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UK researchers tap into China's scientific powerhouse

By Pallab Ghosh

Science correspondent, BBC News

23 September 2016

The UK government is to outline its plans to strengthen collaborative research between Britain and China.

The Science Minister, Jo Johnson, will give details while opening a joint UK-Chinese plant research centre just outside Shanghai.

Scientists at the centre will investigate new ways of growing crops to feed an expanding global population.

The centre is the latest effort by the UK to tap into the rapid growth in scientific investment by China.

Chinese research has grown rapidly in the past 20 years. Spending on R&D is now over 40 times what it was in 1995, amounting to £150bn in 2015 - just over 2% of the country's economic production (GDP).

That compares with the UK government's spending on R&D of £8.4bn, which is just under 0.5% of Britain's GDP.

Despite this spending mismatch, the quality of UK research is still among the highest in the world. In order to maintain Britain's leading status, research leaders have decided that it is important to leverage our science spending with the emerging new science superpower.

Spending spree

At current growth rates, China is forecast to overtake the US to become the world's largest funder of R&D in 2022.

It is a science spending spree that the UK is ideally placed to tap into, according to Mr Johnson, who is in Shanghai with 150 scientists who are on a drive to strengthen links between British and Chinese researchers.

"Over the past 20 years, China has significantly increased investment in science and when UK and Chinese scientists work together, the results are proven to have more impact than when each country works alone. Frankly, it's obvious that we should continue exploiting our shared success," he said.

Collaboration between the two countries has grown steadily in recent years, particularly in areas of common interest, such as food security, energy and antimicrobial research. According to Prof Jane Elliott, who is the chief executive of the Economic and Social Research Council (ESRC), collaboration between the UK and China is a marriage made in heaven.

"The UK really does punch above its weight in science and research so we are seen as the partner of choice," she said.

"One of the challenges for China is its aging population and they have a demographic puzzle as a result of having had their one child policy, so they are very keen to work out how to sustain and care for their aging population.

"Their problem is on a different scale from the UK but we also face similar challenges and so it's good to be able to collaborate on those sorts of topics."

Agricultural research is an important area of collaboration between China and Britain. As China has modernised its agricultural systems to increase productivity, its scientists have also been investigating ways of reducing the consequent CO2 emissions.

The UK-China Centre for Sustainable Intensification of Agriculture has brought Chinese universities together with one of Britain's leading agricultural research centres, Rothamsted Research in Harpenden, to form a scientific cooperative to find environmentally friendlier approaches.

Prof Melanie Welham, who is the CEO of the Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council (BBSRC), said international collaboration with China was crucial:

"A lot of challenges that our researchers are addressing are global challenges. The UK leads the world in bioscience and that puts us in a really strong position to form international collaborations and partnerships," she told BBC News.

As China's vast energy sector continues to rely on coal, the need has grown for improved carbon capture technology to reduce CO2 emissions. A collaboration between Edinburgh University and North China Electric Power University led to a new process that reduced the energy needed for CO2 capture by up to 30%.

The UK-China Space Science and Technology Programme has brought together a UK institution, RAL Space, with China's Beihang University of Aeronautics & Astronautics, allowing researchers, businesses and agencies to collaborate in monitoring the Earth by satellite to monitor agriculture and the effects of climate change.

The new plant research centre just outside Shanghai is the latest UK effort to tap into the rapid growth in Chinese scientific expertise

Researchers at the Centre of Excellence for Plant and Microbial Science will investigate ways of improving crop yields, decreasing the threat from pests and diseases and reducing the need for artificial fertiliser. They will also study ways of harnessing the benefits of Chinese medicine.

Promising partnership?

The centre will work closely with the John Innes Centre (JIC) in Norwich. Its director, Prof Dale Sanders, said that the collaboration would build on historic ties.

"The partnership dates back to the 1980s when the JIC was among the first UK institutes to welcome Chinese researchers working abroad," he said.

"Today we are seeing our vision of a world class UK/China collaboration in plant and microbial sciences become a reality and I have no doubt that the excellent, world leading science delivered by this centre will make a huge impact on the big global challenges relating to food security and human health."

As well as the opening of the new plant science centre, the government announced a plan by the Open University and the CAS Centre for Excellence in Advanced Materials in Dongguan, Guangdong, to explore the development of a joint engineering centre with facilities in the UK and China and discussions to develop further collaborations in space science in the fields of remote sensing and satellite technology.

China has a long history of development work in Africa. In recent years, the UK has also made development research a priority, devoting more than £1.5bn to it over the next five years, and so this is another potential area of collaboration.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37420086
 
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LOL, UK is nothing in science field. :rofl: If they think they lead the world in bioscience, why they **** you want to team up with China for research?
 
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LOL, UK is nothing in science field. :rofl: If they think they lead the world in bioscience, why they **** you want to team up with China for research?

hey dude, 傲慢可不是好事情.
It is very common to do joint research in scientific fields
 
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The UK government is to outline its plans to strengthen collaborative research between Britain and China.

The Science Minister, Jo Johnson, will give details while opening a joint UK-Chinese plant research centre just outside Shanghai.

Scientists at the centre will investigate new ways of growing crops to feed an expanding global population.

The centre is the latest effort by the UK to tap into the rapid growth in scientific investment by China.
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This is a BBC article.

Yes, the UK is interested in collaborating with China.

But is China interested in this collaboration?
 
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This is a BBC article.

Yes, the UK is interested in collaborating with China.

But is China interested in this collaboration?

There is still much to learn from the UK.

I say collaborate with all countries who are willing, arrogant and dismissive mentality will lead to disaster.

The Qing thought they were better than everyone and that led to decay and its effect is still felt today.

'the oceans sit below the rivers and streams but rules them all'. - An old Chinese saying on humility.
 
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LOL, UK is nothing in science field. :rofl: If they think they lead the world in bioscience, why they **** you want to team up with China for research?

You have to keep in mind even though China has the bigger economy UK is still the more developed country and most of the innovations that you see are mostly are from British Scientists.

4 out of top 10 universities in the world are in UK who's research is unrivalled anywhere in the world like Oxford , Cambridge , Imperial , Kings college etc.
 
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There is still much to learn from the UK.

I say collaborate with all countries who are willing, arrogant and dismissive mentality will lead to disaster.

The Qing thought they were better than everyone and that led to decay and its effect is still felt today.

'the oceans sit below the rivers and streams but rules them all'. - An old Chinese saying on humility.

This is absoutely correct. Imagine if Qianlong didnt brush off the British ambassador saying CHina has everything and has no interest in Western goods.. Hell the Opium war might not even have started and the Century of Humiliation(and even the Japanese invasion) could have been avoided since CHina would had embarked on a modernization period earlier than the Meiji Reformation.
 
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This is absoutely correct. Imagine if Qianlong didnt brush off the British ambassador saying CHina has everything and has no interest in Western goods.. Hell the Opium war might not even have started and the Century of Humiliation(and even the Japanese invasion) could have been avoided since CHina would had embarked on a modernization period earlier than the Meiji Reformation.
You have to keep in mind even though China has the bigger economy UK is still the more developed country and most of the innovations that you see are mostly are from British Scientists.


Yes the influence of industrial revolution is key. The US became a world leader in applied tech during the "Gilded Age", from 1860-1890, 500,000 patents were issued for new inventions — over 10 times the number issued in the previous 70 years. Japan began industrial revolution in "Meiji Period" starting at 1870, inventions also started to grow and lead the world between 1970-2000's. Comparatively speaking China was late by more than a century, and only began picking up momentum from 1990's.

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http://www.wipo.int/edocs/pubdocs/en/wipo_pub_941_2015-part1.pdf
I agree China needs to stay open and collaborate with other industrialized nations on R&D. Despite making huge progress since 1990's, by 2014 China only ranked (by density) number 9 in the world, still has a lot of room for improvement.


Moreover, relative to other industrialized nations, R&D concentration is quite dispersed in China. I expect China to build fewer but bigger tech firms, i.e. mega-sized companies. China should stay open to domestic and cross-border M&A, build close working relationship with leading tech-industrial powers like Japan, SK and Germany.

 
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Yes the influence of industrial revolution is key. The US became a world leader in applied tech during the "Gilded Age", from 1860-1890, 500,000 patents were issued for new inventions — over 10 times the number issued in the previous 70 years. Japan began industrial revolution in "Meiji Period" starting at 1870, inventions also started to grow and lead the world between 1970-2000's. Comparatively speaking China was late by more than a century, and only began picking up momentum from 1990's.

I agree China needs to work stay open and collaborate with other industrialized nations on R&D. Despite making huge progress since 1990's, by 2014 China only ranked (by density) number 9 in the world, still has a lot of room for improvement.


Moreover, relative to other industrialized nations, R&D concentration is quite dispersed in China. I expect China to build fewer but bigger tech firms, i.e. mega-sized companies. China should stay open to domestic and cross-border M&A, build close working relationship with leading tech-industrial powers like Japan, SK and Germany.

How about 2015-2016?
 
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How about 2015-2016?


Still waiting for WIPO 2016 Edition, I guess it should be released in coming December, lots of data to compile, so for the time being let's get entertained with various panel-judged indices e.g. "most innovative nations" or "best universities". Just like previous edition, I expect the numbers in the coming edition will be again focused on the same five nations with largest industrial base: China, US, Japan, South Korea, Germany.
 
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Still waiting for WIPO 2016 Edition, I guess it should be released in coming December, so for the time being let's get entertained with various panel-created indices. Just like previous edition, I expect the numbers in the coming edition will be again focused on the same five nations: China, US, Japan, South Korea, Germany.
I was a little shocked to see Huawei filed less than ZTE.
 
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This is absoutely correct. Imagine if Qianlong didnt brush off the British ambassador saying CHina has everything and has no interest in Western goods.. Hell the Opium war might not even have started and the Century of Humiliation(and even the Japanese invasion) could have been avoided since CHina would had embarked on a modernization period earlier than the Meiji Reformation.
Opium war happened for robbery mindset which the western world still has in current. The war would happen in another way if not for opium.

It's about the arrogant and ignorant of Qing dynasty lead to the weakness of China at that time.With the assumption goes, Ming dynasty is way more prosperous than Qing dynasty if you watched the books were written by western priests in Ming dynasty era. The theory is that China will be the middle kindom without Qing dynasty.

History is history. We should look forward. Only the research itself need abroad ream to join and we lack of the expertise in the fields then we could start the cooperation. And the cooperation project should be strictly audited since there are many failed cooperation like Galileo Navigation etc.

Cooperation or not is not a problem itself. Military technology still developed fast than ever for almost 30 years with embargo from the west.:D The problem is which kind of cooperation we really need.

I agree that in the dawn for boom of technology of China, we need open our eyes and learn that joint research is never a must for us.
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4 out of top 10 universities in the world are in UK who's research is unrivalled anywhere in the world like Oxford , Cambridge , Imperial , Kings college etc.

Still waiting for WIPO 2016 Edition, I guess it should be released in coming December, lots of data to compile, so for the time being let's get entertained with various panel-judged indices e.g. "most innovative nations" or "best universities". Just like previous edition, I expect the numbers in the coming edition will be again focused on the same five nations with largest industrial base: China, US, Japan, South Korea, Germany.
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Even though UK has 4 universities in the top 10, but it is not featured in the WIPO top five list.

Maybe UK is not so good in filing patents.

It looks like this WIPO list is monopolized by NE Asia.
 
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Even though UK has 4 universities in the top 10, but it is not featured in the WIPO top five list.

Maybe UK is not so good in filing patents.

It looks like this WIPO list is monopolized by NE Asia.

I think that's because UK has almost lost its industrial assets, take auto industry as an example, Bentley, RR and Mini belongs to Germany, Jaguar and Land Rover belongs to India, MG belongs to China. Few industrial activities, few IP applications.
 
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How about 2015-2016?
Still waiting for WIPO 2016 Edition, I guess it should be released in coming December, lots of data to compile, so for the time being let's get entertained with various panel-judged indices e.g. "most innovative nations" or "best universities". Just like previous edition, I expect the numbers in the coming edition will be again focused on the same five nations with largest industrial base: China, US, Japan, South Korea, Germany.

Just released!
https://defence.pk/threads/world-in...lobal-ranking-of-countries-in-patents.462744/
 
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