UN says Israel, not Iran, North Korea or Syria worst violator of human rights

[Arminkh]

and some people show their true Identity.

Why am I not surprised?!

 

[gau8av]

lol fox news is mad

they're not angels by any stretch but it's still the best place to live in that region, the mullah countries, all of them are much worse, there's no comparison even.

 

[Arminkh]

lol fox news is mad

they're not angels by any stretch but it's still the best place to live in that region, the mullah countries, all of them are much worse, there's no comparison even.

How do you know? Have you lived there or are only trusting the news that are telling you so?

 

[gau8av]

How do you know? Have you lived there or are only trusting the news that are telling you so?

not lived or even been there but I've known enough Israeli people over the years to have a good idea of it. They definitely have it better in Israel than elsewhere in that area, it really is an oasis in mullah country.

real shame they're supporting the terrorist factions in the many civil wars in the region.

 

[Arminkh]

not lived or even been there but I've known enough Israeli people over the years to have a good idea of it. They definitely have it better in Israel than elsewhere in that area, it really is an oasis in mullah country.

real shame they're supporting the terrorist factions in the many civil wars in the region.

Which mullah country? Are you talking about Lebanon? Syria?

 

[gau8av]

Which mullah country? Are you talking about Lebanon? Syria?

jordan, saudia, iraq, iran etc.. Lebnan, Turkey are ok so far, their people are not that much into religious fascism so far

Israel have an aggressive foreign policy, and it's kind of justified too, even if I don't agree with all of it but the people of Israel still live good free lives compared to the rest in the region.

 

[Azizam]

How do you know? Have you lived there or are only trusting the news that are telling you so?

Use common sense please. In the middle east, only Israel and Lebanon don't discriminate against non-Muslims constitutionally. Life could be harder for muslim in Israel but for a non-muslim, Israel is definitely the best choice. Considering that the culture of Israel is similar to west, at least one can hope that there will be no social discrimination either. Muslim-majority countries on the hand, all discriminate non-Muslims both constitutionally and socially. Given the choice, even those liberal hypocrites would rather live in safe Israel than any of those muslim countries that they are campaigning for.

 

[Arminkh]

Use common sense please. In the middle east, only Israel and Lebanon don't discriminate against non-Muslims constitutionally. Life could be harder for muslim in Israel but for a non-muslim, Israel is definitely the best choice. Considering that the culture of Israel is similar to west, at least one can hope that there will be no social discrimination either. Muslim-majority countries on the hand, all discriminate non-Muslims both constitutionally and socially. Given the choice, even those liberal hypocrites would rather live in safe Israel than any of those muslim countries that they are campaigning for.

Sorry to break it to you, but you neither know anything about the minority in Israel nor about the minority in Iran. If you want to know how it feels to live as a Muslim in Israel controlled areas you should ask the people in Gaza. Last time I checked they were being bombarded. They have been pushed into a small piece of land and have been denied the right to form their own nation. Besides the fact that they are human, I'm not sure where do they fall when it comes to nationality. Isn't that a violation of human rights? As long as they are not allowed to form their own nation, they are considered a citizen of the state that controls them which is Israel. Right now they are being treated as 2nd level ones.

In Iran on the other hand, the minorities are living like the others. They have their own MPs in the congress. Iran has the 2nd largest Jewish community in the middle east. They have fought for Iran and died for Iran like every other Iranian. Many of them are business owners and have gained huge success.

Here is an example of a company owned by one of those minorities. He now has factories even in Italia:

هاکوپیان

Now show me a Muslim owned business in Israel.

 

[Azizam]

Sorry to break it to you, but you neither know anything about the minority in Israel nor about the minority in Iran. If you want to know how it feels to live as a Muslim in Israel controlled areas you should ask the people in Gaza. Last time I checked they were being bombarded. They have been pushed into a small piece of land and have been denied the right to form their own nation. Besides the fact that they are human, I'm not sure where do they fall when it comes to nationality. Isn't that a violation of human rights? As long as they are not allowed to form their own nation, they are considered a citizen of the state that controls them which is Israel. Right now they are being treated as 2nd level ones.

In Iran on the other hand, the minorities are living like the others. They have their own MPs in the congress. Iran has the 2nd largest Jewish community in the middle east. They have fought for Iran and died for Iran like every other Iranian. Many of them are business owners and have gained huge success.

Here is an example of a company owned by one of those minorities. He now has factories even in Italia:

هاکوپیان

Now show me a Muslim owned business in Israel.

Read my comment again.

Life could be harder for muslim in Israel but for a non-muslim, Israel is definitely the best choice.

I don't want to be a hypocrite. Israel is a heaven for non-muslims in a region where non-muslims are frequently discriminated in every possible way. So if I get to live in a middle eastern country, my choice would be Israel without any doubts. Constitution of muslim-majority countries including that of Iran are designed to wipe out non-muslims eventually. Maybe Iran is tolerant towards religious minorities when compared to other Sunni countries in the region. However, Jewish population in Iran decreased significantly after the revolution and if you complain about human rights in Israel, you should take a look at how Bahai are treated in Iran.

 

[Arminkh]

Read my comment again.



I don't want to be a hypocrite. Israel is a heaven for non-muslims in a region where non-muslims are frequently discriminated in every possible way. So if I get to live in a middle eastern country, my choice would be Israel without any doubts. Constitution of muslim-majority countries including that of Iran are designed to wipe out non-muslims eventually. Maybe Iran is tolerant towards religious minorities when compared to other Sunni countries in the region. However, Jewish population in Iran decreased significantly after the revolution and if you complain about human rights in Israel, you should take a look at how Bahai are treated in Iran.

Your choice about where to live is not a measure for which has a better human rights condition. The fact that (as you mentioned) life can be harder for Muslims in Israel is a flaw in human rights condition there.

And guess where I would live I had to choose? Iran. So I guess that would make Iran a heaven too right?

I'm not complaining. I'm just telling everyone that the facts are distorted the way they are presented by media and some of the members here. They are designed in a way to induce the impression that Iran is far worth than Israel when it comes to human rights while facts say otherwise.

Bahais have much better life in Iran compared to that of the Muslims in Gaza.

 

[Azizam]

Your choice about where to live is not a measure for which has a better human rights condition. The fact that (as you mentioned) life can be harder for Muslims in Israel is a flaw in human rights condition there.

And guess where I would live I had to choose? Iran. So I guess that would make Iran a heaven too right?

I'm not complaining. I'm just telling everyone that the facts are distorted the way they are presented by media and some of the members here. They are designed in a way to induce the impression that Iran is far worth than Israel when it comes to human rights while facts say otherwise.

Bahais have much better life in Iran compared to that of the Muslims in Gaza.

And Muslim-majority countries where converting to other religions is forbidden, marriage is restricted and personal lives are controlled in the most ridiculous ways are all roses and chocolates right?

Persecution of Bahá'ís - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Few years ago, I've read the brutal ways how were hanged. In one case, family members were hanged one by one as remaining ones were forced to watch until their turn comes so that they could inflict more suffering. Even few months ago on PDF, there was a video posted that shows how 3 Baha's are being hanged while the crowd was cheering "death to Bahai".

You are an Iranian. Even if you don't believe in Islam, you will still be recognised as a muslim and will have access to all the privileges that come with it whereas for a non-muslim, it will be a different story. Only if you declare that you are a non-muslim, you will have to face death penalty. For muslims, Muslim-majority nations in the middle east would be the best choice. That's the difference.

Meanwhile, the "Zionist human rights violator" has accepted as many Baha's as they could and provided them with a better life where they no longer have to fear their lives. It's all thanks to liberals, why "human rights violations" of Israel are discussed widely while its neighbours manage to stay off the radar. Do we really need a debate to see why Israel is the best choice in the Middle for any non-muslim or a secular Arab?

Conditions of Israel is much better by a huge margin when compared to rest of the middle eastern countries and conditions of Iran is much better when compared to Sunni bloc in the region.

 

[MilSpec]

Yawn... another Israel bashing thread...

 

[Arminkh]

And Muslim-majority countries where converting to other religions is forbidden, marriage is restricted and personal lives are controlled in the most ridiculous ways are all roses and chocolates right?



Persecution of Bahá'ís - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Few years ago, I've read the brutal ways how were hanged. In one case, family members were hanged one by one as remaining ones were forced to watch until their turn comes so that they could inflict more suffering. Even few months ago on PDF, there was a video posted that shows how 3 Baha's are being hanged while the crowd was cheering "death to Bahai".

You are an Iranian. Even if you don't believe in Islam, you will still be recognised as a muslim and will have access to all the privileges that come with it whereas for a non-muslim, it will be a different story. If you declare that you are a non-muslim, you will have to face death penalty. For muslims, Muslim-majority nations in the middle east would be the best choice. That's the difference.

Meanwhile, the "Zionist human rights violator" has accepted as many Baha's as they could and provided them with a better life where they no longer have to fear their lives. It's all thanks to liberals, why "human rights violations" of Israel are discussed widely while its neighbours manage to stay off the radar. Do we really need a debate to see why Israel is the best choice in the Middle for any non-muslim or a secular Arab?

You are set on your beliefs which are leaned towards western values and I don't want to change that. However, don't try to argue with an Iranian over how things are in Iran while you have not been there yourself. As someone that has been born and lived in Iran for 36 years, I don't agree with anything that you said above except for the fact that Israel may be more favorable to Western Taste which is really irrelevant to what we are talking about in this thread. West roughly represents 10% of world population so they are not the ones who define what human right is. We are talking about HUMAN rights not WESTERN or SECULAR rights. Last time I checked non western and non seculars are also considered humans.

I personally don't like many false or biased news that I hear about my country either. But they are there and all I can do is to try to let the people around me know what the truth is. Same may be true about Israel. But I reserve the right to be highly doubtful about Israel being a victim here as they and their advocates have great influence on the media and most of the European governments.

Again, what I posted is regarding the resolutions that the representatives of the world's nations have passed condemning Israel's poor HUMAN rights. I agree with them and you don't. So let's leave it here.

 

[Azizam]

You are set on your beliefs which are leaned towards western values and I don't want to change that. However, don't try to argue with an Iranian over how things are in Iran while you have not been there yourself. As someone that has been born and lived in Iran for 36 years, I don't agree with anything that you said above except for the fact that Israel may be more favorable to Western Taste which is really irrelevant to what we are talking about in this thread. West roughly represents 10% of world population so they are not the ones who define what human right is. We are talking about HUMAN rights not WESTERN or SECULAR rights. Last time I checked non western and non seculars are also considered humans.

I personally don't like many false or biased news that I hear about my country either. But they are there and all I can do is to try to let the people around me know what the truth is. Same may be true about Israel. But I reserve the right to be highly doubtful about Israel being a victim here as they and their advocates have great influence on the media and most of the European governments.

Again, what I posted is regarding the resolutions that the representatives of the world's nations have passed condemning Israel's poor HUMAN rights. I agree with them and you don't. So let's leave it here.

So according to you, restricting anyone's ability to choose whatever he/she wants to believe, restricting freedom to choose his/her own way of dressing, restricting anyone's right to marry whoever he/she wants etc. are not violations of human rights? Only bombing from air is considered as a violation of human rights? No, these are universal human rights and should be available to anyone and restricting those rights don't improve the productivity of the country either so I don't see why they should be restricted in any case. Israel (and Lebanon to some extent) is by far the only country that guarantee these rights both constitutionally and socially so saying that Israel is the worst human right violator is laughable.

Dude, I am not specifically leaned towards western values. In the middle east section on this forum, anyone who opposes religious extremism is considered as leaned towards the west. Maybe you have forgotten to look at Far East where they have the same secular values but the political systems are far different from what you see in the west. I would absorb any positive elements in western society that make western societies productive. However, "one man, one vote" democracy is not something that buy into and I have said many times that democracy is not universal and certainly don't fit in a developing country so no I am not being pro-Western or Eastern, I try my best to be pragmatic.

 

[livingdead]

Not sure why author thinks Israel needs to be worse than north korea to have more resolutions against it.. btw who sponsors resolution against north korea?