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UAE Tolerance Minister Says Orlando Shooting Shows Islam Has Been 'Hijacked by ISIS'

http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/uae-tolerance-minister-islam-isis/

“We need to wake up.”

Sheikha Lubna Al Qasimi, the United Arab Emirates’s minister for tolerance, says the Islamic State has “taken the world by surprise.” Now, she says, the global llmmunity must work together to confront and fight terrorism.

Speaking at the Fortune Most Powerful Women International Summit in London on Tuesday, Al Qasimi told attendees that the Orlando shooting shows that Islam has been “hijacked by ISIS.”

To combat terrorism, she said, countries need to collaborate: “We need to wake up. We can’t do it alone, and neither can the U.S.”

Al Qasimi, who was formerly the UAE’s minister of international cooperation and development, has been working on bolstering global coordination by attending interfaith meetings throughout Europe. She recently traveled to Copenhagen to participate in a dialogue with Christians, Muslims and Jews. She also went to Rome to meet with Pope Francis.

Aside from her personal efforts, she said there are key organizations in the UAE that are working on the issue: Hedayah, a global center whose aim is to counter violent extremism, and the Sawab Center, which was launched in conjunction with the U.S. last year. Sawab’s mission is to build up a network of people “willing to speak out” against terrorism, according to the State Department.

When Al Qasimi was appointed to the unusual position of minister for tolerance in February, the UAE also announced ministers for happiness and youth. She said the three new ministries at first “raised a lot of eyebrows” since such departments are usually “there to serve the people,” as opposed to being “value driven.” But she still holds the post, and the two other positions are held by women as well.
 
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Tell her what you islam and fiqh and ulama think about homos then tell her if islam was hijacked


ISIS is the best example of islam

Many people, Muslims included, do not understand the depth of Islam, in particular today. Homosexuality is haram, which there is no doubt about, but the penalty of it varies depending on the fiqh. Moreover in practice it is almost impossible to be sentenced to death for it. Moreover Sharia can only be implied in an Islamic State.

Not even in an Islamic State would what that Afghan did be legal. Islam being against homosexuality does not equal acceptance of mass-shooting of supposed homosexuals in the US.

As a Muslim and as a heterosexual man I disagree with homosexuality but I have no Islamic authority to punish them in any way or form whatsoever. Nor is that even my interest.

The practices of Fahesh have been successfully countered and disproven by Ulama of all sects.

I suggest listening to some lectures of Sheikh Hasan bin Farhan al-Maliki. One of the most eminent clerics in the world.


Also what is wrong with having a negative view of the practice of homosexuality? Islam is against the practice itself not the homosexual individual whether man or woman. A person's existence is not defined by his or her sexuality.

So nothing that the Sheikha said is wrong or hypocritical at all. Especially not as nobody has, from my knowledge, ever been sentenced to death due to homosexuality in the UAE.

I know that you have become an Atheist bro, and I respect that, but I suggest you to do research on your own and not rely blindly on clerics and their interpretations or those of state actors.

Take a look at the videos and lectures of Sheikh Hasan bin Farhan al-Maliki to start with.

@SALMAN AL-FARSI

Also what the hell has that Afghan to do with Islam? He was a drinker, frequented gay bars several times and I doubt that his knowledge about Islam was even elementary. More less him even being able to understand the Noble Qur'an and its teachings. Same story with almost every single terrorist out there if not all of them. Intelligent people like OBL knew the true but he used terror to spread his ideas and influence. Due to selfish reasons. His "teachings" were political 95% of the time as well. This obsession of equaling at most 100.000 "Muslim" terrorists worldwide with the 1.6 billion of us must stop because it will only backfire. Self-proclaimed Muslim "liberal" "saints" play an important negative role currently in this regard instead of focusing on the real causes behind terror which mostly have little to do with religion itself. You were once a traditional Muslim and now after becoming an Atheist you are now equaling Islam with ISIS. That is neither intellectualism nor honesty. Purely a biased agenda and to feel better with yourself. "Look at those ISIS clones" etc. Seen it before with people who left any religion. Afterwards they blame all their faults and fiascos in life on their previous religion. That's not how life works. I hope for your own sake that you are not like that now.

Let me ask you a question, how many majority-Muslim states let alone Muslim individuals acts evolve around their religion and even if a tiny minority do, do their interpretation of Islam correspondent with the written words and essence? May I remind you that people much more knowledgeable than us have studied Islam their entire life's and yet they never stopped learning. It is very arrogant and ignorant of people with a superficial knowledge of Islam to make judgements. Not only when it comes to Islam but anything in this world.

I am a open for a philosophical discussion in private if you want to sometime in the future. I will be incredibly busy not long from now unfortunately.

The biggest mass-murderers in recent history were all atheists. State actors who have done the most harm all acted in the name of an atheist ideology/interests. They did not need any religious justification to do evil. Do you think that Muslim states act in the name of religion or self-interest? The later and ONLY the later outside of symbolism. Maybe we Muslims should equal all atheists with the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao and hundreds of other "enlightened" mass-murderers. That would be as logical as you equaling the actions of ISIS with Islam and Muslims. Application of any ideology (the manner of it in other words) seemingly does not count here.
 
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UAE becomes the first country to have a ministry for trolling..wow!
 
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ISIS is the best example of islam

To be fair to Muslims, some of the acts of violence they do are not sanctioned by Islam. In state of war, however, violence is permitted(obviously). If ISIS did not implement religious lifestyle(Abrahamic religion one), it would not have so much controversy surrounding it. People focus on their approach to society and lifestyle. And in that regard, they are the closest to the best example of Islam. They establish the Islamic society, it's laws, bans everything considered un-Islamic, like mixing, alcohol, tobacco, etc.... Yet surprisingly 99% of Jews, Muslims, Christians oppose that. Because they all want the right to do what's forbidden. They're the most hypocritical people I've seen and I'm glad I left the religion.

@Arabian Stallion seems like he was sincere in following the religion and is somewhat conservative, so my criticisms of the hypocrisy of Muslims do not apply to him.

Anyway, @SALMAN AL-FARSI , don't bother try explaining to most people, since they are secular yet don't acknowledge. They have no idea how society was at time of Mohammed and how the Caliphs/Sahaba implemented religion. If they lived during that era, no doubt they'd freak out, go crazy and complain about repression, try running away too....
 
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Maybe Imams should actually be educated on the Quran before they are allowed to publicly speak in the name of Islam. Before sending trash like this condoning such violence.

 
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Really? So everything ISIS does is Islam, right?

That's not what he said, he's an ex-Shia now atheist, so don't accuse of him sympathizing with ISIS. He's not referring to the acts of violence that take place. Targeting non-combatants is not allowed in Islam, in the way ISIS does with car bombings targeting gatherings. Executing male adults who were captured in war, was sometimes a common thing that did happen. Non-combatants of today mean something else than the past. Now let's leave this all aside.

What Salman is referring to is the content of the religion, and also other Abrahamic religions. We'll speak about Islam though, he is right that ISIS are among some of the few Muslims who implement Islam in society fully. Some Muslim nations implement it partially. You have to fully implement Islam to be best example of Islam. That means implementing all the laws and preventing society from going 'astray'. Or from following or being open to secular lifestyle. Islam is a way of life remember, almost all of it is about lifestyle. So don't be surprised if we bring that up. It's barely anything to do with 'spirituality'. Spirituality just means you have attachment to faith or prayer. Spirituality along doesn't form a religion. It's lifestyle that does int he case of Abrahamic religions.

Of course today Muslims are not open to following what their Prophet followed, nor open to what he ordained to them. He didn't suggest Muslims to follow some things, he commanded them to ban 'haram' and enjoin in good, etc....Muslims of course find him to be too strict, or they want to have a fun life and enjoy women and lead secular lifestyle then 'settle down' later on....Try that 'settle down later' lifestyle during the time of Muhammed and I guarantee you won't last a few minutes. You will receive death penalty.
 
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@Falcon29 I would like to have a debate with you on some of the topics that you have raised some day but in the meantime I believe that this video below will give you both an interesting perspective. Whether you agree or disagree with the content of the video.


@SALMAN AL-FARSI

Maybe Imams should actually be educated on the Quran before they are allowed to publicly speak in the name of Islam. Before sending trash like this condoning such violence.


Or maybe the US should stop individuals like this Iranian national from entering the US? Who says that he is representing Islam or the 1.6 billion Muslims? He is surely not representing me. What have I to do with his statements for instance? Or any other Muslim out there? Likewise how to tackle his statements in light of the much-praised freedom of expression? Should certain parts of ideologies, religions or certain statements be censured completely because a small, in fact a tiny minority, of individuals who only act on their own or in groups with like-minded individuals, are prone to act upon those very same statements in a negative light? This is the big question.

People with ill intentions can turn the most peaceful message into violence. Or make any possible excuse to do what they desire. In this case harm. This has nothing to do with religion. If all organized religions went "extinct" tomorrow the EXACT same problems that humanity as a whole faces, would remain. This is the nature of mankind. Always has been. Do you think that mans lust for power, self-fulfillment, self-enrichment, sense of superiority whatever it is based upon, various lusts, arrogance etc. would suddenly disappear? Is anyone here seriously believing that the very fundamental nature of mankind changes depending on his ideology? Or his environment, looks or what he eats? Nonsense. To disprove such a claim it is sufficient to look at how all nations states, despite all having unique politics and ideologies, behave or what they are driven by. Nation states are not physical individuals but they are composed and lead by people.

I added a lot more text to your post. @XenoEnsi-14
 
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The Orlanda shooting does not seem religiously motivated.

He just randomly pledged himself to several terrorist groups before the attack. Probably trying to cover up the fact that he was a regular at that gay bar.
 
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Or maybe the US should stop individuals like this Iranian from entering the US?
That would be called intolerance by liberals :crazy:, this kind of speech shouldn't be tolerated in Muslim or non-Muslim nations.
The Orlanda shooting does not seem religiously motivated.

He just randomly pledged himself to several terrorist groups before the attack. Probably trying to cover up the fact that he was a regular at that gay bar.
He was motivated by pure hate and hijacked Islam. Whether or not he was actually gay we may never know.
 
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When you got a minister for tolerance, then you know you have a serious problem with tolerance...
 
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"Tolerance Minister" :lol:

When you got a minister for tolerance, then you know you have a serious problem with tolerance...

No, not really.

All it means is that, unlike other countries in this part of the world (e.g. Iran and Turkey), the UAE is actually genuine about tackling issues such as racism, tribalism, sectarianism, etc.

In fact, all countries in this region need to have ministries that are specifically dedicated to tackling bigotry and hatred.

The Iranians and Turks desperately need a tolerance ministry of their own, in my opinion.
 
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