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UK foreign ministry to raise issue of treatment of minorities with Pakistan

Pakistan keeps thinking it can have normal relation with Afghanistan, Iran but not with India. Even if China is exploiting them they are willing to sell their country just for their hatred of Hindu India.

They don’t want to come to terms, things are going to only intensify, till the day Pakistan decides to make peace with India. By the time it will be too late. People just show their heroics in such forums, but in practical nobody wants to seriously see, Pakistan is getting deeper & deeper in trouble & the world is ganging up, one by one to strangulate Pakistan.

Unless the common man questions the policy of hostility with India, & put a sincere & immediate effort to stop it, the political & Military establishment will only keep pushing the country in to more chaos & finally towards riots, civil war & break up. India is in a far better position than Pakistan, so you have to surrender to save your misery. I am not saying this because I am a India, because these are facts.

And there will definitely be another terrorist attack in UK this year itself I fee & when it happens, mark my words there will be people, who will come out on streets for protest in large numbers. It will give birth to many Geert Wilders across Europe. Teresa May will be under immense pressure & in dilemma, how to deal with the situation & she will be forced to put a ban on Muslim immigration & it will also lead to slow deportation of the immigrants from Europe. This is going to grip Germany & through out the world. But the fears of Muslims are just only going to turn in to more bitterness & hatred with every terror attack & this will have an effect on Pakistan, worse if there is any connection established to Pakistan to these attacks.
It is Vedantist led Bharat which cannot accept that Pakistanis' ancestors accepted Islam over the religion of their forefathers and decided to make their own destiny...
 
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The Kalash culture should be documented for academic purposes, but I see no harm in them abandoning it if they wish to do so.

Hindu temples and what not are in ruins because of the frequent Muslim-Kafir wars of the sub-continent. The Kalash are not having a war with us, therefore, their artefacts would and should be preserved in a museum so long as they are halal. If they are not halal, then we should make them halal (e.g smashing the faces of statues) and then preserve them. However, I'm sceptical of Pakistani historians doing the last step.

I would prefer for them to become Muslim, but if they wish to remain as Kafirs I have no problem, so long as they abide by the laws of the country. Same with every other minority in Pakistan.

If they did become Muslim, I would hope for them to reject any haram aspects of their culture wholesale, but I doubt they would. Same for every other minority in Pakistan.

Wtf ? smashing their faces then preserving them how insane ! Please never a get a job in the department of antiquities and stay away from all museums and historical/cultural attractions. Thanks.
 
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Wtf ? smashing their faces then preserving them how insane ! Please never a get a job in the department of antiquities and stay away from all museums and historical/cultural attractions. Thanks.

Hahha, I know right, how wonderfully ironic :).

It is not an idiotic comment. it reflects social practice.



Call them Pakistani origin males
Call a spade a spade

But they were Asian because according to the global map, Pakistan is in Asia. In the U.K. there are three layers of identity:

Continent, Country and self defined ethnicity. Also there were Afghan and Bengali nationals also included in these gangs :).
 
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Hahha, I know right, how wonderfully ironic :).



But they were Asian because according to the global map, Pakistan is in Asia. In the U.K. there are three layers of identity:

Continent, Country and self defined ethnicity. Also there were Afghan and Bengali nationals also included in these gangs :).

cut the crap.
vast majority of the culprits are British-Pakistanis and some folks FOB from Pakistan
 
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cut the crap.
vast majority of the culprits are British-Pakistanis and some folks FOB from Pakistan

1. Learn to talk to people with respect.
2. Read more than just the garbage printed in your broadsheets
3. Actually no, I am not a Pakistani apologist but I have to remain objective:

Almost 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in England and Wales in 2011 were white. 3% were black and 4% were Asian and the rest were either listed as ‘other’ or unknown.


This is a quote taken from a home office report on child sexual exploitation and grooming in the U.K.:

A large proportion of cases in these studies also have the ethnicity of the offender recorded as unknown, so this could potentially affect the reliability of the information on ethnicities that we do know. In many of the cases no more information was known other than that the offender was described as Asian. This could cover a wide variety of ethnicities and nationalities like Chinese, Pakistani, Indian as well as a range of British-Asian ethnicities, depending on the study.

The full report is available here for you to read:

https://www.cps.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/publications/cps_vawg_report_2016.pdf

Cheers!
 
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1. Learn to talk to people with respect.
2. Read more than just the garbage printed in your broadsheets
3. Actually no, I am not a Pakistani apologist but I have to remain objective:

Almost 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in England and Wales in 2011 were white. 3% were black and 4% were Asian and the rest were either listed as ‘other’ or unknown.


This is a quote taken from a home office report on child sexual exploitation and grooming in the U.K.:



The full report is available here for you to read:

https://www.cps.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/publications/cps_vawg_report_2016.pdf

Cheers!

I like straight shooters. Post the total number of grooming gang members by nationality. Decide if Asian is the right moniker

Considering a good part of the government sat on their asses and decided political sensitivities take precedence over the welfare of kids I will take another government report with a grain of salt.

I would not be surprised if the majority of sex offenders in UK are white. You are 90% White majority country


what is the percentage of the grooming gangs by ethnicity ?
 
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I like straight shooters. Post the total number of grooming gang members by nationality. Decide if Asian is the right moniker

Considering a good part of the government sat on their asses and decided political sensitivities take precedence over the welfare of kids I will take another government report with a grain of salt.

I would not be surprised if the majority of sex offenders in UK are white. You are 90% White majority country


what is the percentage of the grooming gangs by ethnicity ?

Straight shooting is fine but show a little decorum.

So you don’t trust a document from the head of the U.K. prosecution service?

You DO know that the stats used for the report published by the Daily Mail came from the government report right? It’s just the daily mail chose to highlight the 80% of offenders as “Asian” in Rochdale rather than the whole of the U.K.

According to the “Crown Prosecution Service” :Almost 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in England and Wales in 2011 were white. 3% were black and 4% were Asian and the rest wereeither listed as ‘other’ or unknown.

Furthermore according to a report in 2014:

Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years.

As a matter of course the CPS doesn’t record the ethnicity of the offenders. This is captured by the arresting police force or reporting agency.

The report from Quilliam is bias because it looks at Gangs and not Individual offenders. If you look at organised crime gangs which included the gangs in Rochdale, Bolton and Rotherham then yes the majority of those offenders were “Asian males” including British-Pakistani, Bengali, Indian, Afghan and Arab.

But overall according to CEOP, the majority offenders in group 1: major repeat offenders are white males. Asians only make up 8% of the population, Pakistanis are 1.86% of the U.K. population.
 
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Straight shooting is fine but show a little decorum.

So you don’t trust a document from the head of the U.K. prosecution service?

You DO know that the stats used for the report published by the Daily Mail came from the government report right? It’s just the daily mail chose to highlight the 80% of offenders as “Asian” in Rochdale rather than the whole of the U.K.

According to the “Crown Prosecution Service” :Almost 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in England and Wales in 2011 were white. 3% were black and 4% were Asian and the rest wereeither listed as ‘other’ or unknown.

Furthermore according to a report in 2014:

Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years.

As a matter of course the CPS doesn’t record the ethnicity of the offenders. This is captured by the arresting police force or reporting agency.

The report from Quilliam is bias because it looks at Gangs and not Individual offenders. If you look at organised crime gangs which included the gangs in Rochdale, Bolton and Rotherham then yes the majority of those offenders were “Asian males” including British-Pakistani, Bengali, Indian, Afghan and Arab.

But overall according to CEOP, the majority offenders in group 1: major repeat offenders are white males. Asians only make up 8% of the population, Pakistanis are 1.86% of the U.K. population.

I have several problems

there are lies, damn lies and statistics

Why the focus on England and Wales ?? I thought Scotland and Northern ireland are part of UK. When I see things like this I have to assume you are a snake oil salesman.

Why should I trust the British government ? Parts of your government think political sensitivities are more important than enforcing the laws. You are no different from India.

The British media is soft on misdoings of British Pakistanis. The grooming is not the first instance. Forced marriages is another instance
 
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Why the focus on England and Wales ?? I thought Scotland and Northern ireland are part of UK. When I see things like this I have to assume you are a snake oil salesman.

Wow you are totally clueless aren’t you. Well since you have shown in this one statement how ill informed you are about the U.K. legal frame work let me spell it out for you:

There are three Legal systems in the U.K.:
1.English Law,
2.Northern Irish and Welsh Law and
3.Scots Law.

Scots Law is separate to the U.K. as of 1707 union treaty. The Scottish even have their own Police force and Parliament: http://www.parliament.scot/

Scotland reports its own offences via its own Judicial system and it has its own police force (don’t confuse Scotland Yard as being Scottish) and its own prosecution service.

According to the 2011 census, only 3% of the Scottish population is Asian. Out of which 0.93% are Pakistani.
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Here is the only map ever printed showing registered sex offenders in Scotland. That’s 3000 offenders living in 319 postcode areas of Scotland.

Considering Asians make up 3% and Pakistanis 0.93% you can draw your own conclusions.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/726417/Sex-offenders-registered-shocking-number-Scotland

You ask further in your post why you should trust the U.K. government. Well you don’t have to, no one is asking for your trust. Does it matter if some random dude on the internet trusts the authenticity of the U.K. government? :cheesy:

You also state that the British Media is soft on U.K. Pakistanis, would you have source to back up this allegation please? Or is this just one of those “I have a hunch moments”?

Advice for the future. Before you start discussing something in detail read up on it first. The fact you didn’t know about the difference between the laws of Englandand Wales and Scots Law shows how limited your knowledge and understanding of the subject is.

Read more please, broaden that narrow mind of yours.
 
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Someone needs to remind UK that since three centuries you have killed millions and millions of people as the imperialist power. You destroyed the local populations of Red Indians in North America, Aborigines in Australia, Blacks in Africa and countless other areas you went and enslaved people. In fact English were the first ones to have the honor of starting the "Slave Trade". You imprisoned thousands and thousand of people like cattle. English even started wars for Opium. So one of the most disgusting nation on Earth wants to talk 'Human Rights". What pathetic hypocrites.
 
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