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President Obama announced that the U.S. and China have reached a "common understanding" to not conduct or support cyber espionage and intellectual property theft for commercial gain.

"I raised, once again, our rising concerns about growing cyber threats to American companies and American citizens. I indicated that it has to stop," Obama said in a Rose Garden press conference with Chinese President Xi Jinping. "The United States government does not engage in cyber economic espionage for commercial gain."

"We have agreed that neither the U.S. or the Chinese government will conduct or knowingly support cyber-enabled theft of intellectual property, including trade secrets or other confidential business information for commercial advantage," the president added. "We’ll work together and with other nations to promote other rules of the road."

Acknowledging that the U.S. and China are two "major cyber countries," President Xi said "confrontation and friction are not the right choice for both sides."

The agreement marks a major development in U.S.-China relations.Tensions between the U.S. and China have risen over cyber security concerns as both the U.S. government and businesses have faced several damaging hacking attacks over the past year.

"The question now is - are words followed by actions?" President Obama said. "We will be watching carefully to make an assessment as to whether progress has been made in this area."

President Obama said the U.S. is willing to use sanctions and "whatever other tools we have in our tool kit to go after cyber criminals, either retrospectively or prospectively."

The two presidents also discussed China's island building in the disputed territories in the South China Sea, a key trade route for U.S. ships.

"We have the right to uphold our own territorial sovereignty and lawful and legitimate maritime rights and interests," President Xi said. "We are committed to maintaining peace and stability in the South China Sea, managing differences and disputes through dialogue and addressing disputes through negotiation, consultation, and peaceful manner and exploring ways to achieve mutual benefit through cooperation. We're committed to respecting and upholding the freedom of navigation and overflight that countries enjoy according to international law."

"Relevant construction activity that China are undertaking in the islands of South -- Nansha Islands, do not target or impact any country and China does not intend to pursue militarization," he added.

The U.S. has been critical as China has built islands, paved runways and stationed ships in the waters of the South China Sea.

"I reiterated the right of all countries to freedom of navigation and overflight and to unimpeded commerce. As such, I indicated that the United States will continue to sail, fly and operate anywhere that international law allows," President Obama said. "I conveyed to President Xi our significant concerns over land reclamation, construction and the militarization of disputed areas, which makes it harder for countries in the region to resolve disagreements peacefully and I encouraged a resolution between claimants in these areas."

"We are not a claimant. We just want to make sure that the rules of the road are upheld. I reiterated my strong commitment as well to our One China Policy based on the three joint communiques and the Taiwan Relations Act.

U.S., China Reach Agreement To Stop Commercial Cyber Espionage, President Obama Says - ABC News
 
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President Obama announced that the U.S. and China have reached a "common understanding" to not conduct or support cyber espionage and intellectual property theft for commercial gain.

"I raised, once again, our rising concerns about growing cyber threats to American companies and American citizens. I indicated that it has to stop," Obama said in a Rose Garden press conference with Chinese President Xi Jinping. "The United States government does not engage in cyber economic espionage for commercial gain."

"We have agreed that neither the U.S. or the Chinese government will conduct or knowingly support cyber-enabled theft of intellectual property, including trade secrets or other confidential business information for commercial advantage," the president added. "We’ll work together and with other nations to promote other rules of the road."

Acknowledging that the U.S. and China are two "major cyber countries," President Xi said "confrontation and friction are not the right choice for both sides."

The agreement marks a major development in U.S.-China relations.Tensions between the U.S. and China have risen over cyber security concerns as both the U.S. government and businesses have faced several damaging hacking attacks over the past year.

"The question now is - are words followed by actions?" President Obama said. "We will be watching carefully to make an assessment as to whether progress has been made in this area."

President Obama said the U.S. is willing to use sanctions and "whatever other tools we have in our tool kit to go after cyber criminals, either retrospectively or prospectively."

The two presidents also discussed China's island building in the disputed territories in the South China Sea, a key trade route for U.S. ships.

"We have the right to uphold our own territorial sovereignty and lawful and legitimate maritime rights and interests," President Xi said. "We are committed to maintaining peace and stability in the South China Sea, managing differences and disputes through dialogue and addressing disputes through negotiation, consultation, and peaceful manner and exploring ways to achieve mutual benefit through cooperation. We're committed to respecting and upholding the freedom of navigation and overflight that countries enjoy according to international law."

"Relevant construction activity that China are undertaking in the islands of South -- Nansha Islands, do not target or impact any country and China does not intend to pursue militarization," he added.

The U.S. has been critical as China has built islands, paved runways and stationed ships in the waters of the South China Sea.

"I reiterated the right of all countries to freedom of navigation and overflight and to unimpeded commerce. As such, I indicated that the United States will continue to sail, fly and operate anywhere that international law allows," President Obama said. "I conveyed to President Xi our significant concerns over land reclamation, construction and the militarization of disputed areas, which makes it harder for countries in the region to resolve disagreements peacefully and I encouraged a resolution between claimants in these areas."

"We are not a claimant. We just want to make sure that the rules of the road are upheld. I reiterated my strong commitment as well to our One China Policy based on the three joint communiques and the Taiwan Relations Act.

U.S., China Reach Agreement To Stop Commercial Cyber Espionage, President Obama Says - ABC News

So it is OK to continue Cyber espionage for military and political gains?
 
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The soviets and the US agreed to an arms embargo to Afghanistan, during the Soviet-Afghan war. The next day, both sides continued on, as if the agreement never occurred.
 
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So it is OK to continue Cyber espionage for military and political gains?
Sure, government to government espionage is expected.

We definitely have operatives in the Chinese government.

Is our hacking ability too much for the mighty US? :rofl:
More like Obama told Xi how it would be, either he agrees to a deal, or we bite back.:sniper:

Looks like he didn't want us to bite back. :D
 
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Sure, government to government espionage is expected.

We definitely have operatives in the Chinese government.


More like Obama told Xi how it would be, either he agrees to a deal, or we bite back.:sniper:

Looks like he didn't want us to bite back. :D

Get use to the new normal, China ain't backing down neither will NSA stop hacking her friends, foes and competitors.
The fact you guys just can't do anything about it other than telling us to stop proofs our capabilities are top notch :rofl:
 
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Get use to the new normal, China ain't backing down neither will NSA stop hacking her friends, foes and competitors.
The fact you guys just can't do anything about it other than telling us to stop proofs our capabilities are top notch :rofl:

under your version of China, China just did back down :D

Commercial cyber espionage treaty, and pollution cap deal from China, we got what we wanted!
 
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Sure, government to government espionage is expected.

We definitely have operatives in the Chinese government.


More like Obama told Xi how it would be, either he agrees to a deal, or we bite back.:sniper:

Looks like he didn't want us to bite back. :D

China will continue to hack the US and take anything it wants and close the technology gap. US can cry all it wants. These words mean nothing. China is probably already hacking the US as we speak.

China knows exactly how to massage the ego of the US enough and continue to get stronger in a Western-dominated system.

Once that technology gap is closed (which normally takes decades and generations), Chinese power and geopolitical influence will increase in the world.
 
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Get use to the new normal, China ain't backing down neither will NSA stop hacking her friends, foes and competitors.
The fact you guys just can't do anything about it other than telling us to stop proofs our capabilities are top notch :rofl:

The guy is Indian.

China will continue to hack the US and take anything it wants and close the technology gap. US can cry all it wants. These words mean nothing. China is probably already hacking the US as we speak.

China knows exactly how to massage the ego of the US enough and continue to get stronger in a Western-dominated system.

Once that technology gap is closed (which normally takes decades and generations), Chinese power and geopolitical influence will increase in the world.

Hacking and spying will go on. Only thing is the sides will take pains to do it clandestinely and pressure the other side on good behavior.

US used to have upper hand in this. But that no more.

Not just China, but the entire world does not give a damn to their screaming and kicking.

China, while soothing US ego, will work to increase capability.
 
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"We have agreed that neither the U.S. or the Chinese government will conduct or knowingly support cyber-enabled theft of intellectual property, including trade secrets or other confidential business information for commercial advantage"

So feel free to conduct and receive support from "third parties", if you are an individual or belong to a branch outside of either governments. :cheers:
 
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Blaming the attacker in government hacking is childish.

Computers and Internet are not like real world security.
In computing the owner make the rules to access his computer system, if there is some hacking possibility is owner liability, not attacker.

If there is some high level government hacking someone must be fired for incompetence, and not play childish blaming games.
 
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China will continue to hack the US and take anything it wants and close the technology gap. US can cry all it wants. These words mean nothing. China is probably already hacking the US as we speak.

China knows exactly how to massage the ego of the US enough and continue to get stronger in a Western-dominated system.

Once that technology gap is closed (which normally takes decades and generations), Chinese power and geopolitical influence will increase in the world.

Of course China will keep hacking if they want to catch up. Doubt China would ever stop.
 
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Of course China will keep hacking if they want to catch up. Doubt China would ever stop.
unfortunately true, this is all just talk and I don't really believe for a second that either side has stopped espionage of any sort against each other. :coffee:

Will probably just take things to the next level of plausible deniability.

Just playing with the local chest thumper chi-bots,

The inferiority complex on some of these guys is so adorable!:P

That said its not like the US is sitting still either, and stealing alone will never substitute for innovation.
 
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Of course China will keep hacking if they want to catch up. Doubt China would ever stop.
Dont under estimate the CIA and FBI and they arent nerds :coffee:,US has the best IT engineer,Do you think the US.gov never hack the other country website system and abtain what they want?Hehe!!:ph34r:

The gov like to sign some agreement never occered to fool the people.Both of side know cant stop to hack each other,like a proverb in china"此地无银三百两"
 
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