U.S. and Saudis in Growing Rift as Power Shifts

[SALMAN F]

Yeah sure, sold the country to Iran and setting up a Shia government then the influence grew more. Doesn't sound "excellent" to me.



Sounds like you were in the army or something? Seems that you saw the experience in reality. Reminded me of this quote when you said the last paragraph - "An enemy of an enemy is my friend". Thus, no help from the "allies" when Iran meddles your affairs. Anyway, I'm glad Saudi Arabia woke up and saw the true colours of Iran-US. I also like to say if they are feeling too hostile then they will know that it is suicidal for Iran to trigger their dream aspiration in the Arabia (wants to revive Persia, reason for nukes) even if they are comfortable revealing their alliance with the US because beside America and Israel, the Mullahs is one of the most hated country to the Muslim world as long the Ayatollahs remain in rule and they won't confront the 1+ billion Muslims.

I think you are stupid and you don't know what you are talking about and I am not regime fan and I hate the Sassanid Zoroastrian empire anyway

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

I think you are stupid and you don't know what you are talking about and I am not regime fan and I hate the Sassanid Zoroastrian empire anyway

Many things he said are a bit inaccurate.

 

[aliijaz89]

We don't set a universal Islamic rules around the globe, and we aren't responsible for the Muslim worlds misery, but, we can always help if needed. Your claim contradicts logic and is incredibly hilarious and contradicts the rule of nature

dude saudi arabia is fueling the conflict in syria, thousands of ppl have died in it and saudis are sending men and weapons to invade another country and now even the rebels are saying that saudi arabia is not allowing us to have peace talks, its bettr if saudi arabia does not help and stay away from their affairs!!!!

if u dont no the filthy role of saudi gov then pls dont simply live in dream land that we hav done mistakes but we can correct them. as long as saudi arabia is in control of this royal family, nuthing good will come out of it, bcz these are just clients of usa,

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Hypocrites are funny man!

What does that has to do with enforcing tough Islamic laws? Oppression? And poverty? Are you nuts?

Yes, we are helping the Syrian people to defend themselves from the Assad's blood-sucking regime. For 7 months of taking a neutral stand, they only thing we gained is the loss of thousands at the hands of Hezbollah, Assad's and Iranian-backed proxies. You may suck up to them, but we won't leave the Syrians alone, the game is way bigger than you think.

dude saudi arabia is fueling the conflict in syria, thousands of ppl have died in it and saudis are sending men and weapons to invade another country and now even the rebels are saying that saudi arabia is not allowing us to have peace talks, its bettr if saudi arabia does not help and stay away from their affairs!!!!

if u dont no the filthy role of saudi gov then pls dont simply live in dream land that we hav done mistakes but we can correct them. as long as saudi arabia is in control of this royal family, nuthing good will come out of it, bcz these are just clients of usa,

If you don't know what role ? Are you trying to argue with me?

 

[Ghulam-Alazhar]

O What!After these long years they want to cut relations and not to hug eath other anymore ..?Maybe Israel England or france are good partner after old friend dear USA but not powerfull as USA.

 

[MooshMoosh]

Anyway, Iran wants nuclear weapons to guarantee the survivability of its regime primarily.

With all the RESULT we have seen since 1979 yet you have no problem with them having nuclear weapons at the same time destabilizing others affairs. Okay Khalifa, tell me something; Beside the Persian bloodthirsty hypocrites who enjoys blood flown in the Levant and Iraq, do you want them to keep sending agents to the Gulf yet we stay idle and their move with 'confidence' on making nuclear weapons who have their extreme hatred against us? Why do you think Saudi Arabia is serious? They will now turn in the Middle East into a Nuclear region because Iran can't be trusted to the beef, they know their dream aspiration, their obsession with destabilization and exporting sectarianism, they fear it would reach to the Peninsula. Simple as that. It's better if we all have nuclear weapons to prove the main enemy of all and that is Iran, no one is going to stay IDLE.

I think you are stupid and you don't know what you are talking about and I am not regime fan and I hate the Sassanid Zoroastrian empire anyway

You said you trust IRGC more than anyone else, you called me "wahhabi" proved who you are really. Your avatar tells me something, he's not an anti Empire. Taqiyah at its finest so nice try. You will never step a hold of Saudi Arabia aka "Wahhabi land" and your dream of the Najz destruction or whatever you guys want.

• • 
    KHOMEINI'S DECLARATION

"The Islamic and non-Islamic powers of the world will not admit our power till such time that we establish our hold over Makkah and Madinah because these are the centers and citadels of Islam. Hence our domination over these places Is an essential requirement ... when as a conqueror I will enter Makkah and Madinah, the first thing to be done at that time by me would be to dig out two idols (Abu Bakr and Umar) lying by the side of the Prophet's grave."

(Ayatullah Khomeini of Iran, while addressing a message for a youth rally).

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

since you asked our dear brother about it, i was refering to the back stabbers of Iraq, JORDAN, Yemen and Sudan etc

Well, the thing I like about our regime is that it doesn't care enough to refute accusations of treason. History refutes it by itself. Let me give you an example, before 1948 war, king Abdullah the First made a proposal to establish a state for the Jews on less than 20% of Palestine (which Britain and Jews agreed on)as he knew that the military power was in favor of Jews, Arabs back-then were the most ignorant backward poorest in the world and most of them were even under foreign mandates and yet they wouldn't stop babbling about their superduper being and attacked Jews but they miserably lost as expected, although the Jordanian army fighting was the best among Arabs and saved Jerusalem, other Arabs didn't stop accusing King Abdullah the first of collaboration with enemies and treason and as a result he was assassinated.

The very same mistake was repeated in 1967 and 1973. And after about 60 years of thinking Arabs finally were convinced of Abdullah's proposal and even made an Arab Initiative begging Israel to accept a Palestinian state on less than 25% and Israel refused.

Jordan payed the most for Palestinian case because of other Arabs stupidity and treason.

Another example has just been revealed:

those who sucked out billions upon billions from Saudi Arabia, while at the first chance they showed thier ugly faces and tried to stab us in the back, Jordan refused even to join 1973 against israel and sent a warning to the israelis warning them that egypt and syria might attack them

You are ignorant:

"التوك شو".. أبو الغيط: الأردن لم تبلغ إسرائيل بميعاد الحرب والقرار كان صعبًا..

- See more at: جولة في الصحافة - "التوك شو".. أبو الغيط: الأردن لم تبلغ إسرائيل بميعاد الحرب والقرار كان صعبًا.. والمتحدث باسم مجلس الوزراء: التجار هم سبب ارتفاع الأسعار.. ونصر القفاص: أزمة إبراهيم عيسى مع "الدستور" مالية

رغم عدم معرفة الأردن مسبقا بالحرب، في 14/10/1973م ونتيجة لتدهور الموقف على الجبهة السورية في الجولان، لواء الجيش العربي الأردنيالمدرع 40 (الذائع الصيت) يصل إلى الجبهة السورية في الجولان ويخوض أولى معاركه هناك ضد القوات الإسرائيلية ويجبرها على التراجع إلى الخلف مسافة 10 كم وفي نفس الوقت فإن حالة التأهب لدى الجيش العربي الأردني على طول الجبهة مع إسرائيل حرمتها من محاولة تطويق الجبهة السورية من الجنوب عن طريق الأردن.
وأثناء فتال الجيش العربي الأردني التقطت كتيبة الاستطلاع السوري الضباط الصهاينة يصرخون مخاطبين قادتهم "أنقذونا من اللواء الأردني انهم يتقدمون باتجاهنا ولا يعرفون التراجع ونحن نخلي مواقعنا لهم" وقد سلم التسجيل إلى قائد اللواء الأردني (40) اللواء الركن خالد هجهوج المجالي بعد انتهاء هذه المعركة في الغروب من قبل العماد مصطفى طلاس وزير الدفاع السوري.


-*- في حرب عام 1973 التقطت كتيبة الاستطلاع السورية الضباط الصهاينة يصرخون مخاطبين قادتهم "أنقذونا من اللواء الأردني انهم يتقدمون باتجاهنا ولا يعرفون التراجع ونحن نخلي مواقعنا لهم" وقد سلم التسجيل الى قائد اللواء الأردني (40) اللواء الركن خالد هجهوج المجالي بعد انتهاء هذه المعركة في الغروب من قبل العماد مصطفى طلاس وزير الدفاع السوري.

-*- "هؤلاء رجال صنعتهم الحرب" أحد القادة السوريين يتحدث عن رجالات الجيش العربي الأردني بعد إنبهاره بأدائهم في الحرب.

King Hussain of jordan one of the worst and biggest backstabbers and traitors i ever saw.

I will never ever forget what they tried to do in 1990. PERIOD

Whatever..

 

[aliijaz89]

Hypocrites are funny man!

What does that has to do with enforcing tough Islamic laws? Oppression? And poverty? Are you nuts?

Yes, we are helping the Syrian people to defend themselves from the Assad's blood-sucking regime. For 7 months of taking a neutral stand, they only thing we gained is the loss of thousands at the hands of Hezbollah, Assad's and Iranian-backed proxies. You may suck up to them, but we won't leave the Syrians alone, the game is way bigger than you think.


If you don't know what role ? Are you trying to argue with me?

helping syrian people???? who the hell has given you right to send men into another country to invade it??? why dont u accomodate those people who are victms of oppression??? u people are fuelling more n more the conflict by sending men and weapons and turning down peace talks and u call it help??? if u are really sincere then why dont u send men into israel to liberate palestinians? ur puppet government is not allowed to do this, but they are allowed and fully supported to fuel the syrian conflict,

al jazeera has successfully brain washed u people and made u cattles!!!

 

[al-Hasani]

The G20 doesn't count members based on what the sell or export solely, otherwise China and Germany would have eaten all member states. It counts the imports, exports, GPD per capita, national reserves, a given industrial base(s) in KSA's case it isn't solely for oil either. Additionally, the G20 represents the 20th richest nations on earth regardless of what they have under the sand.

If it was for oil, then Nigeria and Venezuela would have been admitted centuries ago.

What about SAABC, Al-Fanar, Sadara, Petro Rabigh, YANSAB, and Madden? The list can go longer and longer.




Run out of ammunition? What about Ahsa's artillery-ammunition complex, Kharj's, Al-Taif's, Al-Farais's, and ACE?




You seem to be utterly misinformed about politics, Erdogan stands can't affect Turkey's relations with KSA's at all cost particularly this time. Many Turks are fed up with his gun-boat policy, however, this doesn't grant him an enemy status of Saudi!

Hellz, he never brought up our name, and he bashed the West off.




1- Similar incidents took place in the past, and if you are so concerned about that, please be ware that uglier things took place in the past for years, and was dealt with such as counter drug-smuggling operations, and intercepting a cartel filled with arms, we know to whom they are going to deliver them for as well.

2- The incident you are referring to took place in 93 not 96. But either way, no school is closed or next to the boarders with Yemen. We learned a lot from the 60s, if the MoE ever approved such school-project, the Minister of the MoE would have lost his job the next day.

In 93, Saleh warned that he's going to break away from the South by triggering another civil war, which eventually will drag us into but we bought him as much as we bought them in Taif. Ever since they became our puppets, we literally control them and can easily trigger another conflict. Ever heard of Mohmmad Bin Naïf? The King of Yemen?




Politics is politics, but people are naive.

I do think you are a false-flagger though.






I will resign off my post if it turned that he were in the army

Anyway, Iran wants nuclear weapons to guarantee the survivability of its regime primarily.

Why is it that we always have those kind of extremes? At one point people trying to label us as a worse version of North Korea and at the other side as a perfect society. I never understood it and I have taken part in many of such debates in real life and they always end like this. Forums only worse.

Anyway some people have their views and theories and nothing can change that. Certainly not a forum debate at least.

 

[Tihamah]

The G20 doesn't count members based on what the sell or export solely, otherwise China and Germany would have eaten all member states. It counts the imports, exports, GPD per capita, national reserves, a given industrial base(s) in KSA's case it isn't solely for oil either. Additionally, the G20 represents the 20th richest nations on earth regardless of what they have under the sand.

If it was for oil, then Nigeria and Venezuela would have been admitted centuries ago.

What about SAABC, Al-Fanar, Sadara, Petro Rabigh, YANSAB, and Madden? The list can go longer and longer.

if did not speak english better than me, i would have given you the benefit of the doubt, but it seems you getting paid to troll and write in this forum.

Mr Genius, G20 membership is about GDP not oil production, we have bigger GDP because we produce much more oil than others...is that hard to understand? or you will just keep trolling because you are paid for that?

SABIC PETROMIN etc ect blah blah.......all came out from under ARAMCO which i menitioned several times in this post including the first post, i clearly said we have nothing more than our oil production and petro-chemichal indusrty......so you will still troll about that too?

if you do, i will add to my ingore list, i don't like "drummers" we have too many of them in Saudi Arabia and they are ruining every thing with there hypocracy.

Run out of ammunition? What about Ahsa's artillery-ammunition complex, Kharj's, Al-Taif's, Al-Farais's, and ACE?

Every single saudi who have a friend or a relative in the army knows we ran out of ammunition, it was even on wikileaks LOL......you wanna troll about that too?

You seem to be utterly misinformed about politics, Erdogan stands can't affect Turkey's relations with KSA's at all cost particularly this time. Many Turks are fed up with his gun-boat policy, however, this doesn't grant him an enemy status of Saudi!

When i ever said turkey or Ordogan are enemies?....trolling is really pathetic

1- Similar incidents took place in the past, and if you are so concerned about that, please be ware that uglier things took place in the past for years, and was dealt with such as counter drug-smuggling operations, and intercepting a cartel filled with arms, we know to whom they are going to deliver them for as well.

2- The incident you are referring to took place in 93 not 96. But either way, no school is closed or next to the boarders with Yemen. We learned a lot from the 60s, if the MoE ever approved such school-project, the Minister of the MoE would have lost his job the next day.

i'm talking about military attacks, you talk to me about drugs?......grow up please

Oh take googleearth and view the map from khoubah to najran, see how many villages and farms at stone throw from yemeni borders........it is obvious you never left buraidah and shagraa in your life and totally clueless.

Ever heard of Mohmmad Bin Naïf? The King of Yemen?

this explains all the trolling earlier, you are mabahith?
Mabahith=Secret police

is this your job? to write comments on internet?

i regret wasting my time on you, one more trolling reply from you and i will add you to ignore.

(عيب عليك والله ، جالس تكذب وتنافق ، وكل السعوديين عارفين وضعنا كويس ، حتى الأحباش خلونا مصخرة ، وانت هنا جالس تطبل وتقل أدبك على السعوديين ، هذي شغلتك؟ بالله ما تحس بشيء ولا تستحي؟)

 

[al-Hasani]

What's going on here? You better stop trolling and address your compatriots with respect.

We can take this debate in Arabic if you stop the trolling.

You are doing great harm with this nonsense and pleasing the enemy.

 

[Tihamah]

Yes, all of them are facts. Well-known facts even. You have not even provided sources that tell a opposite story.

you are the one who is making the claims not me, unless you are talking about oil production, which i said from the first post it is the only thing we have, or you disagree with that too?

So what? Is that any different from virtually EVERY single Middle Eastern and Muslim country on earth? And no, not everything is based on our natural resources which are indeed immense. We are leading in terms of petrochemistry too. The countries natural riches are very much a part of every countries economic equation. How do you think that the West became rich in the last 500 years where they have dominated the world? How did USA become rich? By plundering the resources of richer regions, including that of the Middle East. Or discovering oil, gold etc.

show me one country in the whole world, with financial capabilities and natural resources like us, yet we still don't have formidable army by "middle eastern" standards, also we don't have military industry, so god forbids if get in war and the US refuses to sell us spare parts or ammunitions or sanctions us, the few tanks and jets we have will be good for scrap only!

i'm not going to talk about our life standard which is of course good when compared to North Korea or Zimbabwe as you said mentioned earlier, but i can compare it to other GCC countries, or malaysia? not going to compare it to sweden or norway or netherlands (though they have less money)........i'm talking about military but you keep mentioning these things, so you happy now?

Who said anything about the STRONGEST military? I said that it is strong enough to deter any invader from the Middle East and that it is among the very best in the region.

you missed the point entirely, it is true we have better army than sudan or yemen for example, but who wants to invade yemen?

i disagree, our local military is not strong enough to deter any invasion, as i said we don't even make our ammuntion and spare parts, if israel attacks us it is out of the question they will control the north west, we will eventually win probably but because of the local resistance not our military capabilities.

i will not mention other examples, because i don't want to stir things.

our military is not strong enough at all, iranians were in the red sea delivering weapons and men to houthi, using also Eritreans islands, what did we do? nothing.......because our manpower and ammunition is not enough.

And we don't get anything in return you say? Really? Is that what you are saying? I thought you said that you were afraid of USA "leaving us/"betraying" us" in your OP.

the US is leaving us sooner or later, also if they don't leave us, is that what you want? to be under uncle sam protection?

you don't wan to have great military of your won? specially when you have all the resources and man power you need?

tell me what execuses we have to not have an army of 500.000 soldiers at least and miliary industry??

What I tried to say, which you obviously misunderstood was, that in case the Mullah's tried anything in the region they would not only have to deal with us and the GCC but also Turkey.

ok maybe i misunderstood you, but really you think kuwait, bahrain, qatar etc have any significant miliray power at all?.....i ask you to reconsider again.......qatar for example have military of 7000 and if i remeber correctly 7 jet fighers

Oman i think they have 30 very old jet fighters and about 40 challenger tanks only!

(i'm writing from my memory but sure 100% the numbers are close to that)

turkey only cares about syria and norther iraq, other than that they will not get involved in any military conflict, specially with out the US premission.

What were Sudanese doing there? Sources? And how many are we talking about? I don't think there are more Shias in Sudan than a few thousand at most. Your point being? There are also Saudi Arabian fighters across the world.

Not shi`its, they are mercenaries sent by albashirn the war criminal who is ruling sudan now, also there was somalis, eritreans and Etheupians as well, they are getting paid by iran to join houthi, there was some lebanese from hezbollat as well.

Yes, there was a slight rift back then - rift as in disagreements. That was a major one. Hence we did not tolerate using our land for an ground invasion - something Kuwait did.

i also did not want to mention that, but some americans we stationed in Arar, even prince sultan admit it on TV, saying it is jut radars only for humanitirian reasons.

"Iraqi attack". Some rag-tag Shia extremist Mullah organization numbering a few thousand people at most or a few hundred active people at most firing 4-5 mortars at some farm and desert lands? We could crush them within days if we wanted.

the point relations with them are not good at all, maliki few weeks ago was on TV saying Saudi Arabia doesn't want to improve relations etc

you said we have" brotherly" relations with them, remember?

Ali Abdullah Saleh and that we hosted him very recently. Forgot that?

No, thats why i said that we don't learn, he was conspiring with saddam against us, killing our citizens on southern borders, now we host him here? see my point?

if he gets a chance he will stab us in the back again like he did before, same thing for others you think they are our allies (except for GCC countries if we don't count qatar).



Well egypt is a good friend under mubark and now the military rule, but i'm not sure about the future, the MB were conspiring from behind our backs with iran, qatar and the US.......not sure what is the next regime in egypt will be like, don't get over optimistic my friend.

Anyway it seems that you are still stuck in the days of Fahd…..

fahd was a good king, رحمه الله

any way what i'm saying Saudi Arabia needs to have a very strong and big army, also needs a military indusrty ASAP, other wise our future will be full of troubles, with this sort of nieghbors we have around us and all the conspiracies they are planning against us

we don't lack the manpower and we don't lack the cash or the resouces, we have no execuses

 

[al-Hasani]

you are the one who is making the claims not me, unless you are talking about oil production, which i said from the first post it is the only thing we have, or you disagree with that too?



show me one country in the whole world, with financial capabilities and natural resources like us, yet we still don't have formidable army by "middle eastern" standards, also we don't have military industry, so god forbids if get in war and the US refuses to sell us spare parts or ammunitions or sanctions us, the few tanks and jets we have will be good for scrap only!

i'm not going to talk about our life standard which is of course good when compared to North Korea or Zimbabwe as you said mentioned earlier, but i can compare it to other GCC countries, or malaysia? not going to compare it to sweden or norway or netherlands (though they have less money)........i'm talking about military but you keep mentioning these things, so you happy now?



you missed the point entirely, it is true we have better army than sudan or yemen for example, but who wants to invade yemen?

i disagree, our local military is not strong enough to deter any invasion, as i said we don't even make our ammuntion and spare parts, if israel attacks us it is out of the question they will control the north west, we will eventually win probably but because of the local resistance not our military capabilities.

i will not mention other examples, because i don't want to stir things.

our military is not strong enough at all, iranians were in the red sea delivering weapons and men to houthi, using also Eritreans islands, what did we do? nothing.......because our manpower and ammunition is not enough.


the US is leaving us sooner or later, also if they don't leave us, is that what you want? to be under uncle sam protection?

you don't wan to have great military of your won? specially when you have all the resources and man power you need?

tell me what execuses we have to not have an army of 500.000 soldiers at least and miliary industry??




ok maybe i misunderstood you, but really you think kuwait, bahrain, qatar etc have any significant miliray power at all?.....i ask you to reconsider again.......qatar for example have military of 7000 and if i remeber correctly 7 jet fighers

Oman i think they have 30 very old jet fighters and about 40 challenger tanks only!

(i'm writing from my memory but sure 100% the numbers are close to that)

turkey only cares about syria and norther iraq, other than that they will not get involved in any military conflict, specially with out the US premission.



Not shi`its, they are mercenaries sent by albashirn the war criminal who is ruling sudan now, also there was somalis, eritreans and Etheupians as well, they are getting paid by iran to join houthi, there was some lebanese from hezbollat as well.


i also did not want to mention that, but some americans we stationed in Arar, even prince sultan admit it on TV, saying it is jut radars only for humanitirian reasons.


the point relations with them are not good at all, maliki few weeks ago was on TV saying Saudi Arabia doesn't want to improve relations etc

you said we have" brotherly" relations with them, remember?




No, thats why i said that we don't learn, he was conspiring with saddam against us, killing our citizens on southern borders, now we host him here? see my point?

if he gets a chance he will stab us in the back again like he did before, same thing for others you think they are our allies (except for GCC countries if we don't count qatar).



Well egypt is a good friend under mubark and now the military rule, but i'm not sure about the future, the MB were conspiring from behind our backs with iran, qatar and the US.......not sure what is the next regime in egypt will be like, don't get over optimistic my friend.



fahd was a good king, رحمه الله

any way what i'm saying Saudi Arabia needs to have a very strong and big army, also needs a military indusrty ASAP, other wise our future will be full of troubles, with this sort of nieghbors we have around us and all the conspiracies they are planning against us

we don't lack the manpower and we don't lack the cash or the resouces, we have no execuses

@Tihamah

7abibi, thank you for your normal and sincere reply. We can disagree but you are after all a fellow Muslim, Saudi Arabian, Arab and thus brother. I can gather from your name that you must be a fellow Hijazi. Is that correct? Anyway there are some points that we both don't disagree with but the part of your post that I have highlighted with black (don't remember what it is called in English) I very much agree with. I hope you can see that the regime is trying to change exactly that by all the major projects, even on a world scale etc. As I said in my first post I agree that mistakes were made in the future. I agree with that.

Regarding Fahd, I prefer Abdullah and most of all Faisal, رحمه الله

But I can also tell you that Jordan, Egypt, Yemen, Oman, UAE, Kuwait and maybe Qatar (if they stop being an little annoying fish in a big bond of water) will continue to be our great allies. Once that stupid Al-Bashir is removed too we can improve relations with Sudan.

I would like to elaborate more but I simply don't have the time and I am afraid that there will be a lot of trolls and foreigners trying to act wish on issues they know nothing about.

 

[MooshMoosh]

He's right Hasani for the mercenary involvement in Yemen, I remembered seeing images of Lebanese, Sudanese and some Somalian (even in Syria), mainly because Bashir has ties with Iran who helps Houthis. Iran admitted hiring Eritrean Island, I'm not sure about Eritrean mercenaries though.

To be honest guys, Tihamah sounds like an expert it makes sense how KSA is increasing seeing as worried and if he is correct about the GCC army on lack of what they need. The Iran-US rapprochement coincide with NYT Middle East split prediction in the same day I found now (click below). What Tihamah mentioned about the GCC military; the US was most likely in door shut with Iran over KSA (Contra Affair style) and the reason why Iran was so confident with the nukes only because they over-estimated GCC/KSA's military.

Saudi Arabia is becoming more and more isolated and prefer having Pakistan as a helper now and realized US didn't even help them against the Shia issue in the Arabian Peninsula like Bahrain or the Levant so Saudi Arabia tirelessly catching Iran linked agents alone and intervening the states over Shias while all America does is drone us and where's the hell is their condemnation on Iran's influence and their militia backed anyway?

Imagining a Remapped Middle East - How 5 Countries Could Become 14

U.S. Military Taught Officers to Use 'Hiroshima' Tactics to Destroy Mecca, Medina in 'Total War' on Islam - Yahoo News

Even with the user (Rostam probably Iranian) posted the thread and said in #10

sleep tight though time will tell

it is true because it's just the start and he didn't reply to you guys back most likely because he knows you guys will over predict the future and overestimating your country's army against foreign aggressors like completely different what Timahah says. It's just the beginning, we'll see what's US next move toward KSA as Tihamah said they'll leave sooner or later then who will KSA seek? Russia, China and US is with Iran now. Prince Bandar now want to distance away from them and ought to get help from Pakistan to seek something like a nuclear race.

Even "American" Mid East expert warned about Iran's growing influence in the Arab world.

And the Disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best planner of all.

+ one ayah I forgot that mentioned about the Disbelievers allying with you but they will back stab you afterward. Indeed, succeeded over Israel but no one cared and Iraq but will fail this time.

Believe it or not, it's just the start with the agreement they had 'publicity' recently. We'll watch Iran's move and America's position in the near future.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

if did not speak english better than me, i would have given you the benefit of the doubt, but it seems you getting paid to troll and write in this forum.

First of all, before bragging about your English, please be ware that a pronoun is needed in conditional statements.

Your statement should look like this:

If You didn't speak English better than me ....

Mr Genius, G20 membership is about GDP not oil production, we have bigger GDP because we produce much more oil than others...is that hard to understand? or you will just keep trolling because you are paid for that?

I never said such thing production of oil, but you, on the other hand, said this to @al-Hasani earlier

not at all it is not facts, but since you are insisting i will clear few things for you.
what does that have to do with my thread? i'm talking about our military size and industry not G20,
but to clear that for you, we are G20 because we sell oil

That is the first contradiction between the last two posts you posted here.

SABIC PETROMIN etc ect blah blah.......all came out from under ARAMCO which i menitioned several times in this post including the first post, i clearly said we have nothing more than our oil production and petro-chemichal indusrty......so you will still troll about that too?

Earlier you said that they only export oil, without mentioning the chemical industry. You didn't bring it up till I did. These are two different types of business, you must take this fact for granted or else people can alway make a good laugh at you.

That is the second contradiction between the last two posts you posted here.

Also, what about Maaden, Al-Fanar, Oger, and BL group? You do realize all of them maintain and run projects and business overseas?

If you ever have been to London, once you get on the train from Heathrow Airport to the city center, you will come across London's industrial complex which houses a factory for Al-Fanar, exporting their products all across the EU.

so you will still troll about that too?

I never trolled about anything in this regard Sir. I only countered your empty, groundless, baseless claims with facts.

if you do, i will add to my ingore list, i don't like "drummers" we have too many of them in Saudi Arabia and they are ruining every thing with there hypocracy.

Habibi, don't you ever think for a second that someone like you is going to intimidate someone like me. I could care less about your " ignore " list, I'm only responding to false-flaggers.

As for being a drummer, this is what most of you say when they run out of facts, they shift their attacks toward people rather than the information being represented.

Every single saudi who have a friend or a relative in the army knows we ran out of ammunition, it was even on wikileaks LOL......you wanna troll about that too?

I knew Litunent Mohand Al-Awaid my boy, and my knowledge about the war is surely ten times fold than yours.

Speaking of Wikileaks, I DID go through all Saudi-related Wikileaks documents. What was said about the war of 2009 was that the RSAF had used too much ammunitions, but didn't run out of it.

When i ever said turkey or Ordogan are enemies?....trolling is really pathetic

You said Turkey is against us, never been an ally, and the relations we maintain with them are bad.

Here is your initial post on that issue

Turkey? since when we are allies with turkey?...Ordogan is against us in egypt and supporting the muslims brothers there, our relations with turkey is bad at the moment, not to mention we never were allies with turkey. (i don't even want to talk about the international community, doesn't even worth a reply sorry)

That is the third contradiction between the last two posts you posted here.

i'm talking about military attacks, you talk to me about drugs?......grow up please

Thanks for insulting me again. it does show that you lost the argument.

Both of them include an armed conflict, and both of these two kinds of assaults came from Iraq's. Thus, it is worth-mentioning to be spoken about. If you don't have enough knowledge about our national security concerns, please stop pretending as if you were Mr. Know-all.

Oh take googleearth and view the map from khoubah to najran, see how many villages and farms at stone throw from yemeni borders........it is obvious you never left buraidah and shagraa in your life and totally clueless.

As I said. No schools across the boarder and that's a fact, if there were any, then, I guess our Gov't should be the dumbest Gov't of all time.

Once again, thanks for shifting your focus toward the issue to attack me personally. And just an FYI, I'm a Riyadh(ian).

this explains all the trolling earlier, you are mabahith?
Mabahith=Secret police

Now you began to play the secret-service card?

For you knowledge, I'm a dual-citizen, wasn't born in Saudi, and lastly, I happen to be half-Saudi which makes it impossible for me to work for the General Intelligence Directorate

is this your job? to write comments on internet?

Why would the Gov't hire someone on the Internet to spread your imaginative " propaganda " when the Gov't already owns an MSM Empire?

i regret wasting my time on you, one more trolling reply from you and i will add you to ignore.

Godspeed, and break a leg. I could care less about your ignore list. I'm just countering your perpetual pathological lies and all.

@Arabian Legend @JUBA @al-Hasani @Bubblegum Crisis @BLACKEAGLE

if did not speak english better than me, i would have given you the benefit of the doubt, but it seems you getting paid to troll and write in this forum.

Mr Genius, G20 membership is about GDP not oil production, we have bigger GDP because we produce much more oil than others...is that hard to understand? or you will just keep trolling because you are paid for that?

SABIC PETROMIN etc ect blah blah.......all came out from under ARAMCO which i menitioned several times in this post including the first post, i clearly said we have nothing more than our oil production and petro-chemichal indusrty......so you will still troll about that too?

if you do, i will add to my ingore list, i don't like "drummers" we have too many of them in Saudi Arabia and they are ruining every thing with there hypocracy.



Every single saudi who have a friend or a relative in the army knows we ran out of ammunition, it was even on wikileaks LOL......you wanna troll about that too?


When i ever said turkey or Ordogan are enemies?....trolling is really pathetic



i'm talking about military attacks, you talk to me about drugs?......grow up please

Oh take googleearth and view the map from khoubah to najran, see how many villages and farms at stone throw from yemeni borders........it is obvious you never left buraidah and shagraa in your life and totally clueless.



this explains all the trolling earlier, you are mabahith?
Mabahith=Secret police

is this your job? to write comments on internet?

i regret wasting my time on you, one more trolling reply from you and i will add you to ignore.

(عيب عليك والله ، جالس تكذب وتنافق ، وكل السعوديين عارفين وضعنا كويس ، حتى الأحباش خلونا مصخرة ، وانت هنا جالس تطبل وتقل أدبك على السعوديين ، هذي شغلتك؟ بالله ما تحس بشيء ولا تستحي؟)

Who gave Iran the right to send fighters as well?
Who gave Hezbollah the right to fight along with Assad?
Who gave the Iraqi Shia militias the right to fight with Assad?

If you have no dignity, then fine, but we surely do, and we won't set aside watching the Syrian people getting butchered.

helping syrian people???? who the hell has given you right to send men into another country to invade it??? why dont u accomodate those people who are victms of oppression??? u people are fuelling more n more the conflict by sending men and weapons and turning down peace talks and u call it help??? if u are really sincere then why dont u send men into israel to liberate palestinians? ur puppet government is not allowed to do this, but they are allowed and fully supported to fuel the syrian conflict,

al jazeera has successfully brain washed u people and made u cattles!!!

I'm a Saudi and we don't watch Al-Jazeera bro