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Infighting among North Waziristan groups could provide opening for Pakistani army

By Associated Press, Updated: Thursday, April 28, 9:49 AM
PESHAWAR, Pakistan — Crumbling unity among militants could provide the Pakistan army an opening to conduct a limited offensive against a particularly vicious Taliban group in a strategic tribal region, according to analysts and a senior military official.

The target of such an operation in North Waziristan would be the most violent factions within the so-called Pakistani Taliban. Their leader, Hakimullah Mehsud, is believed to be increasingly isolated after executing a prominent former Pakistani official over the objections of senior militant leaders.

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PESHAWAR: Crumbling unity among militants could provide the Pakistan army an opening to conduct a limited offensive against a particularly vicious Taliban group in a strategic tribal region, according to analysts and a senior military official.

The target of such an operation in North Waziristan would be the most violent factions within the so-called Pakistani Taliban. Their leader, Hakimullah Mehsud, is believed to be increasingly isolated after executing a prominent former Pakistani official over the objections of senior militant leaders.

Although Mehsud has been linked to attacks in neighbouring Afghanistan, his main focus appears to be in plotting carnage elsewhere in Pakistan. And that makes him a prime target for the army.

Washington has long urged the Pakistanis to launch an operation in North Waziristan, a region overrun by an assortment of militant groups including al Qaeda. Most US drone strikes in Pakistan take place in North Waziristan.

Already there are more than 30,000 soldiers in North Waziristan, and some analysts say the Pakistani army could quickly redeploy to the area. The army has 140,000 soldiers in the tribal regions that border Afghanistan

The Pakistanis, however, are unlikely to target the Haqqani group, which the US considers its greatest enemy in Afghanistan. US Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, complained last week that Pakistan’s secret service maintains links to the Haqqani network. The Haqqanis are Afghan Taliban who control parts of eastern Afghanistan and have bases in North Waziristan.

If the Haqqanis and other militant groups in North Waziristan cooperate with a military assault against the Pakistani Taliban, that would give the army more options.

The fissures among the militants were laid bare in February, when Mehsud released a gruesome video that confirmed the shooting death of former Pakistani spy Sultan Amir Tarar, better known as Col. Imam, according to a senior Pakistan army officer who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

As Pakistan’s consul general in Afghanistan’s Kandahar province during the Taliban’s rule, Imam was the conduit for money and weapons to the religious movement. A former Pakistani intelligence officer, Imam met regularly with Afghan Taliban’s reclusive leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar. Imam was known to have kept contact with leading Taliban in hiding in Pakistan since the US-led coalition ousted them from power in Afghanistan in 2001.

Mehsud’s group had held Imam for 10 months. The killing confounded Pakistani military officials. They had long believed the Haqqanis held sway over the myriad of groups — including militants from Uzbekistan, Chechnya and the Middle East — operating in North Waziristan.

“We always thought that the Afghan Taliban had a sway over these groups, but Col. Imam’s killing shows that no one is in control of anyone there,” he said. “His death was a shock for us.”

Taliban members who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they feared being arrested said Mullah Omar made a personal plea for Imam’s life. Also requesting that Imam’s life be spared was Sirajuddin Haqqani, a key leader of the Haqqani group.

The senior military official said Mehsud defied Mullah Omar and Sirajuddin Haqqani and went ahead with the execution after the government and army refused his demands to free several of his imprisoned men.

Not only that, Mehsud boasted on a jihadi website about the killing, according to the SITE Intelligence Group. The same website carried an Urdu language condemnation of Mehsud’s organisation, calling those behind the execution “beasts” and “ignoble killers,” SITE said.

The divisions that Imam’s death revealed among the militant groups could provide an opportunity for the army to hit hard at insurgents in the North Waziristan town of Mir Ali, where Mehsud set up bases after fleeing last year’s military assault on his headquarters in neighbouring South Waziristan, according to Mahmood Shah, a retired army brigadier and former security point-man for the government in the tribal regions.

Mir Ali is about 20 miles from the town of Miramshah, where the Haqqanis are based.

Tribal elders from North Waziristan, all of whom were too afraid to talk on the record, fearing retribution from militants, said the landscape in their home region has undergone massive upheavals since the army operation in South Waziristan.

They said Mehsud and his men were among the most troublesome of the militants, largely because of their affiliation with criminal gangs.

Mehsud and his followers are also among the richest, having accumulated wealth through kidnappings for ransom, thefts and extortion, said a tribal elder from Shawal district of North Waziristan.

Mehsud’s close affiliation with Lashkar-i-Janghvi, a Punjab-based Sunni Muslim militant group blamed for dozens of attacks against minority Shia Muslims, has also provided him with a reservoir of suicide bombers. They have carried out dozens of attacks throughout Pakistan and in Afghanistan.

US officials who did not want to be identified because of the sensitivity of the subject said the Jordanian suicide bomber who killed six CIA operatives in Afghanistan’s Khost province in December 2009 was trained by Lashkar-i-Janghvi’s Qari Hussain, who was also a member of Mehsud’s group. Hussain was killed in a drone attack but was quickly replaced by a cousin and fellow tribesman of Mehsud’s.

Mehsud has overseen the Pakistani Taliban ever since his predecessor, Baitullah Mehsud, was killed in a CIA missile strike on August 5, 2009. Hakimullah Mehsud is affiliated with the Taliban’s most violent factions and has survived US and Pakistani attempts on his life.

In recent years the United States has identified Mir Ali as the site of a reconstituted al Qaeda. Also on the run in Mir Ali is Ilyas Kashmiri, a confidante of Mehsud’s. The United States this month put a $5 million bounty on Kashmiri’s head.

Unity among North Waziristan militant groups crumbles | Pakistan | DAWN.COM
 
Fascinating. So DAWN reports that " ...Imam was known to have kept contact with leading Taliban in hiding in Pakistan since the US-led coalition ousted them from power in Afghanistan in 2001...".

"The fissures among the militants were laid bare in February...according to a senior Pakistan army officer who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject...The killing confounded Pakistani military officials. They had long believed the Haqqanis held sway over the myriad of groups — including militants from Uzbekistan, Chechnya and the Middle East — operating in North Waziristan.

'We always thought that the Afghan Taliban had a sway over these groups, but Col. Imam’s killing shows that no one is in control of anyone there...His death was a shock for us.'”


Of course, there are no afghan taliban in Pakistan according to our esteemed administrator here, A.M.

"Where's the proof?":rofl:

Gotta love it.

Things would go soooo much easier for all of us here if you guys would simply say,

"O.K. S-2. You're right. We're retaining the afghan taliban and their associates like Haqqani as a dagger to be held against the throat of the current government of Afghanistan and ISAF until you guys let us have our way in Afghanistan. What's "our way"? We want our guys back in control and any Indian there dead.

Now that doesn't mean you should stop sending us money, COIN combat gear, NSG approval, special trade status or anything else just because we're harboring your enemies and gladly helping them kill American soldiers.

It's just bidness, bro."
:angry:
 
Fascinating. So DAWN reports that " ...Imam was known to have kept contact with leading Taliban in hiding in Pakistan since the US-led coalition ousted them from power in Afghanistan in 2001...".

"The fissures among the militants were laid bare in February...according to a senior Pakistan army officer who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject...The killing confounded Pakistani military officials. They had long believed the Haqqanis held sway over the myriad of groups — including militants from Uzbekistan, Chechnya and the Middle East — operating in North Waziristan.

'We always thought that the Afghan Taliban had a sway over these groups, but Col. Imam’s killing shows that no one is in control of anyone there...His death was a shock for us.'”


Of course, there are no afghan taliban in Pakistan according to our esteemed administrator here, A.M.

"Where's the proof?":rofl:
Yes, where is the proof?

'Known to have' implies nothing more than speculation.
Gotta love it.
Of course - what else does the US Establishment have left other than propaganda, lies and people like you willing to clutch at straws to find some excuse for US failures in Afghanistan?

Let us know when the US eliminates the terrorists operating out of sanctuaries in Eastern Afghanistan and carrying out terrorist attacks against Pakistan
Now that doesn't mean you should stop sending us money, COIN combat gear, NSG approval, special trade status or anything else. .
The US started this war and mess and the US needs to pay for the consequences. Absolutely nothing unreasonable in there, keep the money and aid. The rest is completely in sync with US declarations of building a 'long term strategic relationship with Pakistan', declarations on which the US has yet to show any tangible movement.

But perhaps you think US duplicity, deceit and double standards should simply be accepted by other nations.
 
Oh, puhleez A.M.

"'Known to have' implies nothing more than speculation.":blah:

Maybe to those who can barely speak or write english. What's your excuse?

The writer didn't say, "...suspected to have". THAT would be speculation.

Unless you're calling Syed Saleem Shahzad's interview in the Asia Times with Rehman a fabrication you're wrong...again.

Unless you're calling DAWN's article above regarding Colonel Imam and quoting a Pakistani military official you're wrong...again.

Unless you're prepared to call David Rohde's kidnapping and escort through Miram Shah by the Haqqanis a fabrication you're wrong...again.

Unless you're prepared to suggest that when Ahmad Mukhtar references having "destroyed" :disagree: the QUETTA SHURA he actually meant the New Delhi Shura you're wrong...again.

Unless you're prepared to contradict the commentary provided here by your own board members about the utility of your proxy armies you'd be wrong...again.

A waiver from the NSG? Not even the Chinese will carry that ball.:lol:

Turn out the lights when you leave, please. This discussion is finished...again.
 
Turn out the lights when you leave, please. This discussion is finished...again.

It's very obvious that the US administration is using propaganda to malign the Pakistan Army. Mike Mullen accused the Pakistan Army of supporting the Haqqani network, & when Kiyani completely rebuffed that & the ISI intelligence officials asked the US for proof to substantiate their claims, it's gone all too quiet from their side. So it's very obvious that the US government depends on a lot of hearsay & speculation from the Western journalists & think tanks that have no semblance of a proof to support their claims.

You are free to quip, you are free to make baseless accusations against the ISI based on mere speculation, but it just shows you are getting increasingly frustrated at how the events in Afghanistan are transpiring. Petraeus's appointment as CIA's chief clearly shows the inability of Panetta to "pressurize" the Pakistan administration enough. So please save your tears for yourself & try to do the right things on your part, rather than blaming Pakistan for your failures. Read the article below:

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/retsos_ni...ure-in-afghanistan-on-pakistan/#more-16011328
 
Unless you're prepared to call David Rohde's kidnapping and escort through Miram Shah by the Haqqanis a fabrication you're wrong...again.

By the same token, the US is responsible for Qari Zia Rehman that operates out of Kunar & Nuristan, & conducts operations inside Mohmand, Bajaur & Dir. Which is why Mullah Fazlullah's TSNM group has their sanctuaries in Nuristan as well. I don't want to be repeating myself. Close the safe havens in Afghanistan first, & then Pakistan will act accordingly. No need to have unrealistic expectations of Pakistan.
 
Oh, puhleez A.M.

"'Known to have' implies nothing more than speculation.":blah:

Maybe to those who can barely speak or write english. What's your excuse?

The writer didn't say, "...suspected to have". THAT would be speculation.

Unless you're calling Syed Saleem Shahzad's interview in the Asia Times with Rehman a fabrication you're wrong...again.

Unless you're calling DAWN's article above regarding Colonel Imam and quoting a Pakistani military official you're wrong...again.

Unless you're prepared to call David Rohde's kidnapping and escort through Miram Shah by the Haqqanis a fabrication you're wrong...again.

Unless you're prepared to suggest that when Ahmad Mukhtar references having "destroyed" :disagree: the QUETTA SHURA he actually meant the New Delhi Shura you're wrong...again.

Unless you're prepared to contradict the commentary provided here by your own board members about the utility of your proxy armies you'd be wrong...again.

A waiver from the NSG? Not even the Chinese will carry that ball.:lol:

Turn out the lights when you leave, please. This discussion is finished...again.

What people like S-2 don't understand (or don't want to understand) is that the US administration is adept at generating propaganda through the media outlets here. All the reports are based on speculation & hearsay without providing one semblance of proof that implicates the ISI in anyway. Mike Mullen falsely accused the ISI of supporting the Haqqani network, & when ISI officials denied his claims & asked him for his proof, he stayed quiet. The misinformation & propaganda serves to malign the Pakistan administration, coercing it to take actions that are against the security interests of Pakistan.

This is the reality of the situation: the US asks Pakistan to attack the Afghan Taliban. Pakistan refuses to do so, because they are not an imminent threat to them, but they can be if Pakistan attacks them. The US gets angry, & starts generating false propaganda against Pakistan & its alleged double game without one shred of evidence. The western media starts quoting this speculation & hearsay like fact maligning the Pakistani nation. The maligning is used by the West in an attempt to discredit Pakistan & its credibility, as a means of coercing it into action against the Afghan Taliban.
 
"The western media starts quoting this speculation & hearsay like fact maligning the Pakistani nation..."

DAWN is a western media outlet? NATION?

Quetta Shura Exists: Ahmad Mukhtar-NATION Dec. 12, 2009

I'll now await the usual global jewish/zionist media conspiracy theories...:rolleyes:

Of course the Quetta Shura exists, but there is a difference between not attacking someone & actually supporting & aiding someone. While the Pakistani Army does not attack the Quetta Shura as it doesn't threaten the Pakistani state, it can definitely do that if the Pakistan Army attacks them. The Pakistan Army is already in combat against the current imminent threat, the TTP. It does not want to open new fronts, which is precisely what the US wants Pakistan to do. The Western media misconstrues (aka creates false propaganda) this as aiding the Afghan Taliban for Pakistan's strategic interests in Afghanistan, while they have no evidence to back up these claims; in an attempt to tarnish the image of the Pakistan Army & coerce it into action against the Afghan Taliban. The Pakistan Army is responsible for the security of the Pakistani nation, not the US. It is you in fact that are coming up with 'larger-than-life' claims of depicting the ISI as something bigger than it actually is. Kind of like the Zionist conspiracy theorists (I do not believe in any Zionism conspiracies, just to let you know). ;)
 
"'Known to have' implies nothing more than speculation.":blah:

Maybe to those who can barely speak or write english. What's your excuse?
So apparently you fall in the group of those who can 'barely speak or read English, or, more likely, you are as duplicitous and dishonest as your government.

'Known' by whom? Rumor? Gossip? Speculation? I thought so.

The writer didn't say, "...suspected to have". THAT would be speculation.
The writer did not say anything that suggests the comment is anything but speculation.
Unless you're calling Syed Saleem Shahzad's interview in the Asia Times with Rehman a fabrication you're wrong...again.
Again, what about his interview?
Unless you're calling DAWN's article above regarding Colonel Imam and quoting a Pakistani military official you're wrong...again.
Stop distorting the article - the part where the righter mentions 'known to have' is not a direct quote from any Pakistani military official, and even if it was, it would imply second hand information on the part of any individual making that comment i.e. 'speculation, gossip, rumor, innuendo'. Brush up on your English comprehension skills.
Unless you're prepared to call David Rohde's kidnapping and escort through Miram Shah by the Haqqanis a fabrication you're wrong...again.
Pakistan's constraints in NW have been pretty well documented and defended.

Unless you're prepared to suggest that when Ahmad Mukhtar references having "destroyed" :disagree: the QUETTA SHURA he actually meant the New Delhi Shura you're wrong...again.
Mukhtar's reference that you cling to as the proverbial 'drowning man clutching at straws' has also been debunked and explained, several times.

Unless you're prepared to contradict the commentary provided here by your own board members about the utility of your proxy armies you'd be wrong...again.
No idea what you are talking about here, nor how it is relevant to the point made in my last post.
A waiver from the NSG? Not even the Chinese will carry that ball.:lol:
At the moment the Chinese don't have to - they are already engaged in nuclear trade with Pakistan. We can talk about the Chinese position on an NSG exemption for Pakistan when:
(1) The Chinese openly oppose an NSG exemption for Pakistan like the US has done.
(2) The US agrees to an NSG exemption for Pakistan, and the matter comes up for a vote in the NSG
 
'Known to have'? What kind of ridiculous argument is that? Iraq was also known to have WMDs as far as the US and the west was concerned. You need to provide solid proof rather than conjectures.
 
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