UN SG offers mediation to help resolve the Kashmir dispute

[Dillinger]

Ok, here goes.. It is a long term plan.. 5 years to the least.
Involves identifying pretty-beautiful(relative to the application) late teenage girls and boys.. making them fanatical for Pakistan.. but at the same time making them dedicated spouses but expert at mind controlling anyone. Then, we wait till Amitabh dies.. India is in mourning..these people should be in their early twenties.. at the peak.. send them across in thousands with flowers...and all.
They go in, they honeytrap key people.. they marry .. create links. Hopefully if all goes well, these controlling spouses would have entire state apparatuses compromised along with family links. Some finer tuning is required.. but I am confident of this idea

I have a better idea from the Indian perspective, wait and watch. That and continue befriending KSA/any other nation which may have certain "links"- find the money route IF any and dump in even more cash into it, if you get my meaning that is. Wouldn't you say that this here is a better plan?

 

[Argus Panoptes]

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“My offer of good office remains available. If both sides think this is useful and both sides agree, then I’ll be ready to offer my good offices,” Ban said in response to a question whether he could help leaders of India and Pakistan resolve the decades-old dispute, which is on the agenda of the UN Security Council............
UN SG offers mediation to help resolve the Kashmir dispute – The Express Tribune

What are the odds that BOTH sides will agree? Zero bata Zero.

 

[Dillinger]

What are the odds that BOTH sides will agree? Zero bata Zero.

Do you know that me and @KingMamba93 at least hashed out a solution that we as leaders would shake on? @Secur witnessed that historic moment.

 

[Secur]

I am well aware of that, you forget that Islamabad stopped its regular tactics for about 6 years or so. Before that we have dealt with this.

Other than that refer to my above post. Furthermore perhaps you have forgotten that Barak Obama himself had to back down from his pre-election claims and remove Kashmir from the Af - Pak brief under Richard Holbrooke. Even when a significantly large amount of our force was deployed on the IB and the LOC due to 26/11- at a quantum greater than even the 2001-2002 scenario. The US of A itself backed out from that one under direct pressure from the GOI even as their whole war effort up west depended on your supply lines. So think again my friend.

Good . Islamabad trusted New Dehli to be serious about settling the issue , once and for all .

No , I did read that post of yours . A diplomatic concession was made to India due to its importance in countering China but if Americans are planning to extend their stay in Afghanistan , they have to please Pakistan as well too . Not significantly large , I would say , but relatively large and not in any way , overshadowing the deployment in Op.Parakram . You really think that Indian Govt can exert pressure on the sole superpower of the world , Dillinger ? Time doesn't remain the same , the dynamics of the region are changing fast , my friend .

Interesting times , we live in , mate .

 

[Iggy]

Ok, here goes.. It is a long term plan.. 5 years to the least.
Involves identifying pretty-beautiful(relative to the application) late teenage girls and boys.. making them fanatical for Pakistan.. but at the same time making them dedicated spouses but expert at mind controlling anyone. Then, we wait till Amitabh dies.. India is in mourning..these people should be in their early twenties.. at the peak.. send them across in thousands with flowers...and all.
They go in, they honeytrap key people.. they marry .. create links. Hopefully if all goes well, these controlling spouses would have entire state apparatuses compromised along with family links. Some finer tuning is required.. but I am confident of this idea

Much like love jihad

 

[SQ8]

I have a better idea from the Indian perspective, wait and watch. That and continue befriending KSA/any other nation which may have certain "links"- find the money route IF any and dump in even more cash into it, if you get my meaning that is. Wouldn't you say that this here is a better plan?

Maybe, but its boring..
I'd rather see Mohabbattien..or rather Fanaa like scenarios

 

[Dillinger]

Good . Islamabad trusted New Dehli to be serious about settling the issue , once and for all .

No , I did read that post of yours . A diplomatic concession was made to India due to its importance in countering China but if Americans are planning to extend their stay in Afghanistan , they have to please Pakistan as well too . Not significantly large , I would say , but relatively large and not in any way , overshadowing the deployment in Op.Parakram . You really think that Indian Govt can exert pressure on the sole superpower of the world , Dillinger ? Time doesn't remain the same , the dynamics of the region are changing fast , my friend .

Interesting times , we live in , mate .

Time indeed doesn't remain the same- and our importance only grows. Yaara the whole US op for the last decade was dependent upon you, pray tell what did you get out of it- drone strikes, Abbotabad, Salala? In fact with reduced troop levels, cessation of participation in combat operations that dependency will ONLY decrease in relative terms as compared to what it was back in 06-08 due to their logistical footprint in the region decreasing vastly.

Secur sahib, we have twisted America's arm many times- even now they are screaming for a liability waver as we cash in on our exemption from the NSG- the very deal they brokered- the one which cost them massive diplomatic capital- and its the Indians, French, Russians and Canadians who are filling their respective pockets as a result as they sit and watch. Unlike Pakistan we know how to cash in our chips.

We have had these escalations on and off- hell we've fought a war after becoming nuclear powers right in Kashmir. Dig up the statements from all the countries during that time and on that topic- even China proclaimed that it was a "bilateral issue" and they wished for hostilities to die down. The hope of transmuting this issue into an international one is forlorn and will remain so as long as we are the wealthier and more influential power.

 

[Dillinger]

Maybe, but its boring..
I'd rather see Mohabbattien..or rather Fanaa like scenarios

Bollywood junkie!

You could always take personal command of the PA and wage a relentless war.

 

[That Guy]

This is clear meddling in our internal affairs. Offer would be obviously rejected.

Kashmir conflict is not really India's internal affair, since Pakistan controls a part of it and most of the issues between the two nations stem from this very same region.

 

[Jango]

Ok, here goes.. It is a long term plan.. 5 years to the least.
Involves identifying pretty-beautiful(relative to the application) late teenage girls and boys.. making them fanatical for Pakistan.. but at the same time making them dedicated spouses but expert at mind controlling anyone. Then, we wait till Amitabh dies.. India is in mourning..these people should be in their early twenties.. at the peak.. send them across in thousands with flowers...and all.
They go in, they honeytrap key people.. they marry .. create links. Hopefully if all goes well, these controlling spouses would have entire state apparatuses compromised along with family links. Some finer tuning is required.. but I am confident of this idea

Are you sure you didn't meet Zaid Hamid in a marriage somewhere? I hope it isn't too cold in Scotland!

The SG is coming today, let's see what he does.

The AJK PM also met today with the UN security personnel.

 

[SQ8]

Are you sure you didn't meet Zaid Hamid in a marriage somewhere? I hope it isn't too cold in Scotland!

The SG is coming today, let's see what he does.

The AJK PM also met today with the UN security personnel.

I did actually meet ZH in Peshawar casually. He is as enthusiastic in casual talk over Pakistan as he is on TV.

 

[Jango]

I did actually meet ZH in Peshawar casually. He is as enthusiastic in casual talk over Pakistan as he is on TV.

He looks a very dedicated guy...

 

[T90TankGuy]

First of all the UN security counsel has not discussed Kashmir in over 4 decades, secondly we are hardly a country who bows down to others when it comes to national interests.
So he can offer what ever he wants but the end result is the same . No one will interfere in this dispute.

 

[ZYXW]

UN is a dummy Organization which has no power to solve any critical issues. Ban Ki Moon is only holding a rubber stamp position. Only Western Power utilizes UN for their own interest.

Perhaps, but an important one!

 

[Secur]

Time indeed doesn't remain the same- and our importance only grows. Yaara the whole US op for the last decade was dependent upon you, pray tell what did you get out of it- drone strikes, Abbotabad, Salala? In fact with reduced troop levels, cessation of participation in combat operations that dependency will ONLY decrease in relative terms as compared to what it was back in 06-08 due to their logistical footprint in the region decreasing vastly.

Secur sahib, we have twisted America's arm many times- even now they are screaming for a liability waver as we cash in on our exemption from the NSG- the very deal they brokered- the one which cost them massive diplomatic capital- and its the Indians, French, Russians and Canadians who are filling their respective pockets as a result as they sit and watch. Unlike Pakistan we know how to cash in our chips.

We have had these escalations on and off- hell we've fought a war after becoming nuclear powers right in Kashmir. Dig up the statements from all the countries during that time and on that topic- even China proclaimed that it was a "bilateral issue" and they wished for hostilities to die down. The hope of transmuting this issue into an international one is forlorn and will remain so as long as we are the wealthier and more influential power.

So , what makes you think that it would remain same for Pakistan ? Please , dont try to convince a convinced man about the ' American friends ' part . You know how much I detest the Pakistani one sided foreign policies since its independence , except for money transfer to numbered accounts in Zurich and messed up country , nothing we have gained . But , it doesn't mean that US didn't have to appease and provide concessions for Pakistan along the way , not enough , but not something that wasn't there . I am not expecting any miracles out of this , I just said that without Islamabad doing anything much , something good is happening to the cause .

Technical arm twisting , make it . Off topic that be , me asking this question . But you got the waiver from the States and other countries are making use of it , somehow ? Really strange , that be . You aren't going ahead with Civil Nuclear Deal thing with the Americans ? I have always admired your foreign policy but that is another thing .

Yes we have , only time will tell , what this results into . Because , not many times , I have seen the UN get involved . The dynamics of the region are changing fast , remember , its getting unpredictable for different thing . I dont see a war , at best a limited scale conflict if this escalation continues . We fought a war after it , sure , but did anybody dare cross the International Border ? The reason is well known . I know the friendship of the so called ' brothers ' , dont convince a convinced man again . As for the last line , you know I do not believe in no-win scenarios