U.S. sanctions Turkey over purchase of Russian S-400 missile system

[Uguduwa]

Gave up F-35 and got sanctioned just for garbage russian military hardware. Makes you think what the idiots who made the decision were smoking.

 

[AUz]

NATO was created to defend against Russia (the old USSR). If Turkey wants Russian weapons then they should quit NATO.

Turkey isn't a backward sh*thole like india with no relevance or strength---as Pak humiliates india regularly and China literally took over 1000 sq km of indian land without any resistance lol.

Turkey is a major emerging regional superpower that has already displayed successful military campaigns in Libya, Iraq, Syria, and most recently Azerbaijaan. Turkey is developing its own defence industry rapidly and even trangressed into 'Russian sphere of Influence' in South Caucus.

Turkey is a major regional player that will deal with Russia and US on its own terms.

 

[xuxu1457]

Over the past four years, the United States has imposed 3, 900 sanctions, an average of nearly three a day.

 

[CrazyZ]

We should be more careful, and not offer to mediate unless it involves our own interests.

We should remember what Deng Xioping said “Bide your time, never claim leadership”

When our economy is a G20 economy like Turkey’s we will have enough clout for the world to take what we say more seriously. Until then we should remember Money talks louder then words.

I agree, we have a long way to go. But Turkey can be a "forward operating base" for Pakistani goods exporters. Its at the doorsteps of Europe and Russia....two very large markets. And everybody wants to diversify import sources. It would help the Turks as well. A win win.

 

[zectech]

Over the past four years, the United States has imposed 3, 900 sanctions, an average of nearly three a day.

That is an hilarious fact. Even funnier when you know this:

Sanctions Are Economic Warfare

Trump used his Iran speech to say the US is “ready to embrace peace with all who seek it.” But the crippling sanctions he proposes will only make things worse.

www.thenation.com

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Reactions from the Turkish Boss on the Defense Industries:

• It's nothing unexpected
• It's not like a break-up b/w BFFs
• It generates an impetus for a fully independent Turkish Defense Industry
• It's quite a "necessary" reminder for the Turkish folks involved in the defense related industries to have a stronger resolve

Savunma Sanayii Başkanı İsmail Demir'den ABD'nin aldığı yaptırım kararı ile ilgili önemli açıklamalar

Savunma Sanayii Başkanı İsmail Demir, A Haber'de yayınlanan 'Memleket Meselesi' adlı programa konuk oldu. Başkan Demir, programda önemli açıklamalarda bulunurken yaptırımın şaşırtıcı olmadığını kaydetti ve söz konusu skandal yaptırımın Türkiye’nin yerli savunma sanayii çalışmalarını...

www.sabah.com.tr

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1338547062254804993

India is next.
Honestly, this is a message to everyone by the US:
"If you wanna ally with us, you better not buy that naughty naughty Russian S-400."

What effect will this have on Turk defence companies. Can we still buy from them??

 

[FuturePAF]

I agree, we have a long way to go. But Turkey can be a "forward operating base" for Pakistani goods exporters. Its at the footsteps of Europe and Russia....two very large markets. And everybody wants to diversify import sources. It would help the Turks as well. A win win.

I agree it’s win win for Turkey and Pakistan, but when President Erdogan came to Pakistan he told PM Khan to develop specifics; detailed plans to produce products for exports or products that can be co-produced with Turkey for export.

We should take President Erdogan’s constructive criticism / Advice to heart and develop a detailed roadmap of products we can develop a competitive advantage in for the export market.

For example, study the value added products made from our own products in a third country. We should have a whole line of products made from Himalayan Sea Salt. We should be making the products Germany exports packaged with the surgical supplies made in Sialkot. We should be making unique products from the unique varieties of food products produced in Pakistan or our unique wool; into fashion brands.

We need to do a full analysis of our growth markets and plan accordingly.

One source to check is ITC Trade and Market Intelligence. A good website I found a while ago (I have no affiliation with them, just and interesting site I want to share with other concerned Pakistanis) that shows export markets and industries we have a potential competence advantage to grow into. For example, we should be exporting more to Africa.

ITC - MAT Portal

marketanalysis.intracen.org

 

[Neurath]

What effect will this have on Turk defence companies. Can we still buy from them??

Not sure.

 

[bahadur]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1338547062254804993

India is next.
Honestly, this is a message to everyone by the US:
"If you wanna ally with us, you better not buy that naughty naughty Russian S-400."

lol

 

[WebMaster]

Thats why USA has blocked sales to Turkey and thats the reason you still are waiting for your T129s. India is their biggest ally in the region and we have military relations with them. USA would obviously want India to have more sophisticated equipment to counter growing threats. By the way a new Ummah bloc of OIC of Pakistan, Iran, Turkey and Malaysia has been shattered permanently. By the way pakistan also has many Russian equipment like Mi-35s which are on order. Only reason you’re not sanctioned is because of Afghanistan.

It is true that Pakistan is only relevant to USA because of Afghanistan.

I disagree with everything else about your post.

 

[fallstuff]

U.S. sanctions Turkey over purchase of Russian S-400 missile system
PUBLISHED MON, DEC 14 20201:08 PM ESTUPDATED MON, DEC 14 20202:35 PM EST

• The Trump administration imposed sanctions on Turkey on Monday over its multibillion-dollar acquisition of a Russian missile system.
• In 2017, Turkish President Recep Erdogan brokered a deal reportedly worth $2.5 billion with Russian President Vladimir Putin for the S-400 mobile surface-to-air missile system.
• The S-400 system is said to pose a risk to the NATO alliance as well as the F-35, America’s most expensive weapons platform.

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan listens to an interpreter as US President Donald Trump makes a statement for the press a meeting at the Palace Hotel during the 72nd United Nations General Assembly on September 21, 2017 in New York City.
Brendan Smialowski | AFP | Getty Images
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration slapped sanctions on Turkey on Monday over a multibillion-dollar acquisition of a Russian missile system.
The long-anticipated move is expected to further stoke tensions between Washington and Ankara in the weeks ahead of President-elect Joe Biden’s ascension to the White House and send a message to foreign governments considering future weapons deals with Russia.

In 2017, Turkish President Recep Erdogan brokered a deal reportedly worth $2.5 billion with Russian President Vladimir Putin for the S-400 missile system.
The S-400, a mobile surface-to-air missile system, is said to pose a risk to the NATO alliance as well as the F-35, America’s most expensive weapons platform.
Despite warnings from the United States and other NATO allies, Turkey accepted the first of four missile batteries in July 2019. A week later, the United States cut Turkey, a financial and manufacturing partner, from the F-35 program.


Under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, which Trump signed in August 2017, Turkey faced potential economic sanctions for accepting the Kremlin’s missile system. Trump had not yet imposed sanctions on Turkey.
“Turkey is a valued ally and an important regional security partner for the United States, and we seek to continue our decades-long history of productive defense-sector cooperation by removing the obstacle of Turkey’s S-400 possession as soon as possible,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo wrote in a statement announcing the sanctions.

The sanctions put a ban on all U.S. export licenses and authorizations to the Republic of Turkey’s Presidency of Defense Industries as well as an asset freeze and visa restrictions on the organization’s president, Ismail Demir, and other top officers.
“Well, it’s about damn time. Strong, well-tailored sanctions are painfully overdue,” said Thomas Karako, director of the Missile Defense Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, when asked about the sanctions.
“The details will matter a lot. This could turn out to be a softball. If the sanctions are to be meaningful, they can’t be mere token,” Karako added.
The timing of the sanctions, more than a year after the delivery of the missile system, could have the potential to rock relations between Ankara and Washington for an incoming Biden administration.
State Department officials downplayed the timing, saying that the process of implementing sanctions was “very serious” and “deliberative.”
“It took time to work through this complex set of issues, including, in particular, the fact that Turkey is a NATO ally, so I would not read too much into the timing of this and why today and not yesterday or three months ago,” said Matthew Palmer, deputy assistant secretary in the Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs, during a call with reporters. “This is the time that was necessary for us to conclude that deliberative process.”

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan (L) and Russia’s President Vladimir Putin last April.
Adem Altan | AFP | Getty Images
The latest revelation comes less than two months after reports surfaced that Turkey’s military began testing the S-400 system.
In October, both the departments of Defense and State condemned the apparent missile test off Turkey’s Black Sea coast.
“The United States has expressed to the Government of Turkey, at the most senior levels, that the acquisition of Russian military systems such as the S-400 is unacceptable,” State Department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus wrote in an emailed statement at the time.
“The United States has been clear on our expectation that the S-400 system should not be operationalized,” she added.
“We object to Turkey’s purchase of the system and are deeply concerned with reports that Turkey is bringing it into operation,” said chief Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman in an emailed statement. “It should not be activated. Doing so risks serious consequences for our security relationship.”
The S-400, the successor to the S-200 and S-300 missile systems, made its debut in 2007. Compared with U.S. systems, the Russian-made S-400 is believed to be capable of engaging a wider array of targets, at longer ranges and against multiple threats simultaneously.

A rocket launches from a S-400 missile system at the Ashuluk military base in Southern Russia on September 22, 2020.
Dimitar Dilkoff | AFP | Getty Images
In multiple efforts to deter Turkey from buying the S-400, the State Department offered in 2013 and 2017 to sell the country Raytheon’s Patriot missile system. Ankara passed on the Patriot both times because the U.S. declined to provide a transfer of the system’s sensitive missile technology.
“We have repeatedly tried through our diplomatic overtures to find a way to resolve this by means that don’t involve the imposition of these mandatory sanctions,” explained Christopher Ford, assistant secretary for International Security and Nonproliferation, during a call with reporters.

U.S. sanctions Turkey over purchase of Russian S-400 missile system

The long-anticipated move is expected to further stoke tensions between the U.S. and Turkey ahead of President-elect Joe Biden's ascension to the White House.

www.cnbc.com

“We have also repeatedly offered them military equipment to help meet their operational needs in a way that doesn’t trigger sanctions and that is, in fact, a better answer in terms of the NATO interoperability of the Turkish Defense Forces. Unfortunately, Turkey turned down every single one of these efforts over the past several years now,” Ford said, adding the United States had “no choice.”
Despite facing potential U.S. sanctions, a dozen countries have expressed interest in buying Russia’s S-400 missile system.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

U.S. sanctions Turkey over purchase of Russian S-400 missile system
PUBLISHED MON, DEC 14 20201:08 PM ESTUPDATED MON, DEC 14 20202:35 PM EST

• The Trump administration imposed sanctions on Turkey on Monday over its multibillion-dollar acquisition of a Russian missile system.
• In 2017, Turkish President Recep Erdogan brokered a deal reportedly worth $2.5 billion with Russian President Vladimir Putin for the S-400 mobile surface-to-air missile system.
• The S-400 system is said to pose a risk to the NATO alliance as well as the F-35, America’s most expensive weapons platform.

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan listens to an interpreter as US President Donald Trump makes a statement for the press a meeting at the Palace Hotel during the 72nd United Nations General Assembly on September 21, 2017 in New York City.
Brendan Smialowski | AFP | Getty Images
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration slapped sanctions on Turkey on Monday over a multibillion-dollar acquisition of a Russian missile system.
The long-anticipated move is expected to further stoke tensions between Washington and Ankara in the weeks ahead of President-elect Joe Biden’s ascension to the White House and send a message to foreign governments considering future weapons deals with Russia.

In 2017, Turkish President Recep Erdogan brokered a deal reportedly worth $2.5 billion with Russian President Vladimir Putin for the S-400 missile system.
The S-400, a mobile surface-to-air missile system, is said to pose a risk to the NATO alliance as well as the F-35, America’s most expensive weapons platform.
Despite warnings from the United States and other NATO allies, Turkey accepted the first of four missile batteries in July 2019. A week later, the United States cut Turkey, a financial and manufacturing partner, from the F-35 program.


Under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, which Trump signed in August 2017, Turkey faced potential economic sanctions for accepting the Kremlin’s missile system. Trump had not yet imposed sanctions on Turkey.
“Turkey is a valued ally and an important regional security partner for the United States, and we seek to continue our decades-long history of productive defense-sector cooperation by removing the obstacle of Turkey’s S-400 possession as soon as possible,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo wrote in a statement announcing the sanctions.

The sanctions put a ban on all U.S. export licenses and authorizations to the Republic of Turkey’s Presidency of Defense Industries as well as an asset freeze and visa restrictions on the organization’s president, Ismail Demir, and other top officers.
“Well, it’s about damn time. Strong, well-tailored sanctions are painfully overdue,” said Thomas Karako, director of the Missile Defense Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, when asked about the sanctions.
“The details will matter a lot. This could turn out to be a softball. If the sanctions are to be meaningful, they can’t be mere token,” Karako added.
The timing of the sanctions, more than a year after the delivery of the missile system, could have the potential to rock relations between Ankara and Washington for an incoming Biden administration.
State Department officials downplayed the timing, saying that the process of implementing sanctions was “very serious” and “deliberative.”
“It took time to work through this complex set of issues, including, in particular, the fact that Turkey is a NATO ally, so I would not read too much into the timing of this and why today and not yesterday or three months ago,” said Matthew Palmer, deputy assistant secretary in the Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs, during a call with reporters. “This is the time that was necessary for us to conclude that deliberative process.”

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan (L) and Russia’s President Vladimir Putin last April.
Adem Altan | AFP | Getty Images
The latest revelation comes less than two months after reports surfaced that Turkey’s military began testing the S-400 system.
In October, both the departments of Defense and State condemned the apparent missile test off Turkey’s Black Sea coast.
“The United States has expressed to the Government of Turkey, at the most senior levels, that the acquisition of Russian military systems such as the S-400 is unacceptable,” State Department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus wrote in an emailed statement at the time.
“The United States has been clear on our expectation that the S-400 system should not be operationalized,” she added.
“We object to Turkey’s purchase of the system and are deeply concerned with reports that Turkey is bringing it into operation,” said chief Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman in an emailed statement. “It should not be activated. Doing so risks serious consequences for our security relationship.”
The S-400, the successor to the S-200 and S-300 missile systems, made its debut in 2007. Compared with U.S. systems, the Russian-made S-400 is believed to be capable of engaging a wider array of targets, at longer ranges and against multiple threats simultaneously.

A rocket launches from a S-400 missile system at the Ashuluk military base in Southern Russia on September 22, 2020.
Dimitar Dilkoff | AFP | Getty Images
In multiple efforts to deter Turkey from buying the S-400, the State Department offered in 2013 and 2017 to sell the country Raytheon’s Patriot missile system. Ankara passed on the Patriot both times because the U.S. declined to provide a transfer of the system’s sensitive missile technology.
“We have repeatedly tried through our diplomatic overtures to find a way to resolve this by means that don’t involve the imposition of these mandatory sanctions,” explained Christopher Ford, assistant secretary for International Security and Nonproliferation, during a call with reporters.

U.S. sanctions Turkey over purchase of Russian S-400 missile system

The long-anticipated move is expected to further stoke tensions between the U.S. and Turkey ahead of President-elect Joe Biden's ascension to the White House.

www.cnbc.com

“We have also repeatedly offered them military equipment to help meet their operational needs in a way that doesn’t trigger sanctions and that is, in fact, a better answer in terms of the NATO interoperability of the Turkish Defense Forces. Unfortunately, Turkey turned down every single one of these efforts over the past several years now,” Ford said, adding the United States had “no choice.”
Despite facing potential U.S. sanctions, a dozen countries have expressed interest in buying Russia’s S-400 missile system.

When will America realize that such blackmail and bullying will simply not work.

Sergei Lavrov was right in saying that America is still trying live its unipolar dream. But Russia and China have risen to not let that happen. America is trying to deny the inevitability of today's reality.

I make dua that this makes Turkey even stronger and relations between Pakistan, Russia, Turkey, Iran, China, Central Asia and Sumatra-Borneo region are strengthened.

Because from my PoV integration and business with Central Asia is key for Pakistan. Thereon, we can expand to asia pacific, africa and latin america. Rich White Nations of the West seem to be reaching stagnation within the next decade or two.

 

[vi-va]

Is India still buying S-400?

 

[Arian]

Is India still buying S-400?

Probably yes as India is not a NATO member.