UK Parliament Palestine Motion is Vote of Anger at Israeli Warmongering

[al-Hasani]

West Bank is ruled by Fatah and Gaza is ruled by Hamas. They dont recognize each other.

So which one is "Palestine"?


No, there is no any material, is something was missed by Israeli mainstream media it would be reported by Haaretz, Peace Now, 972 Mag... If something was missed by those it would be reported by 2 million Arab Hebrew speakers inside Palestine and those Arabs who monitor Hebrew press regularly outside.

So what? Both entities are still considered as being part of the Palestinian state hence why you have 135 countries out of 193 UN member states (69,9%) that have recognized the Palestinian State.

I don't know about that. The point is that the same is the case with everything that is being said in the Muslim world yet MEMRI is monitoring 1.7 billion Muslims only showing the few retards. Often the same persons again and again.

Was this gathering by rabbis that sanctioned the killing of goyim reported in mainstream Israeli media?

 

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So what? Both entities are still considered as being part of the Palestinian state hence why you have 135 countries out of 193 UN member states (69,9%) that have recognized the Palestinian State.

So which state they recognize? One in West Bank or one in Gaza?

Was this gathering by rabbis that sanctioned the killing of goyim reported in mainstream Israeli media?

I dont see any sanctioning there.

 

[al-Hasani]

So which state they recognize? One in West Bank or one in Gaza?


I dont see any sanctioning there.

The Palestinian National Authority.

Palestinian National Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why make it more complicated than it is? Were you not in favor of a two-state solution and critical of the illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank?

Watch the video then. It's made by a Jew.

Lastly Israeli politicians need to figure out if they want a two-state solution or a 1 state solution and if they want the later they must give the Palestinians equal rights and when they get that (voting right for instance) the current Israeli politics cannot be possible. At least they will have no democratic backing.

 

[Steve781]

They are obviously recognizing the Palestinian state which is composed of the West Bank and Gaza.

Yes, Israelis do that but it would only be fair if Muslims had a MEMRI channel as well as there is plenty of material for such a channel.

Yes, every Arabic speaker could learn Hebrew relatively quickly and vice versa. After all both languages are Semitic languages and closely related.



You are contradicting yourself. The governments are supposed to serve the people and the vast majority of all people in the West support a two-state solution and thus a recognition of Palestine as well as that of Israel which already has taken place. How can such a move damage any ties with Israel? In fact it should have the exact opposite reaction and help end this tiring conflict.

Besides the West, UK included, is obviously much more interested in having good ties with the 22 Arab countries and 450-500 million Arabs as the Arab world is home to the most natural resources in the world, extremely important geopolitically (hence all the meddling) and moreover has a 10.000 km long sea border with Europe (The Arab world has the longest Mediterranean coastline) aside from Europe having a big Arab diaspora.

I don't know about the trade volume between the UK and Israel versus the UK and the Arab world but I am willing to make a bet that the trade volume between the UK and KSA/UAE alone (let alone the entire GCC) is bigger than the trade volume between the UK and Israel. Much bigger.

I also know with certainty that there are more Arab billionaires in London and the UK than Israeli billionaires. Only Russians are close. In fact I know that we Arabians own many of the most luxurious apartments and land in London and the UK overall. Qatar alone has tremendous investments in the UK and a big political clout as well.

So from a political viewpoint UK would do a clever thing if they recognized Palestine but on the other hand I don't think that this move will change the close ties or damage them. Business is business and we Arabs know it better than most since we have done trade with the world for millenniums and when most entities of the world's entities of today did not even exist. UK obviously included here….

Arab countries hardly ever lobby Britain on Israel/Palestine. Our allowing the Muslim Brotherhood to base itself here is a much bigger concern.
Must we dance to Saudi tune over Muslim Brotherhood? - Telegraph
There is still a lot of Arab influence today but there was much more in the past. For example, Thatcher despised Menachem Begin.
When Thatcher turned against Israel | The Jewish Chronicle
In 1982 she put an arms embargo on Israel after they invaded Lebanon which lasted until 1994. It's difficult to imagine an action like that now.

 

[al-Hasani]

Arab countries hardly ever lobby Britain on Israel/Palestine. Our allowing the Muslim Brotherhood to base itself here is a much bigger concern.
Must we dance to Saudi tune over Muslim Brotherhood? - Telegraph
There is still a lot of Arab influence but there was much more in the past. For example, Thatcher despised Menachem Begin and put an arms embargo on Israel after they invaded Lebanon which lasted until 1994. It's difficult to imagine an action like that today.

Well, as most of the world has given up on that conflict. From a selfish point of you there is not much to blame state actors that are busy with prospering for doing that. Besides after the "Arab Spring" quite a few Arab countries (3-4) have become engulfed in civil wars. For some countries the first in their history.

The influence remains very strong as I wrote. In terms of investments it has only increased let alone political cooperation and the trade volume.

My point remains though. Europe has a 10.000 long sea border (Mediterranean) with the Arab world. It's a market of 500 million people and enormous potential for growth. It will always lie in the backyard of Europe. We are talking about 22 states. Several having a bigger trade volume with the UK than UK with Israel.

Your population (voters) are also increasingly in favor (everywhere in Europe almost) of a recognition of Palestine and a two-state solution. Which actions such as those this thread deal with also show.

At the end of the day everyone is tired of that conflict. The Israelis and Palestinians must be that too.

Regarding the MB. Please read up on their ideology, Sayyid Qutb and Hassan al-Banna. Russia followed suit back in 2003. I am not sure about whether the decision was correct or not really. Personally I do not care about the MB though or any other political movements. I care about economic, technological, social progress, law and order, low crime rates, keeping traditions intact etc. I am a conservative-liberal in other words. But I don't really have a political party that I follow in France.

In the US I would vote Republican though.