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U.S. says China resisting nuclear talks after Xi vow to boost deterrent​

Reuters
November 2, 20228:27 AM GMT+8

WASHINGTON, Nov 1 (Reuters) - Despite the lesson of the Cuban missile crisis 60 years ago, China has shown no interest in discussing steps to reduce the risk posed by nuclear weapons, senior U.S. officials said on Tuesday, after Chinese leader Xi Jinping signaled last month that Beijing would strengthen its strategic deterrent.

The Pentagon says China is undergoing a major expansion of its nuclear forces and is moving toward having 1,000 nuclear warheads by 2030. But Beijing has long resisted arms control talks with Washington, arguing that the United States already has a much larger arsenal.

Alexandra Bell, deputy assistant secretary of state for arms control, verification and compliance, told an Atlantic Council that despite U.S. efforts, Washington and Beijing still had not begun engagement on the issue.

"As a first step, we'd really like to have a conversation with them about each other's doctrines, about crisis communication, crisis management," Bell said, noting that Washington has had such talks with Russia for decades.

"We're not in that space with Beijing yet. So, there's work to be done to begin the conversation, we think bilaterally," Bell said.

"We're now at the 60th anniversary of the Cuban missile crisis. We don't need to repeat that to know that we need to be at the table having conversations with each other," Bell said, referring to events in 1962 when the United States and the Soviet Union came close to nuclear war over the presence of Soviet missiles in Cuba.

U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said last year after a call between Xi and President Joe Biden that the two had agreed to "look to begin to carry forward discussion on strategic stability."

But Xi signaled during a Communist Party Congress in October that China would strengthen its strategic deterrent, a term often used to describe nuclear weapons.

Richard Johnson, the U.S. deputy assistant secretary of defense for Nuclear and Countering Weapons of Mass Destruction Policy, told the forum the United States was looking to begin exchanges with China on "more basic things" than the number of warheads.

"If that's the argument that Beijing is giving, we're not asking to have a discussion about numbers. We're saying, let's talk about putting some guardrails into the relationship so that we don't have unnecessary crises," he said.

Johnson added that if Beijing preferred to not engage bilaterally, it could "demonstrate some transparency" about its nuclear build-up through the International Atomic Energy Agency by declaring its plutonium stocks for civilian purposes.

"The Chinese have stopped doing that, and that's a real concern," he said.

 
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China has enough to put US 6 foot under what it lacks is the 2nd strike capability unless China is keeping a secret.

80% of US population is in 80 cities give or take.
 
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With XI, China now is adopting guaranteed mutual destruction approach, or maybe more than guaranteed
 
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its about time that China is set on the mark to develop 1000 nukes by the end of the decade if the news is real, or maybe 2000 nukes are needed to take care both US and NATO threats. Looks like finally the decision makers in Beijing realized the serious survival security stituation China is facing in the world, China like any other nations should take security matters before economy and development.

No need to talk to US about nuclear arms control until US has reduced its nukes to the number of Chinese level, period.
 
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China has the resources and manufacturing might to mass produce everything, 1,000 nukes are just a small piece of cake
 
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When China and the United States have the same number of nuclear weapons, we will participate in negotiations. This is not the right time to negotiate.

My thoughts are the same. It's too premature to begin any talks concerning Chinese-US nuclear weapons. Once there is parity, one can sit at the table as equals; in the meantime, the bigger the arsenal of atomic weapons, the better.
 
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China has the resources and manufacturing might to mass produce everything, 1,000 nukes are just a small piece of cake


More likely than not is that China got 2000++ nukes.
Thermo nukes immediately fireable as China H nukes done to YuMin configuration.

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Sailing their carriers up and down in phony FONOPs.

And a great game to bully China for the fun of it.

And screaming if their carriers are touched, China will be in a big world of hurting.

As if Murica the only one with nukes and happy to toss them about like confetti.


And please do not talk of nukes. China might well be the only country
with fully functional H Bombs
Chinese H Bombs are done to the YuMing configuration requiring very little maintenance.
Muricans do their H bombs to the Ulam Teller configuration needing lots of maintenances.

Each warhead needs to have about 200 milligrams of fresh tritium added every year. Here’s a pic showing W80s having their gas changed.

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How many Murican H Bombs can go kaboom immediately? Not many.


When China was still almost in stone age condition in 1960s, China still developed the Hydrogen Bomb 3.3 Mtons just 32 months in June 1967 after China first fission bomb. China was using teams of Chinese working away at abacus as they had no computers or even electronic calculators then.

We all know China is a lot more advanced since the mid 60s.

US intelligence projection made late in the 1960s that China would have 435 nuclear weapons by 1973.
Karber’s report mentioned that “PRC data in 1995 gave the figure at 2,350.”

We all know China is a lot more advanced since 1995.

Why You Should Fear China's Nuclear Weapons

Underground Great Wall of China - Wikipedia

And remember the DF5s and DF31AG as well. About 100 or more of them, mirving 10 nukes or more.
China has at least three brigades of DF-5 missiles. Assuming all three brigades have been modernized, that's 360 thermonuclear warheads with a half-megaton on each warhead.
3 brigades DF-5B ICBM x 12 missiles per brigade x 10 MIRVs per missile = 360 thermonuclear warheads carried on DF-5B ICBMs



If China got only 260 thermonukes like what everyone is saying and hoping, the surplus warheads will be delivering dim sum and tea bags and cleaned pressed laundry from Chinese laundrymen.
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BUT WHY BOTHER TO TALK TO MURICA?
MURICA KNOWN SO CLEARLY TO LIE AND CHEAT AND STEAL AND DISHONOURABLE

AND MURICA KNOWN ALWAYS TO TEAR UP AGREEMENTS AND BACK STAB OTHERS

AND IN TIME, WE ALL WILL SEE MURICA IMPLODING INTO BANKRUPTCY AND ORGY OF CIVIL WAR
 
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China has enough to put US 6 foot under what it lacks is the 2nd strike capability unless China is keeping a secret.

80% of US population is in 80 cities give or take.
So is any other countries lmao you're saying like it's a revelation when 80/20 rule was a thing for centuries
 
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More likely than not is that China got 2000++ nukes.
It's the lingo that amreeka understands and understands really well.

So is any other countries lmao you're saying like it's a revelation when 80/20 rule was a thing for centuries
Yeah so, irrelevant if other countries have 100/100... so long China can put 80 of US 10 foot under peace will pervail.
 
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Deterrence is not enough. I want China to have a nuclear arsenal so large that it puts the fear into the skulls of every single American from the time they pop out of their mothers womb. Nuclear parity is ABSOLUTE MINIMUM.
 
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Deterrence is not enough. I want China to have a nuclear arsenal so large that it puts the fear into the skulls of every single American from the time they pop out of their mothers womb. Nuclear parity is ABSOLUTE MINIMUM.
China will at least have 1000 nukes by 2030. The Chinese arsenal is rapidly expanding.
 
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