فى الأنخراط فيه بتنفيذها عدد من الطلعات

MK83 on AAF MIG23 late 80's

A recovered piece of the missile used in Libya

This piece can come one of these two, That AAF is the only force known to have them beside South Africa.
The Umbani

The raptor

 

[Frogman]

Algeria had those kits in the late 80's...And Egypt does not have night fighting capabilities, as those conducted a 2am, extremely precise, no civilian casualties reported. Beside Algerian FS are known to have operated recently south of Zinten. Those aircrafts are Algerians.

Egypt doesn't have night fighting capabilities? you must be joking.

Routine Canal patrol by Egyptian F-16's there's a HD version in the Egyptian Armed Force's thread.

Night live fire combined arms exercise Nasr-9

To go back to subject..
Mohammed Mansour, an Egyptian specialist of military affair wrote wrote day ago

ليس من عادتى التعليق على اى حدث عسكرى لا املك معطيات كاملة عنه ، لكن الغارات التى حدثت مساء اول امس فى عدة مناطق فى ليبيا غالبا نفذتها قاذفات سوخوى 24 جزائرية لكن لا يمكن بالقطع الجزم بأن هذا النوع تحديدا هو من نفذ الغارات لكن استخدامه منطقى نظرا لقدرة هذا الطراز على تنفيذ الطلعات الليلية ، هذا التحليل ان كان صحيحا فأنه يعد اول دليل على صحة ما تحدثت عنه منذ ايام حول بدء عمليات غرفة عسكرية مشتركة تم تشكيلها بين مصر و الجزائر لمواجهة تداعيات الوضع الليبى و الذى كانت القوات الجوية المصرية سباقة فى الأنخراط فيه بتنفيذها عدد من الطلعات

MK83 on AAF MIG23 late 80's

A recovered piece of the missile used in Libya

This piece can come one of these two, That AAF is the only force known to have them beside South Africa.
The Umbani

The raptor

Then your air force may have carried it out as well, however, the reports are that F-16s were used and not anything Russian or Soviet.

 

[Ceylal]

Egypt doesn't have night fighting capabilities? you must be joking.

No, I am not...You don't have night capabilities for pinpoint accuracy strike.

the reports are that F-16s were used and not anything Russian or Soviet.

it was at 2 am in the morning, how do they know that they were F16...Beside if they were F16 Egyptians, they need at some point to be refueled to return to their home base. EAF, doesn't have tankers and I sincerely doubt that your F16 are equipped to be air refueled due to her proximity to Israel.
The Tripoli attack has all the marking of the SU24 and the Raptor II missile.
Anyhow the problem is not who did what, the real problem is both countries and Tunisia have to deal with any revenge attack from the Libyan milicias. They are rumors that they preparing to make a move against the three borders as cited by a the arabic newspaper echorouk...

 

[Frogman]

No, I am not...You don't have night capabilities for pinpoint accuracy strike.

You seriously are. Any F-16 carrying a targeting pod and any guided munition can carry out a accurate strike in any condition. In Egypt's case our F-16's can be armed with the Paveway family of laser guided munitions or GBU-32 Joint Direct Attack Munition, and the Sniper Advanced Targeting Pod. All of which means Egyptian F-16's are able to carry out accurate attacks on any ground target be it day or night, the EAF also has the same or at least similar capabilities on its Mirage 2K and Mirage-III HORUS.

it was at 2 am in the morning, how do they know that they were F16...Beside if they were F16 Egyptians, they need at some point to be refueled to return to their home base. EAF, doesn't have tankers and I sincerely doubt that your F16 are equipped to be air refueled due to her proximity to Israel.

The strikes presumably illuminated the night sky, either way, all I have said is that these 3 or 4 air forces are strong possibilities and are capable of carrying out these strikes.

Flight distance from Mersa Matruh to Tripoli is 1334 Kilometers, the max range (max range is the range of an aircraft with its armament, external and internal fuel) of an F-16 is around 3900 Kilometers, meaning EAF F-16's could have made the round
trip comfortably.

All Egyptian F-16's can be air refueled, as can our Mirage 2K and Mirage III Horus. There are numerous photos on the internet of Egyptian fighters air refueling, a simple search would have told you that.

You continue to show your ignorance on the Egyptian Armed Forces and military matters in general.

Any movement by Libyan militias on Algerian/Tunisian troops or borders will not go well for them.

 

[Mosamania]

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Algeria had those kits in the late 80's...And Egypt does not have night fighting capabilities, as those conducted a 2am, extremely precise, no civilian casualties reported. Beside Algerian FS are known to have operated recently south of Zinten. Those aircrafts are Algerians.

Egypt does not have night fighting capability? are you serious? I'll let My Man Frogman here teach you a lesson.

Edit: It appears he already did.

 

[Ceylal]

Egypt does not have night fighting capability? are you serious? I'll let My Man Frogman here teach you a lesson.

Edit: It appears he already did.

No, They don't! Their F16 don't have the range or the refueling probe, to be able to fly to Tripoli and return to their home base. Even if they have drop tanks, it won't be enough...Remember the attack on Ozirak, the IDF equipped with drop tanks had to refuel their F16 on the way back and Baghdad is lot closer to Tel aviv, than Tripoli is to the closest Egyptian Air force base.
EAF's F16 are equipment degraded because Egypt proximity to Israel.

In the MENA region, there is two capable air forces, is the Israel's and Algeria's.

 

[Frogman]

No, They don't! Their F16 don't have the range or the refueling probe, to be able to fly to Tripoli and return to their home base. Even if they have drop tanks, it won't be enough...Remember the attack on Ozirak, the IDF equipped with drop tanks had to refuel their F16 on the way back and Baghdad is lot closer to Tel aviv, than Tripoli is to the closest Egyptian Air force base.
EAF's F16 are equipment degraded because Egypt proximity to Israel.

In the MENA region, there is two capable air forces, is the Israel's and Algeria's.

Wrong again!

The distance between Israeli military bases and the reactor site was significant—over 1,600 km (990 mi).[50] The Israeli planes would have to violate Jordanian and/or Saudi airspace in a covert flight over foreign territory, making mid-air refueling unfeasible.[36][51][52] The Israelis eventually concluded that a squadron of heavily fueled and heavily armed F-16As, with a group of F-15As to provide air cover and fighter support, could perform a surgical strike to eliminate the reactor site without having to refuel.[53]

Operation Opera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again:-


Flight distance from Mersa Matruh to Tripoli is 1334 Kilometers, the max range (max range is the range of an aircraft with its armament, external and internal fuel) of an F-16 is around 3900 Kilometers, meaning EAF F-16's could have made the round
trip comfortably.

You're even wrong on how far away the Israeli's target was compared to Tripoli, you have no leg to stand on here.

 

[Ceylal]

Wrong again!

The distance between Israeli military bases and the reactor site was significant—over 1,600 km (990 mi).[50] The Israeli planes would have to violate Jordanian and/or Saudi airspace in a covert flight over foreign territory, making mid-air refueling unfeasible.[36][51][52] The Israelis eventually concluded that a squadron of heavily fueled and heavily armed F-16As, with a group of F-15As to provide air cover and fighter support, could perform a surgical strike to eliminate the reactor site without having to refuel.[53]

Operation Opera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again:-


Flight distance from Mersa Matruh to Tripoli is 1334 Kilometers, the max range (max range is the range of an aircraft with its armament, external and internal fuel) of an F-16 is around 3900 Kilometers, meaning EAF F-16's could have made the round
trip comfortably.

You're even wrong on how far away the Israeli's target was compared to Tripoli, you have no leg to stand on here.

I guessed, I didn't measure it or google it. Depending where Egyptian base they fly from, it seems longer.

You are quoting wikipedia (a non-source) and I am quoting one the commander of the "raid" who wrote a book...They had to be refuelled at the Saudi-Jordan border...to get their home base

No really, during take off with the weight of the weapon, the F16 on afterburner to reach the cruising altitude would have consumed the fuel in the external tanks.If it is flying low, the fuel consumption would be worse. For those plane to return safely they had to be refueled or land at a base near the Libyan border. The number you are giving are probably for a clean craft.

 

[Ceylal]

You seriously are. Any F-16 carrying a targeting pod and any guided munition can carry out a accurate strike in any condition. In Egypt's case our F-16's can be armed with the Paveway family of laser guided munitions or GBU-32 Joint Direct Attack Munition, and the Sniper Advanced Targeting Pod. All of which means Egyptian F-16's are able to carry out accurate attacks on any ground target be it day or night, the EAF also has the same or at least similar capabilities on its Mirage 2K and Mirage-III HORUS.

I am not talking about the F16 capabilities and weapon system in general, I am talking about the EAF's , that capability didn't come with them because of your proximity to Israel. I am in no way diminishing the strength of the Egyptian airforce or the experience of it pilots.

 

[IR1907]

Like I said, you're an emotional psuedo-Christian who has no sense of reality except the 'reality' of kill damned Muslims blah blah blah.There's no such thing as 'Jihadists' in Libya. You also have your definition of 'jihadists' which has no relevance to reality. It's personal Western bigoty method.

This is why I don't bother responding to you.

Libya has no Jihadists ? What the .... !! ?

You knew that these Jihadists were used by the Western powers to topple the Qadaffi government ?

Libya is now full of stinking terrorist Jihadis who have very similar views as ISIS.