Two Opposing Terms: Islamic and Republic

[FaujHistorian]

So many Pakistanis use and abuse history and continue to be ignorant.

One such case is the use of two terms associated by Pakistan.

Islamic and Republic.

Even though the two are exact opposite of each other.

The concept of "Republic" in general means that no power for anyone claiming to have divine guidance.


Funny and sad at the same times, that such terms are combined by so-called highly educated elite in Pakistan.

A villager in Sindh, punjab, balochistan, KP will never try to use such mumbo jumbo

For him It is just Pakistan.

That's it.

But our professors, our degree holders, our big name politicians who go attend prestigious Western schools like Oxbridge and Harvard continue spreading this ignorance nay arrogance in Pakistan.

 

[T-123456]

Maybe Islamic for the population and Republik for the outside(West)?

 

[FaujHistorian]

Maybe Islamic for the population and Republik for the outside(West)?

Perhaps.

However we should also allow terms like

-- Honest Thief
-- Kind murderer
-- uneducated professor

and the list goes on.


And if someone points to the dichotomy,

We in Pakistan can simply say

Honest for West, Thief for Pakistan
Kind for West, Murderer for Pakistan
Uneducated for the West, professor for Pakistan.


You know I am not trying to start a flame war. Just pointing out the danger of combining two antonyms, or two exact opposite adjectives for the same noun.

Peace

 

[RAMPAGE]

Maybe Islamic for the population and Republik for the outside(West)?

Exactly

 

[Bilal.]

Perhaps.

However we should also allow terms like

-- Honest Thief
-- Kind murderer
-- uneducated professor

and the list goes on.


And if someone points to the dichotomy,

We in Pakistan can simply say

Honest for West, Thief for Pakistan
Kind for West, Murderer for Pakistan
Uneducated for the West, professor for Pakistan.


You know I am not trying not to start a flame war. Just pointing out the danger of combining two antonyms, or two exact opposite adjectives for the same noun.

Peace

You are not trying to start a flame war but you are substituting the term "Islamic" with analogies like thief, murderer and uneducated. As for being republic and someone claiming Devine guidance, it's simply not possible since there is no more prophethood. What you see in peer faqeers in the interior country exploiting people is more due to jahalat than real Islamic principles and teachings.

 

[M. Sarmad]

@Bilal.
Real Islamic principles and teachings are incompatible with direct or indirect democracy ...
Either we can be "Islamic" , or we can be "Republic"

 

[Leader]

Maybe Islamic for the population and Republik for the outside(West)?

Republic is actually a nation-state federation or union binded by the constitution. such as Pakistan or America.

the word Islamic republic is A muslim nation state which is binded by a constitution governed by the principle of Islam.

there is no issue. you will see some half-baked minds building and destroying correlation between two words, for their understanding is limited to words, not the philosophy behind it.

 

[Bilal.]

@Bilal.
Real Islamic principles and teachings are incompatible with direct or indirect democracy ...
Either we can be "Islamic" , or we can be "Republic"

Western democracy yes it's incompatible. For instance, you can't legislate things contrary to basic teachings of Islam which we strangely do. But general collective decision making and legislation is just fine.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Republic is actually a nation-state federation or union binded by the constitution. such as Pakistan or America..

your definition is close to that of Montesquieu.

However it is just one definition.

You go back to the idea of Republic all the way to Plato, and then move forward to the founding fathers of USA ,

you will find that divine guidance (Quran Sunna) used in a government / constitution will automatically exclude the concept of Republic.

peace.

You are not trying to start a flame war but you are substituting the term "Islamic" with analogies like thief, murderer and uneducated. As for being republic and someone claiming Devine guidance, it's simply not possible since there is no more prophethood. What you see in peer faqeers in the interior country exploiting people is more due to jahalat than real Islamic principles and teachings.

Peer faqeers are no problem


The problem is with the likes of Bhuttos and Liaqat Ali khan.

Who were depots by nature, but appeared as champions of Republican ideals.

And their despotism meant they added islamism with Republicans thus making a mockery of both.

 

[Imran Khan]

my dear islamic system of gov was failed from day one other wise 3 khalifa rashdeen was not murderes umer - usman - ali - was murdered by own people

and again hussain was murdered becasue of faild gov system and its seed a hate which is going on today

if it was so nice how wife of prophet PBUH and ali was faught safeen war ? killed thousands of sahaba those whom have direst teachings from PBUH ???????????

 

[FaujHistorian]

the word Islamic republic is A muslim nation state which is binded by a constitution governed by the principle of Islam..

Please do not spread ignorance.

A nation is just a nation,

A Muslim nation is a joke about Islam AND the concept of nation.


Nation binds on the bases of boundary and allows people to legislate on the basis of their needs and not based on one single religion.


Thank you.

 

[Leader]

Western democracy yes it's incompatible. For instance, you can't legislate things contrary to basic teachings of Islam which we strangely do. But general collective decision making and legislation is just fine.

No my friend, no. Islam is perfectly compatible with democracy, for the people and by the people.

the most perfect example of a democratic state is UK. Is a Christian state, and we are a Muslim state, it wont change...

 

[Bilal.]

True, the problem is general psyche of our elites you add or remove Islam it will make no difference. It's this mentality that is the problem.

@FaujHistorian

 

[FaujHistorian]

No my friend, no. Islam is perfectly compatible with democracy, for the people and by the people. ..

Give examples

and not just 3rd grade government schoold mutale-Pakistan story.

Thank you.

 

[Imran Khan]

Give examples

and not just 3rd grade government schoold mutale-Pakistan story.

Thank you.

i already give examples soon i will be banned from this thread as morning from 50000 qadiyanis thread