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Typhoon, Rafale no match for China’s MMRCA

SUMAN SHARMA New Delhi | 20th Nov

India will ink the world's single largest defence deal by closing the 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) contract in a couple of months. As these fourth generation fighter jets join the Indian Air Force fleet, China will prepare to launch its fifth generation stealth fighter Chengdu J-20. China is racing ahead towards the planned induction of its indigenous stealth fighter in 2017. The Chengdu J-20, which made its debut in January this year, has already flown two prototypes, within a span of four months. In India's case, however, the two shortlisted contenders — Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale, both only fourth generation — are still undergoing price negotiations. The commercial bids for the US $15 billion deal were opened on 4 November.

Eurofighter Typhoon from the European consortium EADS — comprising Italy, Germany, Spain and UK as partner nations — is a twin-engine, multi-role fighter. A question mark exists on its air-to-ground capability. The UK audit watchdog NAO has criticised the Typhoon for its problems with spares availability, flying hours, immature estimates in funding and inefficient collaborative decision making. It has said that the aircraft will not have full multi-role capability for some years.

To add to this, the Typhoon is still in the process of acquiring air-to-ground attack capability, which was tested unsuccessfully in Libya recently.

French Dassault Aviation's twin-engine Rafale fighter is operational only in the French Navy and Air Force, and recently lost out the US $10 billion deal it had hoped to sign with the United Arab Emirates.

Highly priced, approximately around $80 million a piece, neither Typhoon nor Rafale has a proven radar (the tender requirement is for an AESA [active electronically scanned array]). This came to light during laboratory trials. The manufacturers said that the radar would be integrated once the deal was finalised.

It would take almost four years for the first aircraft to arrive after the deal is inked. So by the time India gets its fourth generation aircraft in 2016, the Chinese will be ready to induct their fifth generation aircraft.

Taking the lead in almost all its indigenous equipment trials, China seems to be well ahead of schedule in its weapons platforms. Their aircraft carrier Varyag entered sea trials in July 2011. The fifth generation stealth fighter J-20's debut this year helped China enter the elite club of fifth generation fighter jet owners. The other members of the club are the United States and Russia. While Russia took a year to make the second flight of its fifth generation stealth fighter PAK-FA, or T-50, with the first flight in January 2010, and the second in 2011, China has taken a lead in its stealth fighter trials.

Having advanced stealth features and the capability of super cruising, the J-20's initial flights have given rise to speculation that the stealth fighter may already be being developed further. Western experts have called the stealth shaping of the J-20 better than the Russian PAK-FA (T-50) and the American F-35 fifth generation fighters. The J-20 will also have an AESA radar, electro-optical sensors, glass cockpit, fly-by-wire systems and bays for weapons of all ranges.

On record, Air Force officers back the Government of India's choice. Former Air Chief F.H. Major told The Sunday Guardian, "The Chinese may be aiming at a fifth generation aircraft, but India, too, has entered into a similar venture with Russia. Since J-20 is not yet inducted, we don't know what capability it will have, whereas the shortlisted MMRCA fighters, the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale are already flying in some countries, so we know their capabilities. Except stealth, which is an exclusive fifth generation feature, most four plus and fifth generation fighters have common features, like EW systems, weaponry and super cruise."

Former Western Air Command Chief, retired Air Marshal A.K. Singh said, "Technologically there may not be much of a difference, except stealth. Arms and ammunition put onboard make a difference, which is not known for any of these aircraft. As far as inter-operability, manoeuvrability and sensors go, I don't think there is much of a difference."

Former Air Chief S. Krishnaswamy said, "The AESA radar on both Typhoon and Rafale may have been demonstrated in a laboratory, but by the time they are inducted, these radars will be a part of the fighters as that's the tender requirement. But other avionics and sensors, like SAR, FLIR, IR will be better on the Indian planes, since we have access to western technology, which the Chinese do not have. How much can they research-develop and reverse-engineer?"

About the IAF's FGFA (fifth generation fighter aircraft), former Air Chief P.V. Naik had said that the IAF's requirement was of a twin-seater, with higher level of avionics, swing role, super cruise capability and long range weapons. In December 2010, India and Russia signed a preliminary design contract to jointly develop a FGFA, on the lines of the twin-engine T-50, also called PAK-FA, Perspective Future Aviation Komplex for Frontline Aviation. The fear is that this project will be subject to the huge delays that have dogged joint ventures with Russia

British sources reported that China is developing 3 types of fifth generation stealth fighters,and J-20 is just one of them.and there are so photos release on Chinese websites claiming being some other types of Chinese stealth fighters.but anywhy The Chengdu J-20 is not a secret and very well known in the world.

The Chengdu J-20

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This is what I called fanboy article.

Typhoon and Rafale are no match for China's MMRCA? :woot: Comparing something third rated to Typhoon or Rafale, the writer must be on high while writing this.
 
Moreover, this sounds like an Indian Kopp.. overstating abilities... the J-20 is no MMRCA..
We are not even sure if its a demonstrator or a production prototype.
We have no idea of its weapons abilities.
And, its contender is the FGFA.. not the MMRCA.
The Chinese MMRCA is the J-10.
 
Moreover, this sounds like an Indian Kopp.. overstating abilities... the J-20 is no MMRCA..
We are not even sure if its a demonstrator or a production prototype.
We have no idea of its weapons abilities.
And, its contender is the FGFA.. not the MMRCA.
The Chinese MMRCA is the J-10.

I don't believe in the abilities of any of the Chinese fighter jets. Chinese have the habit of overstating most things, including its economy, technological achievements or military. Their fighters, at best, are unproven in the battle field.
 
The journalist is worse than chor gupta.We are not buying EFT's/Rafales for countering J-20.
If the journo compared MMRCA with J-10B it would have made some sense.
 
The journalist is worse than chor gupta.We are not buying EFT's/Rafales for countering J-20.
If the journo compared MMRCA with J-10B it would have made some sense.
 
Moreover, this sounds like an Indian Kopp.. overstating abilities... the J-20 is no MMRCA..
We are not even sure if its a demonstrator or a production prototype.
We have no idea of its weapons abilities.
And, its contender is the FGFA.. not the MMRCA.
The Chinese MMRCA is the J-10.

just another article trying to push F-35 in MMRCA authors in India tries to woo American Interests in India to get leverage in Western Media, few like Arundhati Roy is an extreme example she will do anything to get attention from western media. In this case the actual audience is the western defence co. from where he is telling them please select me as your ***** in India I will right anything to push your agenda in Indian Market.
 
Moreover, this sounds like an Indian Kopp.. overstating abilities... the J-20 is no MMRCA..
We are not even sure if its a demonstrator or a production prototype.
We have no idea of its weapons abilities.
And, its contender is the FGFA.. not the MMRCA.
The Chinese MMRCA is the J-10.

just another article trying to push F-35 in MMRCA authors in India tries to woo American Interests in India to get leverage in Western Media, few like Arundhati Roy is an extreme example she will do anything to get attention from western media. In this case the actual audience is the western defence co. from where he is telling them please select me as your ***** in India I will right anything to push your agenda in Indian Market.
 
China is a new kid in the town and its already challenging Typhoon and Rafale..article is written in a sensationalizing way..just to excite some duds up.
 
[QUOTE]India will ink the world's single largest defence deal by closing the 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) contract in a couple of months.[/QUOTE]\

Indians and their obession of being big and mighty..shameful mentality indeed!

Do you know Saudi inked a $30bn deal with a single vendor and they did not boast about it being the biggest and the largest!
 
I don't believe in the abilities of any of the Chinese fighter jets. Chinese have the habit of overstating most things, including its economy, technological achievements or military. Their fighters, at best, are unproven in the battle field.

Didnt you see that is an Indian report.as for Chinese space technology,we just docked your speacship with our spacestation.
 
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