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Look I have nothing against Arabs. I have enormous respect for Egyptians. Before I go further with this people need to understand differance between ethnic Arabs and linguistic Arabs. most of North Africa has nominal Arab blood but speak Arabic. Ditto for Levant Arabs. Syrians, Lebanese. Then you have Peninsular Arabs [real Arabs] who are swimming on oil and are rich. It's important to umderstand this. The rest are not haughty or arrogant. I have met Egyptians and they tend to be down to earth people.

Tunisians for example are only 4% Arab. Here is pie chart of a Tunisian.

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Lebanese are also nominal Arabs with 56% heritage from other regions including 5% Southern European.


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I could not find a pie chart for Saudia Arabia but below is one for Kuwait which will be similar to some extent with KSA. Although the African influence on KSA is stronger then Kuwait because of geography.


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http://stepfeed.com/dna-analysis-proves-arabs-aren-t-entirely-arab-4864


What this @Saif al-Arab has deluded himself into thinking is that KSA is same as Tunisia or even Lebanon. Wheh that is evidently not the case. Those peoples are not ethnic Arabs but adopted Arabic language post Islamic conquest. This farce about Arabs being cradke of civilization is lot of crock. It was the Sumerians/Mesopotamians/Assyrians and Egyptians who were cradles of civilization. Peninsula Arabia remained aloof from these epic events because of it's geography. Below is a bar chart with KSA in the list and Pakistani populations.

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What amazes me and garners repect is people like Turks here. They are the most European population here and with a fabulous history to go with it and at present are shining stars in military and economic power. People who even hate Turks grudginly give respect to their military and economic prowess coupled with a beautiful country. Yet look at how they act here. I don't detect any arrogance at all. Instead there is this calm but considered discourse from a consolidated position.

And then compare this Saif guy. At every turn he is shafting everybody for no reason. We do it with Indians but we have real political issues and even near war situations. But KSA? Yet he is disparafing everybody and acting like he is from some Scandanavian country. Although most Swedes or Norweigians are the nicest down to earth people you could run into.

I did not read your post expect for the "Tunisians" being only 4% Arab.

Those charts are wrong.

Tunisians are almost 50% Middle Eastern on average and cluster with Middle Easterners. As do all North Africans (Arabs and Berbers alike - related peoples moreover).


Genetic studies on Arabs are part of the population genetics discipline and are used to better understand the chronology of migration provided by research in other fields, such as history, archaeology, and linguistics. These studies investigate the origins of various Arab populations today. In particular, they investigate whether there is a common Arabian genetic heritage among different groups which today self-identify or are identified as Arab.

AtDNA (autosomal DNA) analysis looks at the non-sex chromosomes, which can show the overall extent of the Arabian-origin genetic component in different Arab populations. Y-DNA and mtDNA, on the other hand, look only at the single direct paternal or direct maternal lineage. AtDNA gives information about both the direct paternal, and the direct maternal lineage, plus all other lineages, however, its effectiveness is limited to fewer number of generations.[335] AtDNA among Arab groups outside of the Gulf countries has been shown to range widely from one Arab country to another, indicating more a process of cultural and linguistic replacement than Arabian genetic replacement, or in some cases, even any significant admixture.

In 2017, the largest scale genetic research undertaken into the AtDNA of different Arab groups by National Geographic's Genographic Project showed results indicating that, for instance, Kuwaiti Arabs have 84% of their AtDNA which is Arabian (Kuwait being one of the Gulf countries), the AtDNA of Lebanese Arabs is 44% Arabian (Lebanon being one of the Levantine countries), the AtDNA of Egyptian Arabs is 17% Arabian (Egypt uniquely situated in North Africa but with its large Sinai peninsula, a land bridge, being a part of Asia connecting it to the Levant), and the AtDNA of Tunisian Arabs is only 4% Arabian (Tunisia being one of the Maghreb countries of North Africa).[336][337]

In regards to the Y-DNA and mtDNA, which as mentioned above only looks at the single direct paternal or maternal lineage respectively, various studies have shown Haplogroup J and E1b1b are the most frequent Y-DNA haplogroups in the Arab world.

E1b1b is the most frequent paternal clade among the populations in the western part of the Arab world (Maghreb, Nile Valley and Horn of Africa), whereas haplogroup J is the most frequent paternal clade toward the east (Arabian peninsula and Near East). Other less common haplogroups are R1a, R1b, G, I, L and T.[338][339][340][341][342][343][344][345][346][347][348][349][350]


J-M172

J-M267

E-M215

Listed here are the human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups in Arabian peninsula, Mashriq/Levant, Maghreb and Nile Valley.[351][352][353][354][355][356][357] Yemeni Arabs J(82.3%), E1b1b (12.9%) and E1b1a (3.2%).[358][359] Saudi Arabs J1 (58%), E1b1b(7.6%), E1b1a (7.6%), R1a (5.1%), T (5.1%), G (3.2%) and L (1.9%).[360][361] Emirati Arabs J (45.1%), E1b1b (11.6%), R1a (7.3%), E1b1a (5.5%), T (4.9%), R1b (4.3%) and L (3%).[358] Omani Arabs J (47.9%), E1b1b (15.7%), R1a (9.1%), T (8.3%), E1b1a (7.4%), R1b (1.7%), G (1.7%) and L (0.8%).[362] Qatari Arabs J (66.7%), R1a (6.9%), E1b1b (5.6%), E1b1a (2.8%), G (2.8%) and L (2.8%).[363][364] Lebanese Arabs J (45.2%), E1b1b (25.8%), R1a (9.7%), R1b (6.4%), G, I and I (3.2%), (3.2%), (3.2%).[365] Syrian Arabs J (58.3%),[366][367] E1b1b (12.0%), I (5.0%), R1a (10.0%) and R1b 15.0%.[365][367] Palestinian Arabs J (55.2%), E1b1b (20.3%), R1b (8.4%), I(6.3%), G (7%), R1a and T (1.4%), (1.4%).[368][369] Jordanian Arabs J (43.8%), E1b1b (26%), R1b (17.8%), G (4.1%), I (3.4%) and R1a (1.4%).[370] Iraqi Arabs J (50.6%), E1b1b (10.8%), R1b (10.8%), R1a (6.9%) and T (5.9%).[371][372] Egyptian Arabs E1b1b (36.7%) and J (32%), G (8.8%), T (8.2% R1b (4.1%), E1b1a (2.8%) and I(0.7%).[353][373] Sudanese Arabs J (47.1%), E1b1b (16.3%), R1b (15.7%) and I (3.13%).[374][375] Moroccan Arabs E1b1b (75.5%) and J1 (20.4%).[376][377] Tunisian ArabsE1b1b (49.3%), J1 (35.8%), R1b (6.8%) and E1b1a (1.4%).[378] Algerian Arabs E1b1b (54%), J1 (35%), R1b (13%).[378] Libyan Arabs E1b1b (35.88%), J (30.53%), E1b1a (8.78%), G (4.20%), R1a/R1b (3.43%) and E (1.53%).[379][380]

The mtDNA haplogroup J has been observed at notable frequencies among overall populations in the Arab world.[381] The maternal clade R0 reaches its highest frequency in the Arabian peninsula,[382] while K and T(specifically subclade T2) is more common in the Levant.[381] In the Nile Valley and Horn of Africa, haplogroups N1and M1;[382] in the Maghreb, haplogroups H1 and U6 are more significant.[383]

There are four principal West Eurasian autosomal DNA components that characterize the populations in the Arab world: the Arabian, Levantine, Coptic and Maghrebi components.

The Arabian component is the main autosomal element in the Persian Gulf region. It is most closely associated with local Arabic-speaking populations.[356] The Arabian component is also found at significant frequencies in parts of the Levant and Northeast Africa.[356][384] The geographical distribution pattern of this component correlates with the pattern of the Islamic expansion, but its presence in Lebanese Christians, Sephardi and Ashkenazi Jews, Cypriots and Armenians might suggest that its spread to the Levant could also represent an earlier event.[356]

The Levantine component is the main autosomal element in the Near East and Caucasus. It peaks among Druze populations in the Levant. The Levantine component diverged from the Arabian component about 15,500–23,700 ypb.[356]

The Coptic component is the main autosomal element in Northeast Africa. It peaks among Egyptian Copts in Sudan, and is also found at high frequencies among other Afro-Asiatic-speaking populations in the Nile Valley and Horn of Africa.[385] The Coptic component is roughly equivalent with the Ethio-Somali component.[386]

The Maghrebi component is the main autosomal element in the Maghreb. It peaks among the non-Arabized Berber populations in the region.[384] The Maghrebi component diverged from the Coptic/Ethio-Somali, Arabian and Levantine components prior to the Holocene.[384][386]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs#Genetics

DNA results of average 334 Tunisians:

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/tunisie/dna-results

For instance I cluster closely with over 30 Tunisians on Family Tree DNA ranging from Tunis to Sfax and Beja.

Those are National Geographic charts. The same charts that show Iran as being almost 60% "Arabian".

Here you go:

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https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations-next-gen/

So now we know that Tunisians are only 4% Arab (why not 3.5% or 4.5%?) while Iranians are 56% Arabia. Damn.

Check out the Google sheet that I posted. That is genuine data. Take it from someone who knows what he is talking about.

BTW I just saw that the DNA chart that you posted shows that Saudi Arabians score some of the highest "Mediterranean" component on that list contrary to what you are seemingly writing yourself. Dude, just admit that you have close to no knowledge about DNA or human genetics in comparison let alone the history of the Near East or Arab world, including Arabia, a key component of that region and its history and legacy.


May I refer to this factual post that you for some "strange" reason ignored. Post 32, for anyone interested:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/uae-minister-enters-guinness-book-of-records.516715/page-3
 
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Okay here is extract from a academic paper.

"The Tunisian samples cluster together with the Berber groups from Morocco and Algeria, in agreement with recent works based on other genetic data.26, 27, 28 The close genetic relationship of the two Arab-speaking populations with the Berber-speaking samples could be explained assuming a small number of Arabs coming from the Arabian Peninsula, as compared with that of the autochthonous Berbers, resulting in a weak Arab genetic influence in the current mixed North Africans.

In conclusion, the results discussed here allow us to postulate that the general ancient genetic profile of the native North Africans—the Berbers—is not very different from that of the present-day North African populations, despite some admixture with other peoples, particularly Arabs, during successive historical periods. The populations of the Maghreb seem to share a substantial genetic background, regardless of culture and geography.

http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v55/n12/full/jhg2010120a.html?foxtrotcallback=true

Tunisians look more similar to Turks then Saudis. You keep using the term "Middle Easterner" what the hell is that? There is no one Middle Eastern race. Are you suggesting a Omani, Yemani, Labanese and Syrian are the same?
 
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What is wrong with being young?

No, they are not, as they are closely tied to the Arab one (GCC and others) which you yourself have admitted. However what I find very strange is why some of you Erdogan supporters change opinions overnight. At first Al-Assad was the most evil person in the world and now he is OK because Erdogan's policy in Syria failed (read Kurds). 6 months ago there was not a limit to the praise of KSA and suddenly because KSA/GCC/Egypt/most Arab countries and Qatar (current leadership) had a dispute, you changed opinions dramatically. 1 year ago Iran was the enemy (I can find many of your posts pointing to that) and now you are trying to get the attention of Arab users here by pretending to love the Mullah's. Come on, is that what you call maturity? You know well what I mean here.
I once said here, I personally choose a Persian anyday over a British so nothing has changed. I still dislike Egyptian government. I still stand against Khaleeji support to such guy but well, Egyptian-Turkish relations are different than Turkish-Khaleeji relations. Our stand is still the same towards Assad as we still support the Syrian opposition.

"The Syrian opposition emphasized that they will gain new victories against the PKK, Daesh and Assad, adding, "Our sole purpose is to work for the interests of the Syrian people and their future. We will not be involved in projects that do not include Turkey.”

Spokesmen of Usud al-Sharqiya and Forces of Martyr Ahmad al-Abdo said that the U.S. issued a direct threat and “The U.S. is explicitly pressuring us to ‘betray the revolution.’."

US threatens Syrian opposition to join PKK/PYD


Then a fight with full support of United States (that mercilessly slaughtered many innocent Arabs, raped Arab women, children, beat elderly Arabic people) against Iran is a disaster for everybody in region. I would never let that happen.

You haven't seen Turkish side or Turkish FM doing any of these:

Lastly, UAE FM called us as colonial. I see no New Ankara instead of Abu Dhabi or New Izmir instead of Dubai. You don't know Turkish language as well. Then all these falsified Armenian Genocide Memorial visit, talks of support to YPG, means PKK etc. Do we deserve such hostility? Are you that traitorous? All we did, was sending our personnel to Qatar, another Arabic nation and the most brotherly and closest one to other Khaleeji's then objecting to a stupid, tribal fight with Iran. Also you always bring that we stole Caliphate from Arabs but well, read some Quran:

"If you turn away, He will replace you with another people; then they will not be the likes of you." Surah Muhammad 47:38

There isn't anything stolen, subhanallah. I checked, I am anything but the likes of you :D


Why are you offended , these were Turkish news from a Turkish retired General..
I am not offended, he isn't mistaken but these aren't stuff that we can not handle. I don't care the rest you wrote, I didn't read.
 
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What is wrong with being young?

No, they are not, as they are closely tied to the Arab one (GCC and others) which you yourself have admitted. However what I find very strange is why some of you Erdogan supporters change opinions overnight. At first Al-Assad was the most evil person in the world and now he is OK because Erdogan's policy in Syria failed (read Kurds). 6 months ago there was not a limit to the praise of KSA and suddenly because KSA/GCC/Egypt/most Arab countries and Qatar (current leadership) had a dispute, you changed opinions dramatically. 1 year ago Iran was the enemy (I can find many of your posts pointing to that) and now you are trying to get the attention of Arab users here by pretending to love the Mullah's. Come on, is that what you call maturity? You know well what I mean here.

We Arab users do not change opinions like that. Our "adversary" in the region remain the Iranian Arab Mullah's that rule Iran as long as they are doing what they are doing in the region. Israel another annoyance, certainly for the people. As for Turkey, no hostility maybe expect certain policies of Erdogan that are harmful for himself, his country and the region.
yeah america ,eu and idiot saudi king take down Muhammed mursi and bring sisi thts why our policy changed dramatically we will cooperate iran because both country oppose 2.israel project(Kurdistan) in our region .
 
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We have nothing in common with Sikhs. Sikhs may have some of their holy sites in Pakistan, but we Pakistanis have nothing in common with Sikhs.

Muslim Punjabis have everything (language, culture, blood) in common with the Sikhs and Hindu Punjabis, except the religion
 
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Jamaicans, Irish, British, Burmuda, Trinidadians, Afro-Americans, Scots all speak English but it does not mean they are the same ethnic groups. Ditto for Arab speakers. Some Somalis, many Sudanese speak Arabic but by hell they don't look nothing like Lebanese swirling on the Cornich in Beirut swinging to French songs.
 
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Okay here is extract from a academic paper.

"The Tunisian samples cluster together with the Berber groups from Morocco and Algeria, in agreement with recent works based on other genetic data.26, 27, 28 The close genetic relationship of the two Arab-speaking populations with the Berber-speaking samples could be explained assuming a small number of Arabs coming from the Arabian Peninsula, as compared with that of the autochthonous Berbers, resulting in a weak Arab genetic influence in the current mixed North Africans.

In conclusion, the results discussed here allow us to postulate that the general ancient genetic profile of the native North Africans—the Berbers—is not very different from that of the present-day North African populations, despite some admixture with other peoples, particularly Arabs, during successive historical periods. The populations of the Maghreb seem to share a substantial genetic background, regardless of culture and geography.

http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v55/n12/full/jhg2010120a.html?foxtrotcallback=true

Tunisians look more similar to Turks then Saudis. You keep using the term "Middle Easterner" what the hell is that? There is no one Middle Eastern race. Are you suggesting a Omani, Yemani, Labanese and Syrian are the same?

Reread my post. According to your source Iran is 56% Arabia (Arab) while Tunisia is only 4.5% Arab despite a well-recorded history of numerous Arab migrations and previously other Semitic migrations (Phoenicians and Hannibal Barca says hello) who originated from the same geographical region as the Arabs (Near East). Practically every single Tunisians has a large degree of Arab ancestry as has almost every North African. Most of North Africa west of Libya is Arab-Berber or Berber-Arab.

Berbers and Arabs are closely related people btw.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Berber

No, Tunisians do not look closer to Turks than fellow Arabs. Are you joking? I honestly believe that you have not seen a single Tunisian in your life. I don't blame you as there are probably not a single Tunisian in Pakistan and not many in the UK where you live.



Average Tunisians:



Sure, they look nothing like other Arabs at all.

In fact there is nothing called Arabs, Semites, Middle Easterners and in fact people living in the same geographical area with almost everything in common are martians when compared to each other.

See post 32 for proof.

Come on. That's like saying that a Pashtun across the border in Afghanistan (who by a chance did not become an Pakistan or vice versa - it could be you in theory - maybe your forefathers even migrated from modern-day Afghanistan) has nothing to do with each other or an Saudi Arabian and an Iraqi.


As for Turks, I know a lot of Turks who look like the average Arab, in particular those from Southern Turkey which is not really that surprising considering geography, history, dna etc. In fact Arabs in Turkey are one of the largest ethnic groups and their presence in Anatolia predates the Turkic migrations. Go read about it if you don't believe me.
 
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Nothing new, this thread turned into another different one because a Pakistani gay adopted by a British family and another sickular Anatolian who want to discuss something isn't related by anyhow to the topic.
 
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Look I have nothing against Arabs. I have enormous respect for Egyptians. Before I go further with this people need to understand differance between ethnic Arabs and linguistic Arabs. most of North Africa has nominal Arab blood but speak Arabic. Ditto for Levant Arabs. Syrians, Lebanese. Then you have Peninsular Arabs [real Arabs] who are swimming on oil and are rich. It's important to umderstand this. The rest are not haughty or arrogant. I have met Egyptians and they tend to be down to earth people.

Tunisians for example are only 4% Arab. Here is pie chart of a Tunisian.

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Lebanese are also nominal Arabs with 56% heritage from other regions including 5% Southern European.


capture-jpg-700x.jpg




I could not find a pie chart for Saudia Arabia but below is one for Kuwait which will be similar to some extent with KSA. Although the African influence on KSA is stronger then Kuwait because of geography.


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http://stepfeed.com/dna-analysis-proves-arabs-aren-t-entirely-arab-4864


What this @Saif al-Arab has deluded himself into thinking is that KSA is same as Tunisia or even Lebanon. Wheh that is evidently not the case. Those peoples are not ethnic Arabs but adopted Arabic language post Islamic conquest. This farce about Arabs being cradke of civilization is lot of crock. It was the Sumerians/Mesopotamians/Assyrians and Egyptians who were cradles of civilization. Peninsula Arabia remained aloof from these epic events because of it's geography. Below is a bar chart with KSA in the list and Pakistani populations.

srep35837-f1.jpg



What amazes me and garners repect is people like Turks here. They are the most European population here and with a fabulous history to go with it and at present are shining stars in military and economic power. People who even hate Turks grudginly give respect to their military and economic prowess coupled with a beautiful country. Yet look at how they act here. I don't detect any arrogance at all. Instead there is this calm but considered discourse from a consolidated position.

And then compare this Saif guy. At every turn he is shafting everybody for no reason. We do it with Indians but we have real political issues and even near war situations. But KSA? Yet he is disparaging everybody and acting like he is from some Scandanavian country. Although most Swedes or Norweigians are the nicest down to earth people you could run into.
Here what a kurdish women says about the ARABS, style of the saudi pdf with a thousand and one account....
[video] hope that you understand arabic...
 
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Nothing new, this thread turned into another different one because a Pakistani gay adopted by a British family and another sickular Anatolian who want to discuss something isn't related by anyhow to the topic.
why dont blame your friend racist postso_O
 
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