Unfortunately the US + UN wanted to wage war. China will not sit back when sovereignty is at stake.
How many young Japanese died during the attempted invasion of other Asian countries in ww2?
U don't want 'Korea War' in ur home, even more China as ur Enemy
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Unfortunately the US + UN wanted to wage war. China will not sit back when sovereignty is at stake.
How many young Japanese died during the attempted invasion of other Asian countries in ww2?
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This is why its important to understand the decisions by governments , to identify any unwanted hasty policies that may have cataclysmic effects on regional harmony and human toll. Northeast Asia has suffered , collectively, in the wars and effects of wars in the 20th century. Its best that governments of nations in Northeast Asia be pragmatic and holistic in approach to regional harmony and cooperation.
Millions of Japanese died in the war. Estimates that around 3 to 3.9 million Japanese soldiers died as a result of the 2nd Sino Japanese War and the Pacific War. Civilian deaths estimates range from 900,000 to 2,000,000. Around 4-5 million Japanese perished in such a destructive war. China also suffered greatly: estimates of around 1-2 million military casualties and as much as 20-30 million civilian casualties.
I pray that never again shall Japanese and Chinese experience such kind of unwarranted death and destruction.
This is why its important to understand the decisions by governments , to identify any unwanted hasty policies that may have cataclysmic effects on regional harmony and human toll. Northeast Asia has suffered , collectively, in the wars and effects of wars in the 20th century. Its best that governments of nations in Northeast Asia be pragmatic and holistic in approach to regional harmony and cooperation.
Millions of Japanese died in the war. Estimates that around 3 to 3.9 million Japanese soldiers died as a result of the 2nd Sino Japanese War and the Pacific War. Civilian deaths estimates range from 900,000 to 2,000,000. Around 4-5 million Japanese perished in such a destructive war. China also suffered greatly: estimates of around 1-2 million military casualties and as much as 20-30 million civilian casualties.
I pray that never again shall Japanese and Chinese experience such kind of unwarranted death and destruction.
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The biggest mistake is Japan period. Had Japan not waged war in Asia, the region would not had to suffer. Had Japan not attempted to invade Korea in the past and against the big brother relations today would be very warm among our East Asians.
There would not be a divided Korea as well, which is a result of a political fight between USA and USSR. Japan itself would have a true independent foreign policy and the Okinawans would not have to suffer crimes committed by the US such as rape and storing Agent Orange on that island.
There's hope yet, and that is China. As an economic and military powerhouse we shall lead the region to development. Our sphere of influence will continue to grow as we gather more muscle strength. For thousands of years China has been the center of this region, rich, powerful and rewarding our tribute neighbors for their peaceful coexistence with China. This was however disrupted by foreign powers, the region became colonies of Western countries. Now the mighty dragon has arisen, those who defy us will suffer just as Abe's foolish foreign policy towards China.
China has sacrificed a lot for the Koreans in the past defending them against Japanese invasions and during the Korean War.
They maybe ingrates just like our southern neighbor but when the US tried to bomb NK because of the nuclear test China was the one who prevented another Korean War after news spread quickly of the PLA deployment near the border and Xi warning not to cause trouble at our doorstep. Now that's what i call hard power and a diplomatic solution to a peaceful region.
There would not be a divided Korea as well, which is a result of a political fight between USA and USSR. Japan itself would have a true independent foreign policy and the Okinawans would not have to suffer crimes committed by the US such as rape and storing Agent Orange on that island.
There's hope yet, and that is China. As an economic and military powerhouse we shall lead the region to development. Our sphere of influence will continue to grow as we gather more muscle strength. For thousands of years China has been the center of this region, rich, powerful and rewarding our tribute neighbors for their peaceful coexistence with China. This was however disrupted by foreign powers, the region became colonies of Western countries. Now the mighty dragon has arisen, those who defy us will suffer just as Abe's foolish foreign policy towards China.
China has sacrificed a lot for the Koreans in the past defending them against Japanese invasions and during the Korean War.
They maybe ingrates just like our southern neighbor but when the US tried to bomb NK because of the nuclear test China was the one who prevented another Korean War after news spread quickly of the PLA deployment near the border and Xi warning not to cause trouble at our doorstep. Now that's what i call hard power and a diplomatic solution to a peaceful region.
What a melodious and epodic conjecture, Terry Bear. You're quite the motivational writer , aren't you?
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What a melodious and epodic conjecture, Terry Bear. You're quite the motivational writer , aren't you?
I'm doing my best my dear pen pal
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That's only if you exclude the South Koreans, which accounts for the largest portion of the UN force at Korean War.
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Accounts need to be settled with the commies soon. Start where we left off.
Yeah, you may find Turkey nice and roasted, like for Thanksgiving.
Happy Thanksgiving, I'll be eating alot of Turkey.
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Because the US wants to forget their humiliating defeat to China.
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Very well said, my friend!
China is in the process of setting up an East Asian security framework based on mutual development and non-aggression.
The more peaceful the region gets, the less relevant the US gets. For the US foreign policy feds on conflicts and disputes.
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In Vietnam War, it's harder war with more lethal weapons, USA also put a lot of their soldiers into.
But Vietnamese never push any foreign force into,
In any other potential conflict in the future, we also keep that way.
1944 - WW2: they are winner and could still stationed their troops in loser territories.
1950- Korean War - they saved South Korea and still stationed there.
1965-1972 - Vietnam War
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Iraq, Afghanistan ... US soldiers continue to engage in the wars.
It's only Vietnam War could be considered as loss to them, because they must withdraw but cannot hold the situation.
They are quite generous to allow million South Vietnamese to immigrate to USA to create the largest aboard community of Vietnamese there.
In my opinion, the United States should not have intervened for the French. Rather, they should have seen the the symbolic meaning of the Battle of Dien Bien Phu. Its always easy for us, students of history, to appreciate everything in a 20-20 perspective. Right?
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You guys celebrate Thanksgiving?
I don't even know what day that would be on. I wouldn't mind eating some Turkey though.
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During 1945 , after Vietnam declared the independence with help of US personnel
President Truman should appreciate the letters from President Ho Chi Minh to express the will to cooperate.
and response with positive view. But he didn't.
The letter
Letter to President Harry Truman, February 16, 1946. The letter was never answered and was not declassified until 1972
DEAR MR. PRESIDENT:
Our VIETNAM people, as early as 1941, stood by the Allies' side and fought against the Japanese and their associates, the French colonialists.
From 1941 to 1945 we fought bitterly, sustained by the patriotism, of our fellow-countrymen and by the promises made by the Allies at YALTA, SAN FRANCISCO and POTSDAM.
When the Japanese were defeated in August 1945, the whole Vietnam territory was united under a Provisional Republican Government, which immediately set out to work. In five months, peace and order were restored, a democratic republic was established on legal bases, and adequate help was given to the Allies in the carrying out of their disarmament mission.
But the French Colonialists, who betrayed in wartime both the Allies and the Vietnamese, have come back, and are waging on us a murderous and pitiless war in order reestablish their domination. Their invasion has extended to South Vietnam and is menacing us in North Vietnam. It would take volumes to give even an abbreviated report of the crisis and assassinations they are committing everyday in this fighting area.
This aggression is contrary to all principles of international law and the pledge made by the Allies during World War II. It is a challenge to the noble attitude shown before, during, and after the war by the United States Government and People. It violently contrasts with the firm stand you have taken in your twelve point declaration, and with the idealistic loftiness and generosity expressed by your delegates to the United Nations Assembly, MM. BYRNES, STETTINIUS, AND J.F. DULLES.
The French aggression on a peace-loving people is a direct menace to world security. It implies the complicity, or at least the connivance of the Great Democracies. The United Nations ought to keep their words. They ought to interfere to stop this unjust war, and to show that they mean to carry out in peacetime the principles for which they fought in wartime.
Our Vietnamese people, after so many years of spoliation and devastation, is just beginning its building-up work. It needs security and freedom, first to achieve internal prosperity and welfare, and later to bring its small contribution to world-reconstruction.
These security and freedom can only be guaranteed by our independence from any colonial power, and our free cooperation with all other powers. It is with this firm conviction that we request of the United Sates as guardians and champions of World Justice to take a decisive step in support of our independence.
What we ask has been graciously granted to the Philippines. Like the Philippines our goal is full independence and full cooperation with the UNITED STATES. We will do our best to make this independence and cooperation profitable to the whole world.
I am Dear Mr. PRESIDENT,
Respectfully Yours,
(Signed) Ho Chi Minh
