U S says The Taliban are not Terrorists

[Viper0011.]

Hi, How different are these Talibans from mujahideen? i wonder, is there some kind of special tag or something to distinguish?

The fact that you abandoned this region after Soviet invasion we had to chain em one way the other, and when you were back again after 9/11 we can see again history repeating itself.

Lets face it ! The great american super power cant rein in these bandits and this move is more of a facing save one

The Munahedeen fought against the Soviets. The Soviet Union broke down. Afghanistan remained. The issue was done four decades ago. You think these 28-30 year old terrorist captured and kill in the Af-Pak region are those old Mujahedeen? NO!!! This was the next breed 3-4 generations after the Mujahedeen.
The only old people in there were key leaders. They wanted Jihad and all. Turned the Soviet based militant movement into global Jihad ( Al Qaeda) and your country is the most torn by it, and you want me to explain this? The conversion of these old militants from "freeing our land from the Russians" to let's take over the world for Islam, isn't the US's fault. This is a result of Maddrasaas and Mullahs spreading hate, and the Pak Army considering it a "strategic depth" even after losing thousands from these people. And you'll (as always) blame your own incompetences on the Americans !! How convenient !!

 

[Menace2Society]

Enemy killed, mission accomplished, great job done by the US military and now time to bring our boys and girls home!

What planet are you living on. The Afghanistan campaign is a military debacle. Only Kabul has been secured.

The phantom menace OBL "killed" and body dumped into the ocean without any proof.

US has failed to gain a solid footing on the door of the sub continent and now is turning to India in desperation.

With all the think tanks US have they didn't think this one through.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

The Munahedeen fought against the Soviets. The Soviet Union broke down. Afghanistan remained. The issue was done four decades ago. You think these 28-30 year old terrorist captured and kill in the Af-Pak region are those old Mujahedeen? NO!!! This was the next breed 3-4 generations after the Mujahedeen.
The only old people in there were key leaders. They wanted Jihad and all. Turned the Soviet based militant movement into global Jihad ( Al Qaeda) and your country is the most torn by it, and you want me to explain this? The conversion of these old militants from "freeing our land from the Russians" to let's take over the world for Islam, isn't the US's fault. This is a result of Maddrasaas and Mullahs spreading hate, and the Pak Army considering it a "strategic depth" even after losing thousands from these people. And you'll (as always) blame your own incompetences on the Americans !! How convenient !!

the US would at times press Pakistan to "do more" about people who went to fight ANA and ISAF forces but never asked WHY people got radicalized.....regrettably the US did little to alleviate Pakistan's legitimate security grievances (i.e. indian and Northern alliance support to terrorist groups targeting Pakistan soil)

on a strategic level the US and Pakistan shared and still do share common objectives...but there are many areas where the interests are divergent, if not outright clashing. But that's nothing new and not out of the ordinary

What planet are you living on. The Afghanistan campaign is a military debacle. Only Kabul has been secured.

The phantom menace OBL "killed" and body dumped into the ocean without any proof.

US has failed to gain a solid footing on the door of the sub continent and now is turning to India in desperation.

With all the think tanks US have they didn't think this one through.

problem in America is that the White House, State Dept. Pentagon, CIA FBI -- nobody on the same page

Obama is a lame-duck president....probably will go down in history as the most useless and least effective

 

[Viper0011.]

What planet are you living on. The Afghanistan campaign is a military debacle. Only Kabul has been secured.

The phantom menace OBL "killed" and body dumped into the ocean without any proof.

US has failed to gain a solid footing on the door of the sub continent and now is turning to India in desperation.

With all the think tanks US have they didn't think this one through.

Wow, you guys smoke stuff in there that's obviously anti reality. Let's do a quick check:
1: We just needed a base to launch our military campaign from to kill terrorist. We weren't there to "secure" a country or take a mess like Afghanistan over. We needed to eliminate Al Qaeda and kill OBL, all done as planned!!
2: why would we need to give anyone proof???? We got attacked, we asked the criminals to be handed over, the Talibans gave us bullshiit about how they have to protect OBL as he was a "guest", we repeated it many time and then came the military action. Enemy killed, AQ decimated and objectives achieved. What more is there for us?
3: The US acts at will, if we were to attack any place tomorrow, you can be rest assured it will happen the way we want it. The entry to "sub continent" isn't through two messed up places like Afghanistan and Pakistan. It's through India, whom we do billions of trade with.....don't you worry. Get your own house fixed than trying to sound smart on American strategies, we've been doing these things for over a Century, trust me, we know how it works!!!

problem in America is that the White House, State Dept. Pentagon, CIA FBI -- nobody on the same page

Obama is a lame-duck president....probably will go down in history as the most useless and least effective

We got attacked and our citizens got killed. I don't think we cared or still care to know "why people got radicalized". People should have the sense to live in the world and not do terrorism, simple is that. We were there to capture and kill our enemies who attacked us. What they thought, ate, talked or whatever, wasn't our business to deal with. This wasn't a honey moon trip. It was a war with objectives to kill and capture the criminals, and our military did that.

As always, it's all America's fault to you, no matter how messed up people inside Afghanistan or Pakistan are with regards to violence. Pakistan, otherwise is a heaven on Earth with love to humanity

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Wow, you guys smoke stuff in there that's obviously anti reality. Let's do a quick check:
1: We just needed a base to launch our military campaign from to kill terrorist. We weren't there to "secure" a country or take a mess like Afghanistan over. We needed to eliminate Al Qaeda and kill OBL, all done as planned!!
2: why would we need to give anyone proof???? We got attacked, we asked the criminals to be handed over, the Talibans gave us bullshiit about how they have to protect OBL as he was a "guest", we repeated it many time and then came the military action. Enemy killed, AQ decimated and objectives achieved. What more is there for us?

explain why your arms and clandestine support (not so clandestine anymore) are going towards armed groups in Syria....you did the same in Libya, you know what happened in Ben Ghazi just months later

Get your own house fixed than trying to sound smart on American strategies, we've been doing these things for over a Century, trust me, we know how it works!!!

that's what you said in 2001 and we see how far that got you....

We got attacked and our citizens got killed.

You had the means to stop the attacks since the intel was there (as per Condoleeza Rice) and yet no action was taken.....wonder why

I don't think we cared or still care to know "why people got radicalized". People should have the sense to live in the world and not do terrorism, simple us that. We were there to capture and kill our enemies who attacked us. What they thought, ate, talked or whatever, wasn't our business to deal with. This wasn't a honey moon trip. It was a war with objectives to kill and capture the criminals, and out military did that.

addressing the symptoms but not the cause...again - defeat in Afghanistan cant come as a surprise

As always, it's all America's fault to you, no matter how messed up people inside Afghanistan or Pakistan are with regards to violence. Pakistan, otherwise heaven on Earth with love to humanity

we have our fair share of issues, but wherever America engages in mis-adventures - they screw up entire regions

if you are worried about violence go do something closer to home - like securing your border with Mexico

 

[salarsikander]

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The Munahedeen fought against the Soviets. The Soviet Union broke down. Afghanistan remained. The issue was done four decades ago. You think these 28-30 year old terrorist captured and kill in the Af-Pak region are those old Mujahedeen? NO!!! This was the next breed 3-4 generations after the Mujahedeen.
The only old people in there were key leaders. They wanted Jihad and all. Turned the Soviet based militant movement into global Jihad ( Al Qaeda) and your country is the most torn by it, and you want me to explain this? The conversion of these old militants from "freeing our land from the Russians" to let's take over the world for Islam, isn't the US's fault. This is a result of Maddrasaas and Mullahs spreading hate, and the Pak Army considering it a "strategic depth" even after losing thousands from these people. And you'll (as always) blame your own incompetences on the Americans !! How convenient !!

Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

Allow me to explain and broaden your Vision , you seem to be looking at this matter from a very narow vision/Perspective.
The reason why US will always get blamed is When you came to Afghanistan to train and fund these Barbarians you were just looking at a very small picture.With soviet defeated. You thought Job was done. Bravo ! applauds, bring our boys back yeah!

The madness didnt stop there. For every force you apply there is an equal opposite reaction (or something like that). This triggered a chain-reaction which you realized by paying the price of 2 downed buildings and Two major wars which drained your economy.

Its not simple that you just train a guy and leave him just like that , what you created was a horrible killing machine. Afghans learned it the hard way. They were just a little pawn in great strategic game. after the war was done you guys were supposed to engage locally to negate the effects of negative publicity from this operation. You could have done a lot more that just creating future terror camps, School, medical facilities, Industries, Hell we both know how you could have transform it from a god forsaken place to a truly fully functional state.

Leaving a country in a mess was the greatest of all yourmistakes, all those who opposed you got a chance to further spread their venom and fuel the fire of taking over infidels. The effects of soveit invasion are being felt today and will be felt for the long time to come.


This give us the impression that yet again when we are on verge of dismantling their network. US as always, is turning their back on their responsibilities. Local Mullas and mdarsaash have great excuse to fuel extermism and hatred because of your silly moves.
With this Message of theyre no longer terrorists and downgrading their threat level because of downsizing is yet another defeatist approach which will in near future have multiplier effect and thanks to you we will have to face them once again.

Afganistan is now a breeding ground for terrorists related activities, Chechens, Uzbeks, Tajiks and god knows what other nationalities are roaming there freely with ample funding coming from local Poppy supplies. they will become something Taliban 2.0. You can never use a gun to kill an idea, You use a pen to change or distort the idea. And I am sure you have quite an experience in doing that but i fail to see why wasnt this method applied on this region

 

[Steve781]

The Taliban is listed as such. It's just the White House trying to explain why they pay ransoms and swap prisoners but complain when others do.

 

[salarsikander]

The Taliban is listed as such. It's just the White House trying to explain why they pay ransoms and swap prisoners but complain when others do.

Hi,
Ahh
where were you ? I like this un-biased English chap

 

[Viper0011.]

H


Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

Allow me to explain and broaden your Vision , you seem to be looking at this matter from a very narow vision/Perspective.
The reason why US will always get blamed is When you came in Afghanistan to train and fund these Barbarians you were just looking at small picture. soviet defeated. Job done. Bravo ! applauds, bring our boys back yeah.

The madness didnt stop there. For every force you apply there is an equal opposite reaction (or something like that). This triggered a chain-reaction which you realized by paying the price of 2 downed buildings and Two major wars which drained your economy.

Its not simple that you just train a guy and leave just like that , what you created was a horrible killing machine. Afghans learned it the hard way that they were just a little pawn in great strategic game. after the war was done you guys were supposed to engage locally to negate the effects of negative publicity from this operation. You could have done alot more that just creating future terror camps, School, medical facilities, Industries, Hell we both know how you could transform it from god forsaken place to a truly fully functional state.

Leaving a country in a mess was the greatest mistake, all those who opposed you got a chance to further spread their venom and fuel the fire of taking over infidels. The effects of soveit invasion are being felt today and will be felt for the long time to come.

t. This give us the impression that yet again when we are on verge of dismantling their network US has always is turning their back on their responsibilities. Local Mullas and mdarsaash have great excuse to fuel extermism and hatred based on your silly moves.
With this Message of theyre no longer terrorists and downgrading their threat level for the sake of downsizing is yet another defeatist approach which will in near future have multiplier effect and thanks to you we will have to face them once again.

Afganistan is now a breeding ground for terrorists related activities, Chechens, Uzbeks, Tajiks and god knows what other nationalities are roaming there freely with ample funding coming from local Poppy supplies. they will become something Taliban 2.0. You can never use a gun to kill an idea, You use a pen to change or distort the idea. And I am sure you have quite an experience in doing that but i fail to see why wasnt this method applied on this region

The entire thing is flawed. Us leaving Afghanistan didn't result in attacks on our soil. Those happened after years of planning and to take revenge for our support to Israel. This had nothing to do with the Afghan situation decades ago. Our ships were attacked multiple time in the gulf, all because of Palestine, Israel issue and the global jihad was forced upon us.

Afghanistan will have significant control by Pakistan and India. You can't blame them for siding with India as it's their country. We are done with our objectives and are out. Our economy is doing great so we don't really have constraints on what we can do militarily. But why stay somewhere when we've finished our major enemy? It's always been a shiit hole so we don't need to change their culture. Had the PA listened to us, you'd have done this operation in 2004 and would've saved thousand of Pakistani lives. But you wanted to do things as they helped you. So please continue. It's too late for us though.

 

[salarsikander]

The entire thing is flawed. Us leaving Afghanistan didn't result in attacks on our soil. Those happened after years of planning and to take revenge for our support to Israel. This had nothing to do with the Afghan situation decades ago. Our ships were attacked multiple time in the gulf, all because of Palestine, Israel issue and the global jihad was forced upon us.

Afghanistan will have significant control by Pakistan and India. You can't blame them for siding with India as it's their country. We are done with our objectives and are out. Our economy is doing great so we don't really have constraints on what we can do militarily. But why stay somewhere when we've finished our major enemy? It's always been a shiit hole so we don't need to change their culture. Had the PA listened to us, you'd have done this operation in 2004 and would've saved thousand of Pakistani lives. But you wanted to do things as they helped you. So please continue. It's too late for us though.

Sir,

This was expected from you (denial). Last i checked US was here to dismantle and cripple the capacity of Terrorists to wage attack on mainland Or its interest. I failed to see how you say that youve have achieved what you were looking for unless of course a shift in policy after fateful defeat forced you to re consider your options (defeatist approach).

Secondly, Please spare us from your ignorance of No budget constraints and power to project. I can literally post you hundred of articles on the reduced power projection capability caused by budget constraints due to weak economic condition and two major failed wars that caused around trillions or so for that matter.

in fact you can search it on PDF about troubles your army is facing, its just terrible. Programs have been delayed, their fundings cut back with global planned reduction in the size of the armed forces. These are just a examples from the list.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

The entire thing is flawed. Us leaving Afghanistan didn't result in attacks on our soil.

Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11

Those happened after years of planning and to take revenge for our support to Israel. This had nothing to do with the Afghan situation decades ago.

as per the official narrative, al qaeda's contention with US was the permanent presence of US bases in the Persian Gulf (incl. Saudi Arabia)

Our ships were attacked multiple time in the gulf, all because of Palestine, Israel issue and the global jihad was forced upon us.

nothing at all to do with Palestine, though it is true that in the Muslim world there is huge resentment over US policies vis a vis Palestine-israel

Afghanistan will have significant control by Pakistan and India. You can't blame them for siding with India as it's their country.

india has very little influence, except maybe with the northern alliance war lords (who are now increasingly irrelevant)

india's only designs in Afghanistan are to destabilize Pakistan

Had the PA listened to us, you'd have done this operation in 2004 and would've saved thousand of Pakistani lives. But you wanted to do things as they helped you. So please continue. It's too late for us though.

had you listened to Pakistans warning, you wouldnt have been forced to negotiate with the taleban and ask them to stop attacking your positions...had you listened to Pakistan, you would have focused on development in Afghanistan rather than invade the country and sit there for 15 years while your gains became lost and the war became incredibly unpopular at home. Our security environment was more or less fine until NATOs blunders started affecting Pakistan

with that said, it is true that al qaeda's operational capability is largely diminished in Afghanitheater but now its thriving in Yemen and parts of N. Africa. Al qaeda and like minded groups didnt exist in Iraq until after the US invaded. And now there's ISIS to deal with as well.

 

[RabzonKhan]

Obama administration made a huge blunder by releasing five hard-core Taliban terrorists to get the release of that shady character Bergdahl. To defend their blunder, they are making yet another.

The million dollar question is, if the Afghan Taliban are not terrorists, then how come the Treasury Department lists them as a terrorist organization:

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/SDN-List/Pages/default.aspx
TALIBAN (a.k.a. ISLAMIC MOVEMENT OF TALIBAN; a.k.a. TAHRIKE
ISLAMI'A TALIBAN; a.k.a. TALEBAN; a.k.a. TALIBAN ISLAMIC MOVEMENT;
a.k.a. TALIBANO ISLAMI TAHRIK), Afghanistan [SDGT].

TALIBAN ISLAMIC MOVEMENT (a.k.a. ISLAMIC MOVEMENT OF TALIBAN;
a.k.a. TAHRIKE ISLAMI'A TALIBAN; a.k.a. TALEBAN; a.k.a. TALIBAN;
a.k.a. TALIBANO ISLAMI TAHRIK), Afghanistan [SDGT].

 

[OTTOMAN]

we didn't try to mend in Taliban's business unless it was for Al-Qaeda

What were than Taliban doing in US, just before the carpet bombing?

 

[RabzonKhan]

the TTP has openly sworn allegiance to Abu Bakr al Baghdady (Amir of ISIS), has ties to other terrorist groups operating in both Pakistan and Afghanistan

their agenda is a global one; they have well established ties with the IMU (Uzbekistan) and the militant Uighurs (some of whom have ties to al qaeda and are creating some disturbance in Chinas restive Xinjiang area). There are countries/elements that aim to destabilize Pakistan and China as well. You can use your imagination and ponder over who would want that.

Only few individuals and a small fraction of TTP are supporting ISIS, but the major factions led by Sajna and Fazlullah still consider Mullah Omer as their Ameerul Momineen.

Now, may I ask you, before September 11 terrorist attacks, in which country were Al Qaeda, IMU (Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan), ETIM (East Turkestan Islamic Movement) and Chechen terrorist, to name a few, had their terrorist training camps?

You never miss an opportunity to defend Afghan Taliban terrorists, why?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Only few individuals and a small fraction of TTP are supporting ISIS, but the major factions led by Sajna and Fazlullah still consider Mullah Omer as their Ameerul Momineen.

Now, may I ask you, before September 11 terrorist attacks, in which country were Al Qaeda, IMU (Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan), ETIM (East Turkestan Islamic Movement) and Chechen terrorist, to name a few, had their terrorist training camps?

You never miss an opportunity to defend Afghan Taliban terrorists, why?

come again??

What were than Taliban doing in US, just before the carpet bombing?

Bush, Enron, UNOCAL and the Taliban

by Tom Turnipseed


The Bush Administration’s entanglement with ENRON is beginning to unravel as it finally admits that Enron executives entered the White House six times last year to secretly plan the Administration’s energy policy with Vice-President Cheney before the collapse of the Texas-based energy giant. Meanwhile, even more trouble for our former-Texas-oil-man-turned-President is brewing with reports that unveil UNOCAL, another big energy company, for being in bed with the Taliban, along with the U.S. government in a major, continuing effort to construct pipelines through Afghanistan from the petroleum-rich Caspian Basin in Central Asia. Beneath their burkas, UNOCAL is being exposed for giving the five star treatment to Taliban Mullahs in the Lone Star State in 1997. The “evil-ones” were also invited to meet with U.S. government officials in Washington, D.C.

According to a December 17, 1997 article in the British paper, The Telegraph, headlined, “Oil barons court Taliban in Texas,” the Taliban was about to sign a “?2 billion contract with an American oil company to build a pipeline across the war-torn country. … The Islamic warriors appear to have been persuaded to close the deal, not through delicate negotiation but by old-fashioned Texan hospitality. … Dressed in traditional salwar khameez,Afghan waistcoats and loose, black turbans, the high-ranking delegation was given VIP treatment during the four-day stay.”

At the same time, U.S. government documents reveal that the Taliban were harboring Osama bin Laden as their “guest” since June 1996. By then, bin Laden had: been expelled by Sudan in early 1996 in response to US insistence and the threat of UN sanctions; publicly declared war against the U.S. on or about August 23, 1996; pronounced the bombings in Riyadh and at Khobar in Saudi Arabia killing 19 US servicemen as ‘praiseworthy terrorism’, promising that other attacks would follow in November 1996 and further admitted carrying out attacks on U.S. military personnel in Somalia in 1993 and Yemen in 1992, declaring that “we used to hunt them down in Mogadishu”; stated in an interview broadcast in February 1997 that “if someone can kill an American soldier, it is better than wasting time on other matters.” Evidence was also developing which linked bin Laden to: the 1995 bombing of a U.S. military barracks in Riyadh which killed five; Ramzi Yuosef, who led the 1993 World Trade Center attacks; and a 1994 assassination plot against President Clinton in the Philippines.

Back in Houston, the Taliban was learning how the “other half lives,” and according to The Telegraph, “stayed in a five-star hotel and were chauffeured in a company minibus.” The Taliban representatives “…were amazed by the luxurious homes of Texan oil barons. Invited to dinner at the palatial home of Martin Miller, a vice-president of Unocal, they marveled at his swimming pool, views of the golf course and six bathrooms.” Mr. Miller, said he hoped that UNOCAL had clinched the deal.

Dick Cheney was then CEO of Haliburton Corporation, a pipeline services vendor based in Texas. Gushed Cheney in 1998, “I can’t think of a time when we’ve had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian. It’s almost as if the opportunities have arisen overnight. The good Lord didn’t see fit to put oil and gas only where there are democratically elected regimes friendly to the United States. Occasionally we have to operate in places where, all things considered, one would not normally choose to go. But we go where the business is.” Would Cheney bargain with the harborers of U.S. troop killers if that’s where the business was?

The Telegraph reported that Unocal had promised to start building the pipeline and paying the Taliban immediately, with the added inducements and a donation of ?500,000 to the University of Nebraska for courses in Afghanistan to train 400 teachers, electricians, carpenters and pipefitters.

The Telegraph also reported, “The US government, which in the past has branded the Taliban’s policies against women and children “despicable”, appears anxious to please the fundamentalists to clinch the lucrative pipeline contract.” In a paper prepared by Neamatollah Nojumi, at the Tufts University Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Nojumi wrote in August 1997 that Madeline Albright sat in a “full-dress CIA briefing” on the Caspian region. CIA agents then accompanied “some well-trained petroleum engineers” to the region. Albright concluded that shaping the region’s policies was “one of the most exciting things that we can do.”

It’s also exciting to the Bush Administration. According to the authors of Bin Laden, the Hidden Truth, one of the FBI’s leading counter terrorism agents, John O’Neill, resigned last year in protest over the Bush Administration’s alleged obstruction of his investigation into bin Laden. (A similar complaint has been filed on behalf of another unidentified FBI Agent by the conservative Judicial Watch public interest group.) Supposedly the Bush Administration had been meeting since January 2001 with the Taliban, and was also reluctant to offend Saudi Arabians who O’Neill had linked to bin Laden. Mr. O’Neill, after leaving the FBI, assumed the position of security director at the World Trade Center, where he was killed in the 911 attacks.

As America’s New War now begins focusing on other “rogue nations,” UNOCAL’s stars have magically aligned. About two months after the Houston parties, UNOCAL executive John Maresca addressed the House Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific and urged support for establishment of an investor-friendly climate in Afghanistan, “… we have made it clear that construction of our proposed pipeline cannot begin until a recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders and our company.” Meaning that UNOCAL’s ability to construct the Afghan pipeline was a cause worthy of U.S. taxpayer dollars.

Maresca’s prayers have been answered with the Taliban’s replacement. As reported in Le Monde, the new Afghan government’s head, Hamid Karzai, formerly served as a UNOCAL consultant. Only nine days after Karzai’s ascension, President Bush nominated another UNOCAL consultant and former Taliban defender, Zalmay Khalilzad, as his special envoy to Afghanistan.

When UNOCAL makes big bucks from the pipeline they should donate 50% of all pretax profits to the 911 Fund. And they should also cut a very special check to the widow of FBI Agent O’Neill.