Unanswered Israeli Air Strikes Against Syria Raise S-400 Questions

[-SINAN-]

This claim is false and illogical eitherway.


They just don't want sales to plummit after S-400 and S-300 get humiliated.

Well, their logic might be true about S-400, who knows but definitely not for S-300 when Syria has 24 launchers.

Israel never hit SAA.

And we are not in Syria.

 

[Mithridates]

Still makes no sense. So it is okay to fire with all other AD systems but not S-300 and S-400...what's logic behind that.

when Iran flew a drone inside Israel and they responded then it's f-16 brought down, they did heavily strike SAA positions alongside with ours. so right now SAA only fires on their munitions not planes. that is why Syria,Iran and Russia insist to make Syria a country again (politically talking) and avoid retaliations and escalations.
right now syria mostly uses it's tor-m and pantsirs not long range weapons.

 

[ÇölKaplanı]

I know the Israelis are thrilled with their F-35s.

Turkey, on the other hand, are absolute imbeciles for going with S-400s when you could have had the dominant F-35.

Yes, if I was in charge I'd go for the F-35 as well, but S-400 here is not the problem; we couldn't get our F-35s even if we gave up on the S-400s. And even tho I criticize the S-400 deal quite a lot, they are obviously not as junk as we may think so. In the end it doesn't seem like a problem since the Americans and the Israelis are allowed to use them in Syria and Iraq quite a lot...

 

[Mithridates]

Why bring the S-300 and S-400 into Syria then?
ISIS has no airforce, they're clearly meant for airforces like Israel and Turkey.

trying to scare Israel and then turkey, possibly trying to make deterrence against NATO.

 

[Philosopher]

Syria has 3 Battalions of S-300, in total 24 launchers, approximately 100 missiles according to Russians.
https://tass.com/defense/1025020

I mean Syrian Arab Army has S-300. So, some guys saying Syria never used S-300 although it got hit by Israel for 200 times.....

Sorry, but this sounds like a pure propaganda. Similar to what we heard when TB-2s decimated Russian ADs both in Libya and Syria.

Like I said earlier, these are apparently under the control of the Russians. I do not see any evidence of these systems being used by the Syrian Arab Army. Unless you can show me incidents where these S-300 were used but failed then I fail to see what your line of logic is here.

 

[-SINAN-]

Like I said earlier, these are apparently under the control of the Russians. I do not see any evidence of these systems being used by the Syrian Arab Army.

You have also S-300 in your country...are they being controlled by Russians?

To clarify, i'm buying some weapon from another country to protect myself (S-300) instead of using it myself, i'm not using it and giving it's control to some other countries soldiers. When being attacked those soldiers refuse to protect me....

It's like Turkey buying F-16 from US and not piloting ourselves. Instead US pilots these planes. When Syrian jets attacks Turkey, US pilots don't engage.

Do you hear yourself? Are you now aware how absurd this sounds...?

This is why i don't discuss with Iranian users on anything... and apparently i made mistake again.

 

[Philosopher]

You have also S-300 in your country...are they being controlled by Russians?

Apples and oranges, we are talking about a specific case here, you're trying to generalise. Context matters in these discussions.

To clarify, i'm buying some weapon from another country to protect myself (S-300) instead of using it myself, i'm not using it and giving it's control to some other countries soldiers. When being attacked those soldiers refuse to protect me....

The arrival of the S-300 could have been part of an agreement. You are assuming Syrians were given full control of that system in all cases.

Do you hear yourself? Are you now aware how absurd this sounds...?

You create your own assumption and then debunk those own assertion then claim the people that did not even make those claims are sounding absurd. This is the definition of a strawman argument.

This is why i don't discuss with Iranian users on anything... and apparently i made mistake again.

Let me simply this further. If the Syrians are/were in control of the S-300, you would have seen cases of them trying to use this system against the likes of Israelis. We have ample cases of lower tier systems being use by the Syrians but not a single case of the S-300. You are not even putting forward any real case here. Your sole argument appears to be:

1) The Syrians are in full control of the S-300
2) The S-300 has not been used
3) Therefore the S-300 is a propaganda/ineffective system.

Perhaps you do not discuss with Iranians because you are unable to pass your superficial claims from their judgements.

 

[-SINAN-]

Apples and oranges, we are talking about a specific case here, you're trying to generalise. Context matters in these discussions.



The arrival of the S-300 could have been part of an agreement. You are assuming Syrians were given full control of that system in all cases.



You create your own assumption and then debunk those own assertion then claim the people that did not even make those claims are sounding absurd. This is the definition of a strawman argument.



Let me simply this further. If the Syrians are/were in control of the S-300, you would have seen cases of them trying to use this system against the likes of Israelis. We have ample cases of lower tier systems being use by the Syrians but not a single case of the S-300. You are not even putting forward any real case here. Your sole argument appears to be:

1) The Syrians are in full control of the S-300
2) The S-300 has not been used
3) Therefore the S-300 is a propaganda/ineffective system.

Perhaps you do not discuss with Iranians because you are unable to pass your superficial claims from their judgements.

Oh my god....is this a joke or not are you actually believing what you are saying....okay, dude, i'm just gone add you to ignore list, can't waste my time on your delusions.

 

[Mithridates]

You have also S-300 in your country...are they being controlled by Russians?

To clarify, i'm buying some weapon from another country to protect myself (S-300) instead of using it myself, i'm not using it and giving it's control to some other countries soldiers. When being attacked those soldiers refuse to protect me....

It's like Turkey buying F-16 from US and not piloting ourselves. Instead US pilots these planes. When Syrian jets attacks Turkey, US pilots don't engage.

Do you hear yourself? Are you now aware how absurd this sounds...?

This is why i don't discuss with Iranian users on anything... and apparently i made mistake again.

I see now what you mean. it does not matter if it's s-woo,s-400 patriot or anything else. they do not want to provoke any regional power while they are fighting inside of their country.

 

[Philosopher]

Oh my god....is this a joke or not are you actually believing what you are saying....okay, dude, i'm just gone add you to ignore list, can't waste my time on your delusions.

Instead of these rather fruitless replies, perhaps at least attempt to put forward a real case. All I have seen from you are assertions based on your own assumptions. Regardless of who controls the S-300, the fact remains that this system has yet to be used in a theater where many other lower level systems have been used. There is large difference between a system not being used, and one being used and not successful. Hopefully you can appreciate this not so subtle difference.

 

[-SINAN-]

I see now what you mean. it does not matter if it's s-woo,s-400 patriot or anything else. they do not want to provoke any regional power while they are fighting inside of their country.

So, they shoot 1000 missiles with other ADs for what? Okay, i'm done with Assad and Russian Weapon apologists. You are just wasting my time with your absurd logic. Don't waste your time by replying me as i'm gonna add you to my ignore list too.

 

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Fact: Pantsir is designed to protect S-400/300 from cruise missiles.

 

[Philosopher]

So, they shoot 1000 missiles with other ADs for what?

The irony is, you do not even realise by asking this question you are in part countering your own claim that the Syrians are in control of the S-300. Have you tried asking yourself that unless the Syrians are not in control of the S-300, then why would they not be using it when according to your own comment, "they shoot 100 missiles with other ADs"?

 

[925boy]

Syria has 3 Battalions of S-300, in total 24 launchers, approximately 100 missiles according to Russians.
https://tass.com/defense/1025020

I mean Syrian Arab Army has S-300. So, some guys saying Syria never used S-300 although it got hit by Israel for 200 times.....

Sorry, but this sounds like a pure propaganda. Similar to what we heard when TB-2s decimated Russian ADs both in Libya and Syria.

Its not propaganda.

S-300 has many customers, and they havent complained. Iran had all this while to drop the much delayed S300s RUssia supplied IRan and Iran hasnt complained about them. China hasnt complained about its S-400s, India is excitedly waiting for its own S400s. Whats the issue with S300s and S400s in Syria not firing? Russia is blocking them from firing at Israeli jets! THere is some electronic way that Russia either controls the launches, or interferes with launches/decides if launches will occur in Syria currently. This is the same issue with TUrkey's S400...TUrkey's biggest foolish mistake with buying the S400s is that Russia would have installed backdoor hacks to either eavesdrop on transmissions, info etc, or control them or be able to interfere with them. Its not magic - its called interference.

Like I said earlier, these are apparently under the control of the Russians. I do not see any evidence of these systems being used by the Syrian Arab Army. Unless you can show me incidents where these S-300 were used but failed then I fail to see what your line of logic is here.

Agreed!!!! Its obvious that Russia has told Assad and his army not to make negative or suspicious public statements about the S300s in Syria. Russia is the main puppet master in the SYrian war.

You have also S-300 in your country...are they being controlled by Russians?

To clarify, i'm buying some weapon from another country to protect myself (S-300) instead of using it myself, i'm not using it and giving it's control to some other countries soldiers. When being attacked those soldiers refuse to protect me....

It's like Turkey buying F-16 from US and not piloting ourselves. Instead US pilots these planes. When Syrian jets attacks Turkey, US pilots don't engage.

Do you hear yourself? Are you now aware how absurd this sounds...?

This is why i don't discuss with Iranian users on anything... and apparently i made mistake again.

it doesnt sound absurd at all when you accept that Assad wouldnt even BE PRESIDENT(talk less of controlling soldiers or the SAA) without Russian support and help, DESPITE ANY INCONSISTENCIES in Russian support for Assad. in short, beggars cant be chooser,s and thats what your post supports, which is a lie. you live within your current reality. Assad would have been dead or exiled if not for Russia, and Iran, so they can ask anything of him. thats how life goes when you have little leverage.

 

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Its not propaganda.

S-300 has many customers, and they havent complained. Iran had all this while to drop the much delayed S300s RUssia supplied IRan and Iran hasnt complained about them. China hasnt complained about its S-400s, India is excitedly waiting for its own S400s. Whats the issue with S300s and S400s in Syria not firing? Russia is blocking them from firing at Israeli jets! THere is some electronic way that Russia either controls the launches, or interferes with launches/decides if launches will occur in Syria currently. This is the same issue with TUrkey's S400...TUrkey's biggest foolish mistake with buying the S400s is that Russia would have installed backend hacks to either eavesdrop on transmissions, info etc, or control them or be able to interfere with them. Its not magic - its called interference.


Agreed!!!! Its obvious that Russia has told Assad and his army not to make negative or suspicious public statements about the S300s in Syria. Russia is the main puppet master in the SYrian war.


it doesnt sound absurd at all when you accept that Assad wouldnt even BE PRESIDENT(talk less of controlling soldiers or the SAA) without Russian support and help, DESPITE ANY INCONSISTENCIES in Russian support for Assad. in short, beggars cant be chooser,s and thats what your post supports, which is a lie. you live within your current reality. Assad would have been dead or exiled if not for Russia, and Iran, so they can ask anything of him. thats how life goes when you have little leverage.

Kill switch thingy is discussed and rebuked many times in this forum. If you install a kill switch in your platforms you won't be able to sell anything anymore. Not even US does that.... Either come with a logical reasoning (not like that Iranians guys that i blocked) or don't reply.