UAE minister enters Guinness Book of Records

[Saif al-Arab]

I once said here, I personally choose a Persian anyday over a British so nothing has changed. I still dislike Egyptian government. I still stand against Khaleeji support to such guy but well, Egyptian-Turkish relations are different than Turkish-Khaleeji relations. Our stand is still the same towards Assad as we still support the Syrian opposition.

"The Syrian opposition emphasized that they will gain new victories against the PKK, Daesh and Assad, adding, "Our sole purpose is to work for the interests of the Syrian people and their future. We will not be involved in projects that do not include Turkey.”

Spokesmen of Usud al-Sharqiya and Forces of Martyr Ahmad al-Abdo said that the U.S. issued a direct threat and “The U.S. is explicitly pressuring us to ‘betray the revolution.’."

US threatens Syrian opposition to join PKK/PYD


Then a fight with full support of United States (that mercilessly slaughtered many innocent Arabs, raped Arab women, children, beat elderly Arabic people) against Iran is a disaster for everybody in region. I would never let that happen.

You haven't seen Turkish side or Turkish FM doing any of these:

Lastly, UAE FM called us as colonial. I see no New Ankara instead of Abu Dhabi or New Izmir instead of Dubai. You don't know Turkish language as well. Then all these falsified Armenian Genocide Memorial visit, talks of support to YPG, means PKK etc. Do we deserve such hostility? Are you that traitorous? All we did, was sending our personnel to Qatar, another Arabic nation and the most brotherly and closest one to other Khaleeji's then objecting to a stupid, tribal fight with Iran. Also you always bring that we stole Caliphate from Arabs but well, read some Quran:

"If you turn away, He will replace you with another people; then they will not be the likes of you." Surah Muhammad 47:38

There isn't anything stolen, subhanallah. I checked, I am anything but the likes of you

I am not offended, he isn't mistaken but these aren't stuff that we can not handle. I don't care the rest you wrote, I didn't read.

Ok, you have a problem with the current UAE leadership. I hope you realize that the UAE does not equal the GCC let alone the Arab world. I know that you are well aware of this but your recent posts do not make that clear.

I bring it up because it happened after 1000 years of Arab rule of the Caliphate and most of the Muslim world and only because you bring it up how it ended. Apparently, according to you, it was OK to be allied with German unbelievers but a few groups of Arabs (far from all which you are also well aware of - in fact Arab contribution to the Ottomans, which was immense, is not recognized enough which a few Turkish thinkers and historians have also spoken about openly) aliening with the British Empire in order to gain full independence (as did Albanian Muslims before and others) is haram. Do you understand now?

Saying that you prefer Persians to the Americans is not exactly praise. You know what I mean here.

Here what a kurdish women says about the ARABS, style of the saudi pdf with a thousand and one account....
[video]

https://www.facebook.com/

hope that you understand arabic...

Some idiotic woman. You won't believe in that even yourself, Ceylal. The same Kurds that are stateless and amounted to nothing when fighting against Daesh. Those trying to take the credit of the achievements of the Iraqi army. What have they been doing other than building trenches? Where where they in Mosul, Fallujah, Ramadi, Samarra, Tal Afar, Baqubah etc.? Shall I answer. Nowhere.

Maybe you will give the Kurds the credit for what the Syrian Arab Army has been doing and their Arab foot soldiers from abroad (Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen mainly)? In fact Houthis might even be Kurds for a day as well in your logic.

BTW you have no clue about Arab-Kurdish relations which have historically been great and a lot of intermarriages have been taken place, in particular in Iraq. In KSA there are quite a large number of citizens of Kurdish ancestry who go by the surname Al-Kurdi or Al-Ayyubi (descendants of Saladdin (ra) = who mostly live in Jordan and Hijaz (KSA) nowadays). Read about the Ayyubid dynasty.

Let @TheCamelGuy educate you.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Come on. That's like saying that a Pashtun across the border in Afghanistan (who by a chance did not become an Pakistan or vice versa - it could be you in theory - maybe your forefathers even migrated from modern-day Afghanistan) has nothing to do with each other or an Saudi Arabian and an Iraqi.

I am not saying there is no connection.There is. And indeed there have been population movements. But don't tell me please that your not aware that despite some shared links there are differances in the Afghan/Pak population matrix. Just like despite some shared links with India the total matrix in India is differant. Anyway age is catching to me. I accept defeat. Too tired to go on with this lark. All the best.

 

[gangsta_rap]

Aaaaaayyy keep the post party going!!

 

[Ceylal]

Some idiotic woman. You won't believe in that even yourself, Ceylal. The same Kurds that are stateless and amounted to nothing when fighting against Daesh. Those trying to take the credit of the achievements of the Iraqi army. What have they been doing other than building trenches? Where where they in Mosul, Fallujah, Ramadi, Samarra, Tal Afar, Baqubah etc.? Shall I answer. Nowhere.

Let @TheCamelGuy educate you.

A real women talking to idiotic people..about their magpie syndrome..it was clear..like water ....

 

[Indus Pakistan]

hope that you understand arabic...

Nah, mate but I don't understand Arabic. I wish I did but I barely mastered English ...

Ps. Abbreviated translation would be appreciated.

 

[bsruzm]

aliening with the British Empire in order to gain full independence

Sovereignty, Independence is a strong burden, not everybody is capable to carry and is not given but taken.

Apparently, according to you, it was OK to be allied with German unbelievers

Never. It was a disaster and was kept secret until it was too late but either way Brit's would start to invade Arabian peninsula for designing and your oil. The Ottoman Empire is no longer, it's Turkish Republic's turn today.
They have it all now designed and once needed, they can turn (even) Dubai and Abu Dhabi against each other today, note that. Whatever though. I will not reply further.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I am not saying there is no connection.There is. And indeed there have been population movements. But don't tell me please that your not aware that despite some shared links there are differances in the Afghan/Pak population matrix. Just like despite some shared links with India the total matrix in India is differant. Anyway age is catching to me. I accept defeat. Too tired to go on with this lark. All the best.

Just know one thing. I am young. I have absolutely nothing against Pakistan, Pakistanis or least of all Pashtuns who I consider to be the closest people in Pakistan along with Baloch to Arabs due to many reasons. What I have written in the past have been replies and I hope that the same is the case with you. I know that we used to have interesting and cordial discussions before and I think it would not be out of reach for us to have that again. I understand that you might never become the biggest fan of our regimes or some of our faults but that is very much in your own right, however I do invite you to some day challenge does, in my view, misperceptions (as I have argued successfully before IMO) or prejudice. It's getting late here as well (you are 1 hour behind me so it is even more late here) and this post might make little sense. After all tonight has been quite a marathon.

All the best to you as well.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Muslim Punjabis have everything (language, culture, blood) in common with the Sikhs and Hindu Punjabis, except the religion

That is where you are wrong.

Muslim Punjabis do not have anything in common with Sikh or Hindu Punjabis.

Muslim Punjabis have more in common with Muslim Pathans and Muslim Sindhis.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

A real women talking to idiotic people..about their magpie syndrome..it was clear..like water ....

Ceylal, try to be serious for once. Can you please counter (logically) what I wrote. I am happy when I am wrong as I learn something new but you should please provide us all an objective source showing that the Iraqi army has done nothing against ISIS while it was all the work of Kurds. This is contrary to the well-established and objective facts on the ground, I am afraid. I might be living in a parallel universe though which is why I am kindly asking you to enlighten me.

I am able to post all the main battles against ISIS since 2014 in Iraq and Syria and all the data involved in those battles. Wiki is a good start (as they have detailed articles about each battle ranging from the battle of Fallujah - the most recent one) to the Battle of Mosul and countless of others (in fact all major ones). Wiki of course is not a perfect source but the sources used in those articles are genuine enough. Besides we can also agree to use other sources. No problem.

IN fact I will let you decide the rules completely.

I am saying all this because I simply know that this woman is speaking nonsense.

 

[The SC]

I am not saying there is no connection.There is. And indeed there have been population movements. But don't tell me please that your not aware that despite some shared links there are differances in the Afghan/Pak population matrix. Just like despite some shared links with India the total matrix in India is differant. Anyway age is catching to me. I accept defeat. Too tired to go on with this lark. All the best.

Anyway, let's stay on topic..

Didem world record!

Our women have talent all over the Muslim world

 

[Ceylal]

Ceylal, try to be serious for once. Can you please counter (logically) what I wrote. I am happy when I am wrong as I learn something new but you should please provide us all an objective source showing that the Iraqi army has done nothing against ISIS while it was all the work of Kurds. This is contrary to the well-established and objective facts on the ground, I am afraid. I might be living in a parallel universe though which is why I am kindly asking you to enlighten me.

I am able to post all the main battles against ISIS since 2014 in Iraq and Syria and all the data involved in those battles. Wiki is a good start (as they have detailed articles about each battle ranging from the battle of Fallujah - the most recent one) to the Battle of Mosul and countless of others (in fact all major ones). Wiki of course is not a perfect source but the sources used in those articles are genuine enough. Besides we can also agree to use other sources. No problem.

IN fact I will let you decide the rules completely.

I am saying all this because I simply know that this woman is speaking nonsense.

My reply to you, is that you have a delusional disorder..Since you claim that you know french...listen to this..
[video]

https://www.facebook.com/

 

[M. Sarmad]

That is where you are wrong.

Muslim Punjabis do not have anything in common with Sikh or Hindu Punjabis.

Muslim Punjabis have more in common with Muslim Pathans and Muslim Sindhis.

Of course, once Muslim Punjabis had more in common with Muslim Bengalis too, but not anymore

One can change his Nationality (or even religion), but not his ethnicity or race/blood

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Sovereignty, Independence is a strong burden, not everybody is capable to carry and is not given but taken.
Never. It was a disaster and was kept secret until it was too late but either way Brit's would start to invade Arabian peninsula for designing and your oil. The Ottoman Empire is no longer, it's Turkish Republic's turn today.
They have it all now designed and once needed, they can turn (even) Dubai and Abu Dhabi against each other today, note that. Whatever though. I will not reply further.

Yes, you are right. In hindsight Sharif Hussein ibn Ali committed a mistake as the Brits betrayed him and afterwards his rivals (Sauds) conquered him and excelled his immediate family to Syria, Iraq and later Jordan where a branch still rules.

The problem here is that you do not understand that Arabs (the majority of the Ottoman population and controlled lands) were a key component of the Ottoman empire. If the Arabs had decided to rebel or become completely impossible citizens to govern, there would be no Ottoman empire or it would be limited to Western Anatolia and parts of Bulgaria as initially. The Arabs fought alongside the Ottomans in 1517 against the Mamluks in Egypt. Later in Hijaz. For this reason the Ottomans accepted that the Hijazi Hashemties as the continued custodians which continued right until the end. Of course there were failed Ottoman pursuits in Arabia and the wider Arab world (Arabia in particular due to size, difficulty of terrain and other rivals = Portuguese and later Brits).

The Ottoman fall was a disaster from a Muslim perspective (overall) as much as the fall of the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimids, Mughals, Al-Andalus and other great Muslim empires and dynasties that had more positives than negatives.

However you have to recognize, which most Turks themselves recognize (regardless of ethnicity) that the Ottoman empire was falling behind ages before those events 100 years ago. In fact this began 200 years before (almost).

The thing that I don't understand is, in all of this, is that the Turks themselves (read Young Turks) where the ones that started to destroy the Ottoman empire from within and called for its abolishment. Ataturk did the final job after many others than Arabs had rebelled prior (I mentioned Albanians also).

Brits did not design anything my friend. All the current rulers and entities existed before Brits even set foot in Arabia. This is a fact my friend. There was a Kuwait before, there was a Qatar, there was a Oman (one of the oldest nation states in the world), a Yemen (similar) and modern-day KSA made up by many ancient historical regions with Hijaz being the most famous one and the spiritual, religious and to a great deal cultural heartland of the Muslim world. Brits did not do anything other than incorporating coastal Eastern Arabia and Southern Yemen for strategic reasons.

The Sauds that we all love so much where controlling territory stretching from coastal Oman to Jordan and Iraq almost 150 years prior to Brits setting foot in Arabia let alone the region. British/French presence in the Middle East (Near East more precisely) is/was fairly recent.

The first Western colony in the Middle East was Algeria when France invaded in 1830. They stayed until 1962.

Now kindly take a look at when and where the current rulers in the GCC (and previously in Yemen) began to rule. No Western involvement.

Yes, just like Turks turned against each other last year during the coup. However Brits are not needed for that. This was ALWAYS the case in human history. Dynasty against dynasty. All about interests and power. Do you think that there are not power struggles in every regime and country? While we speak it is going on. Have no illusions.

My reply to you, is that you have a delusional disorder..Since you claim that you know french...listen to this..
[video]

https://www.facebook.com/

And what has Algeria to do with the discussion my friend? You did not counter anything that I wrote which only leads me to believe one thing, that you know that you are wrong or simply ignorant about the topic that you have raised.

BTW, I know that you are an ultranationalist Algerian but stop thinking that Arabs on this forum have any bad wishes towards Algeria or our Algerian brothers and sisters. Nothing further from the truth and quite an ridiculous theory.

Did I not just show you, not that long ago, what almost 50 random Algerians had to say about KSA, the Arab world and people to people relations in the thread about KSA's chief of staff's visit to his Algerian colleague?

Stop being so extremely defensive and answer yourself why you have had troll wars with Moroccans, Tunisians, Egyptians (your favorites), Saudi Arabians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Lebanese, earlier Syrians etc.

Why are all the other few Algerian users nowhere acting like you but completely differently? Well, I have a clue and it is rooted in what I am writing to you and other topics that I don't have the energy to discuss here and which we have already discussed previously.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...the-prophets-saws-mosque.498804/#post-9534973

Yes, I understand French and you know that well. However once again, this has nothing to do with your initial video so not sure what I have to comment on.

Once again kindly provide proof to people here that the Iraqi army has failed since August 2014 until today in fighting Daesh contrary to the Kurds. This is simply not true. It is not. I cannot make this more simple. It's like saying that Nazi Germany did not loose the WW2.

BTW, such kind of videos is no different to the propaganda that Algerian Islamists are making when they claim (during the civil war of the 1990's) that all massacres were committed secretly by the army in order to throw people off the Islamist train that they themselves jumped onto (after all the Islamists were elected democratically but the army stepped in). But whatever, Ceylal. Kurds did all the fighting. Arabs sat back and smoke shisha and occasionally blew up.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Just know one thing. I am young. I have absolutely nothing against Pakistan, Pakistanis or least of all Pashtuns who I consider to be the closest people in Pakistan along with Baloch to Arabs due to many reasons. What I have written in the past have been replies and I hope that the same is the case with you. I know that we used to have interesting and cordial discussions before and I think it would not be out of reach for us to have that again. I understand that you might never become the biggest fan of our regimes or some of our faults but that is very much in your own right, however I do invite you to some day challenge does, in my view, misperceptions (as I have argued successfully before IMO) or prejudice. It's getting late here as well (you are 1 hour behind me so it is even more late here) and this post might make little sense. After all tonight has been quite a marathon.

All the best to you as well.

High landers (FATA) like Afridi,Wazir,Mehsud arent related to afghan pashtuns.. infact they have distinct origins.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

High landers (FATA) like Afridi,Wazir,Mehsud arent related to afghan pashtuns.. infact they have distinct origins.

Are you seriously telling me that an Afghan national of Pashtun ethnicity from say Jalalabad (for instance), maybe even belonging to a cross-border Pashtun tribe, next to the, what the 70 year old Pakistani-Afghan border, has no relationship at all to a fellow Pashtun in say Waziristan or FATA in general? Allow me to be highly doubtful of such an claim. In fact I will tell you that I know Pakistanis and Afghans in person that have told me that their ancestors have migrated from each country into the other and vice versa. In other words they have blood ties and family (distant albeit) on both borders. This is very much similar to how it is in the Arab world and Middle East and in fact many border regions of the world.

Or what about an Baloch that lives in Pakistan 3 km away from the Iranian or Afghan border and an Baloch on the opposite sides of the border?

Granted, they are no longer identical (different passports, sometimes different living standards etc.), I get that, but to claim that there is no relationship would be absurd. I don't know if that is indeed the case along the Afghan-Pakistani border but I for sure know that this is NOT the case in the Arab world.

Similarly there is no difference between an Iranian Arab in Al-Ahwaz or Southern Iran and an Arab in nearby Iraq, Kuwait or KSA (Eastern Province). Same people, same tribes, different nationalities. Same story with the Alawites of coastal Syria and the Arabs of Hatay (Turkey).

Similarly same story with the Bosnians of Southwestern Serbia and Herzegovina. Or the Albanians in Montenegro and the Albanians of Northern Albania.

Or the Basques of northwestern France and the Basques of neighboring northern Spain. I can go on.

All the modern-day borders are borders drawn in the sand by humans. Almost all the borders are fairly recent and do not predate ethnic groups and their historical ties to area x or y. In fact the modern-day state is an modern-day European concept. A concept that was understood very much differently in the Muslim world. In Hijaz 400 years ago there was no concept of citizenship only religion and to a smaller degree ethnicity albeit this never was an obstacle from Hajis from all across the world to settle and intermingle. This is just one example.