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U S says The Taliban are not Terrorists

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This was all the part of American plan, they were waiting for us to initiate this operation so that all the attentions of taliban would be directed towards our country meanwhile leaving the field to get the redemption of what they have done over there. This is all actually their plan, firstly they armed these terrorists and then launched war against them and then very smartly turned its direction towards our country to further destabilize the region. Now they will going to do the same with the ISIS as well.
 
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Sir,

This was expected from you (denial). Last i checked US was here to dismantle and cripple the capacity of Terrorists to wage attack on mainland Or its interest. I failed to see how you say that youve have achieved what you were looking for unless of course a shift in policy after fateful defeat forced you to re consider your options (defeatist approach).

Secondly, Please spare us from your ignorance of No budget constraints and power to project. I can literally post you hundred of articles on the reduced power projection capability caused by budget constraints due to weak economic condition and two major failed wars that caused around trillions or so for that matter.

in fact you can search it on PDF about troubles your army is facing, its just terrible. Programs have been delayed, their fundings cut back with global planned reduction in the size of the armed forces. These are just a examples from the list.

See answers to your bullets below:
1) we did that. AQ destroyed for the majority of the part. OBL killed along with hundreds of his leaders and captured terrorists in numbers.
3) There "WERE" budget constraints when the entire globe was going through the financial crisis from 2008-2012. Last year, the US economy grow more than the past 30 years. That's huge and with that, funding and all is back in line. Temporary glitches doesn't mean that someone has a permanent issue with a situation. Interesting enough, while we were going through such financial crises, we still manage to give Pakistan billions in aid. Just fyi, the US had provided Pakistan with more aid over Pakistan's life than ALL aid provided by Muslim and non-Muslim countries. 70 years of aid and attempts to friendship are neglected so much that its sad. At the end, a dog having Dierdre is America's fault. Let alone other bigger and serious issues.

Google future weapons, we are building so much of those, Stealth, Laser, Next Gen Missiles, Super Carriers (each of them cost way over a couple of billions, just for the ship), Hypersonic vehicles and the list goes on for hours. These things should tell you how financially "weak" we are lol

This was all the part of American plan, they were waiting for us to initiate this operation so that all the attentions of taliban would be directed towards our country meanwhile leaving the field to get the redemption of what they have done over there. This is all actually their plan, firstly they armed these terrorists and then launched war against them and then very smartly turned its direction towards our country to further destabilize the region. Now they will going to do the same with the ISIS as well.


HERE we go. As always all failures in Pakistan are America's fault. YET, we've given you more aid over the life of your country that way more than combine aid given to you by all of your Muslim and non-Muslim friends. How convenient.

You started mission so late because the threat of terrorism wasn't clicking with you. Terrorists are NOT any strategic depth. We've been saying this and asking you guys to do this operation since 2002....you guys are finally getting it in 2015. And that 13 years of delay is our fault??? When we asked you back then to do this operation, it was the same anthem, its the Americans plan to destroy our strategic depth. Then, these Terrorists killed thousands of your own people and soldiers (something we told you was coming and to prevent it). Now, all hell's broken lose and you guys are finally getting the picture and trying to take these terrorists out. BUT YET, even that delay in mental processing is America's fault. What a bunch of B.S and denial!!
If your leaders can take responsibility, specially the military ones, you'd have Hawkeye's since the 80's, a lot of F-16's, A-10's, potentially Patriots, Abrams and advanced Cobras (and advanced engines, missiles and avionic for the JFT). But, because of the failure (many, many times) to align a the right time and make the right decisions, you are where you are. But its nothing against you, its all America's fault!!

@MastanKhan : what' your take on these posts? I am getting "its all America's plan and its all America's fault". I've seen you write extremely well about all these pointy issues. Please chime in.
 
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This was all the part of American plan, they were waiting for us to initiate this operation so that all the attentions of taliban would be directed towards our country meanwhile leaving the field to get the redemption of what they have done over there. This is all actually their plan, firstly they armed these terrorists and then launched war against them and then very smartly turned its direction towards our country to further destabilize the region. Now they will going to do the same with the ISIS as well.

Looking to today the American policy on Afghanistan is simple.

It is all down to creating the long term goal of having partners that will allow USA to

a.) exploit Afghanistan's mineral wealth.
b.) listening post against China & Russia (and possibly Pakistan)
c.) sustaining the pipe-dream called "TAPI"


with that said - we need to balance our relations with USA and where interests converge we need to still work with them as we have been doing...this of course will be contingent upon how much the US accommodates india and turns a blind eye against anti-Pakistan activity (in Afghanistan and elsewhere)
 
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come again??



Bush, Enron, UNOCAL and the Taliban

by Tom Turnipseed


The Bush Administration’s entanglement with ENRON is beginning to unravel as it finally admits that Enron executives entered the White House six times last year to secretly plan the Administration’s energy policy with Vice-President Cheney before the collapse of the Texas-based energy giant. Meanwhile, even more trouble for our former-Texas-oil-man-turned-President is brewing with reports that unveil UNOCAL, another big energy company, for being in bed with the Taliban, along with the U.S. government in a major, continuing effort to construct pipelines through Afghanistan from the petroleum-rich Caspian Basin in Central Asia. Beneath their burkas, UNOCAL is being exposed for giving the five star treatment to Taliban Mullahs in the Lone Star State in 1997. The “evil-ones” were also invited to meet with U.S. government officials in Washington, D.C.

According to a December 17, 1997 article in the British paper, The Telegraph, headlined, “Oil barons court Taliban in Texas,” the Taliban was about to sign a “?2 billion contract with an American oil company to build a pipeline across the war-torn country. … The Islamic warriors appear to have been persuaded to close the deal, not through delicate negotiation but by old-fashioned Texan hospitality. … Dressed in traditional salwar khameez,Afghan waistcoats and loose, black turbans, the high-ranking delegation was given VIP treatment during the four-day stay.”

At the same time, U.S. government documents reveal that the Taliban were harboring Osama bin Laden as their “guest” since June 1996. By then, bin Laden had: been expelled by Sudan in early 1996 in response to US insistence and the threat of UN sanctions; publicly declared war against the U.S. on or about August 23, 1996; pronounced the bombings in Riyadh and at Khobar in Saudi Arabia killing 19 US servicemen as ‘praiseworthy terrorism’, promising that other attacks would follow in November 1996 and further admitted carrying out attacks on U.S. military personnel in Somalia in 1993 and Yemen in 1992, declaring that “we used to hunt them down in Mogadishu”; stated in an interview broadcast in February 1997 that “if someone can kill an American soldier, it is better than wasting time on other matters.” Evidence was also developing which linked bin Laden to: the 1995 bombing of a U.S. military barracks in Riyadh which killed five; Ramzi Yuosef, who led the 1993 World Trade Center attacks; and a 1994 assassination plot against President Clinton in the Philippines.

Back in Houston, the Taliban was learning how the “other half lives,” and according to The Telegraph, “stayed in a five-star hotel and were chauffeured in a company minibus.” The Taliban representatives “…were amazed by the luxurious homes of Texan oil barons. Invited to dinner at the palatial home of Martin Miller, a vice-president of Unocal, they marveled at his swimming pool, views of the golf course and six bathrooms.” Mr. Miller, said he hoped that UNOCAL had clinched the deal.

Dick Cheney was then CEO of Haliburton Corporation, a pipeline services vendor based in Texas. Gushed Cheney in 1998, “I can’t think of a time when we’ve had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian. It’s almost as if the opportunities have arisen overnight. The good Lord didn’t see fit to put oil and gas only where there are democratically elected regimes friendly to the United States. Occasionally we have to operate in places where, all things considered, one would not normally choose to go. But we go where the business is.” Would Cheney bargain with the harborers of U.S. troop killers if that’s where the business was?

The Telegraph reported that Unocal had promised to start building the pipeline and paying the Taliban immediately, with the added inducements and a donation of ?500,000 to the University of Nebraska for courses in Afghanistan to train 400 teachers, electricians, carpenters and pipefitters.

The Telegraph also reported, “The US government, which in the past has branded the Taliban’s policies against women and children “despicable”, appears anxious to please the fundamentalists to clinch the lucrative pipeline contract.” In a paper prepared by Neamatollah Nojumi, at the Tufts University Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Nojumi wrote in August 1997 that Madeline Albright sat in a “full-dress CIA briefing” on the Caspian region. CIA agents then accompanied “some well-trained petroleum engineers” to the region. Albright concluded that shaping the region’s policies was “one of the most exciting things that we can do.”

It’s also exciting to the Bush Administration. According to the authors of Bin Laden, the Hidden Truth, one of the FBI’s leading counter terrorism agents, John O’Neill, resigned last year in protest over the Bush Administration’s alleged obstruction of his investigation into bin Laden. (A similar complaint has been filed on behalf of another unidentified FBI Agent by the conservative Judicial Watch public interest group.) Supposedly the Bush Administration had been meeting since January 2001 with the Taliban, and was also reluctant to offend Saudi Arabians who O’Neill had linked to bin Laden. Mr. O’Neill, after leaving the FBI, assumed the position of security director at the World Trade Center, where he was killed in the 911 attacks.

As America’s New War now begins focusing on other “rogue nations,” UNOCAL’s stars have magically aligned. About two months after the Houston parties, UNOCAL executive John Maresca addressed the House Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific and urged support for establishment of an investor-friendly climate in Afghanistan, “… we have made it clear that construction of our proposed pipeline cannot begin until a recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders and our company.” Meaning that UNOCAL’s ability to construct the Afghan pipeline was a cause worthy of U.S. taxpayer dollars.

Maresca’s prayers have been answered with the Taliban’s replacement. As reported in Le Monde, the new Afghan government’s head, Hamid Karzai, formerly served as a UNOCAL consultant. Only nine days after Karzai’s ascension, President Bush nominated another UNOCAL consultant and former Taliban defender, Zalmay Khalilzad, as his special envoy to Afghanistan.

When UNOCAL makes big bucks from the pipeline they should donate 50% of all pretax profits to the 911 Fund. And they should also cut a very special check to the widow of FBI Agent O’Neill.

Allah bhala kary.. so there was no al-qaeeda connection with Taliban, up until than.
Aynway... Taliban leader had a good press conference in the end.
 
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Taliban Are Not Terrorists, or So Says the White House

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Taliban Are Not Terrorists, or So Says the White House (ABC News)
They act like terrorists, they regularly kill civilians like terrorists, but the White House does not consider the Afghan Taliban to be a terrorist group.
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“They do carry out tactics that are akin to terrorism. They do pursue terror attacks in an effort to try to advance their agenda,” White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest explained today, but “they have a different classification.”
Semantics aside, the Taliban is suspected in multiple attacks over just the last 48 hours that have killed more than 30 people, including a suicide bombing attack on a funeral in Afghanistan today that killed 16 and wounded 39.
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Even so, the White House does not call the Afghan Taliban a terrorist organization, Earnest explained, because they are “different than an organization like al Qaeda that has a much broader global aspiration to carry out acts of violence and acts of terror against Americans and American interests all around the globe.”
The issue has come up because the White House insisted on Wednesday that a prisoner exchange between Jordan and ISIS would be different than the prisoner exchange the United States made last year with the Taliban to gain the release of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.
“Our policy is that we don't pay ransom. We don't give concessions to terrorist organizations,” Deputy Press Secretary Eric Schultz said Wednesday. “This is a longstanding policy that predates this administration. And it's also one that we've communicated to our friends and allies across the world.”
Schultz explained that the exchange the United States made with the Taliban -- releasing five Taliban prisoners from the Guantanamo Bay detention facility in exchange for the release of Sgt. Bergdahl -- was consistent with that policy because the Taliban is an “armed insurgency” and not a terrorist organization.
But the Obama administration isn’t entirely consistent on this point.
On one hand, the Afghan Taliban are not on the State Department’s list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations (the Pakistan Taliban is on that last). On the other hand, the Taliban is on the Treasury Department’s list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists, a classification that allows their assets to be frozen.
And even as Earnest was explaining why the Taliban are not terrorists, he slipped, calling them ... “terrorists.”
“We have not ruled out that there would be some situations in which U.S. service members would still carry out operations in self-defense against the Taliban or other terrorists who are operating in Afghanistan,” Earnest said.

Pakistan says LET and JUD are not terrorist.Same way US says that TT is not terrorist. what is wrong?
 
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Pakistan says LET and JUD are not terrorist.Same way US says that TT is not terrorist. what is wrong?

Hi,

The difference is that we did not change our stance---the U S changed it after killing a million afghans and after leaving Afghanistan.

Afghan Taliban were and are freedom fighters---their nation was conquered and captured by an outside force---. If afghan Taliban are terrorists then the American founding fathers were also terrorists to have stood up against the british.

The americans have used and abused the term of terrorists---every nation was black mailed into using this term by diplomatic pressure against those who stood upto aggression.
 
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@MastanKhan

If Afghan Taliban try to topple the government and take up power
US will change its position once again

A taliban take over means return of Al qaeda and ISIS in Afghanistan
 
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They Tried to Warn Us: Foreign Intelligence Warnings Before 9/11

@Abu Zolfiqar @Viper0011.

One of the 9/11 bombers was under FBI surveillance. CIA didn't pass the intel to FBI. So was it Pakistan fault your agencies screwed up badly ?

Hi,

Before you get into why U S did not react---you need to understand the mindset of the powers to be in the top echelons. First of all no one thought the twin towers would g down like that---remember the Bruce Willis movie----.

They did react---by doing nothing and let it happen.

Then---3000 deaths were nothing to the amount of money that was to be made with all these contracts and who cares about the ragheads or towel heads---what is a million or two less of them.
 
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@Viper0011., a friendly advice to you, don't be disappointed, and don't take conspiracies, hatred and unbalanced opinions to heart. Whenever you come across conspiracies, just laugh and laugh as loud as you can, try to enjoy them.

The fact is, Saudi Arabia, China and United States are very important countries for Pakistan. The most powerful person in this country is Chief of the Army Staff General Raheel Sharif, he visited Saudi Arabia for two days, paid a visit to China for two days, but he went to United States for seven-day official visit, but ended up staying there for more than two weeks.

That should give you a hint how important Pak/US relations are.

Cheers.

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come again??
You made a false/incorrect statement, (TTP has openly sworn allegiance to Abu Bakr) I just corrected you.

And I ask you a question, you failed to answer it.

Why was it so hard for you to understand? :D
 
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CIA didn't tell anyone about 11 bombers training and taking flying lessons on american soil. Touche isn't it

The U.S. has PLENTY of foreign nationals here training to fly. Pakistan had only ONE Bin Laden.
 
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