two murders in india and the need for revolution

[PlanetWarrior]

communism is the ideal state of humanity ( or a society ) that must be reached through socialism, therefore i can call myself communist or socialist.

Bullshyte. Claiming that communism must be reached through socialism is tantamount to claiming that Islam can only be understood after you embraced Hinduism. Communism and socialism is like chalk and cheese. Extremely different in nature. You can call yourself either one. Certainly not both.

like in many of my posts before - the teachings of prophet jesus and prophet muhammad are early socialism... this is my belief and of some socialists in west asia ( the baathis ) and africa.

which is why i call the works of marx and the russian revolution and those later, as modern socialism.

The teaching of those prophets were religion. Nothing more and nothing less. Marx called for the removal of all forms of religion and communism relegates religion and the religious believer to a second class citizen. The ideal citizen in a communist state is the atheist who dedicates his/her life to the class struggle. The ideal citizen in an Islamic or Christian state is the religious adherent who dedicates his/her life to God. The concept of God is taboo in a communist state and the concept of the atheist is taboo in a religious state. Chalk and cheese again ?

communism itself cannot be criticized ( for it's simple idea ) but its implementation can be... and islam itself cannot be taken in its full form into the future... for example, islam retains money system but for the present and future, money system must be abolished thus abolishing the entire field of capitalism and economics.

the "third universal theory" from libya proclaimed itself as alternative to full capitalism and the eastern implementation of communsim ( like in ussr and north korea ).

but can you give sources to where you have heard this denouncement??

Communism can be criticized. It is an unworkable and impractical system which is bound to fail. Ask Russia and China if you don't believe me. Remove the monetary system and do what ? Go back to barter? Whilst we are at it , let's remove the system of electricity and purification of water since that is also against your seemingly principled version of an equal society. Why should only the rich and those who have money have access to electricity and purified water? And what about housing? Shouldn't we all just go back to living in those caves? That would ensure an equal system. That would definately "abolish the entire field of capitalism and economics"?

Gaddafi simply pulled the wool over the eyes of the Libyans for far too long. It couldn't be indefinate though since he was unceremoniously ousted from power and killed when the Libyans established to what extent he duped them.

Read : The Journal for the Royal Institute of International Affairs : Thesis penned by Bernard Lewis entitled "Communism and Islam" , Vol 30, No1, Jan 1954 edition.

 

[Hindustani78]

note carefully this exchange between muammar gaddafi ( imam of all muslims ) and the former saudi king, abdullah ( whom the western bloc calls "custodian of holy two mosques" )...

You seems to be kidding.

Muammar Gaddafi speech was political related to regional and international politics.

Gaddafi Storms Out Of Arab Summit, Slams Saudi King For Pro-Americanism
Posted: 04/30/2009 5:12 am EDT
Doha, Qatar - Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi stormed out of an Arab summit on Monday after denouncing the Saudi king for his long ties to the West.

Russia plans navy bases in Libya, Syria,Yemen: report| Reuters
Jan 16, 2009 1:20pm GMT
Russian media reported that opening a naval base in the Libyan port of Benghazi was among the main issues discussed during Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's visit to Moscow in October last year.

 

[Diggy]

Stop giving certificates to muslims.
Please tell the leaders of muslim nations not to welcome Modi and shake hands with him or Maneka.
Talibans and Khap Panchayats are 2 sides of the same coin. If talibans are islamic then so are the khaps. I reject both khaps and talibans and people like you will declare me anti islamic... huh
I am more outraged about your petty and parochial mentality which gives opportunity to all communal forces to rise their heads in India.

bhenji apne toh pura baaja diya gaddafi ka

 

[jamahir]

You mean you are working right? Good luck with that.

me?? i am only a humble preacher.

So what?

come on... look at rain man's post she thanked.

Read : The Journal for the Royal Institute of International Affairs : Thesis penned by Bernard Lewis entitled "Communism and Islam" , Vol 30, No1, Jan 1954 edition.

lovely source.

rest of your post i will answer shortly.

Muammar Gaddafi speech was political related to regional and international politics.

which included the rejection of the western-enforced high-position of saudia in world affairs and among the less intellectual of muslims.

the speech had as much to do with muslim affairs as with international affairs.

In 2005, he told the summit in Algeria that Palestinians and Israelis are "stupid". A year earlier, he sat smoking cigars on the conference floor of the Tunisia summit to show his contempt for the other leaders.

classic gaddafi.

Russia plans navy bases in Libya, Syria,Yemen: report| Reuters
Jan 16, 2009 1:20pm GMT
Russian media reported that opening a naval base in the Libyan port of Benghazi was among the main issues discussed during Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's visit to Moscow in October last year.

and too bloody late that was.

 

[indianBong]

one of the green revolutionary commitees in russia ( За Каддафи и его народ | Меня невозможно убить, я в сердцах миллионов ).



while islam ( in its present form ) will meld into near-future communism...

when you accept maneka gandhi or some khap panchayat or modi, you are rejecting islam... not "muslims" but true islam.

one can to go a mosque ten times a day while being a member of rss and still be "muslim"... but one cannot reject the abolishing of interest-upon-loans and be true to true islam.

your choice, after all you are a free think.



you are creating a atmosphere where it becomes life-threatening to reject sangh ideology... this you are doing by thanking those posts which you should be outraged about.

I am a bit confused.... you seem to religious and communist at the same time.... which are opposite poles...!!! You are twisting socialism and incorporating into religion...
Under the veil of socialism you are trying to propagate your religion with armed struggle...... then what is the difference between you and al-quaeda/isis who got power by armed struggle.... tomorrow some brainswashed supporter will say isis represent true islam which is socialistic....

 

[Levina]

It is about the lakhs of money given in donation and seems this girl have pointed out towards it.

Was this the same girl who was killed in the hostel?

 

[jamahir]

bhenji apne toh pura baaja diya gaddafi ka

 

[Hindustani78]

which included the rejection of the western-enforced high-position of saudia in world affairs and among the less intellectual of muslims.

the speech had as much to do with muslim affairs as with international affairs.

That speech has to do with the cold war which was never ended.

and too bloody late that was.

That speech was because of that only. After the fall of Saddam , Gadaffi was not willing to be part of the regional alliance and instead of this was threathening regional countries.

 

[livingdead]

if you want a family rule whats wrong with gandhis.. they got the looks...

 

[jamahir]

I am a bit confused.... you seem to religious and communist at the same time.... which are opposite poles...!!! You are twisting socialism and incorporating into religion...

my reply to planet warrior on this, ( two murders in india and the need for revolution | Page 2 ).

Under the veil of socialism you are trying to propagate your religion with armed struggle...... then what is the difference between you and al-quaeda/isis who got power by armed struggle....

qaeda/isis/taliban/ikhwaan/shabaab etc go against human values so clearly... no person with sane mind can accept their activities.

tomorrow some brainswashed supporter will say isis represent true islam which is socialistic....

how?? socialism needs certain words, works and ambitions to be called socialism... even bill gates is more socialistic than ikhwaan/qaeda.

if you want a family rule whats wrong with gandhis.. they got the looks...

 

[indianBong]

@jamahir
I quote...
Vladimir Lenin was highly critical of religion, saying in his book Religion

"Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism."

Karl Marx
He famously stated in Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right

"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. "

 

[Swaha]

me?? i am only a humble preacher.

I don't think your preaching will have any effect in India or the world, but its OK...you carry on.

come on... look at rain man's post she thanked.

You've negative views on Modi & Hinduism, but you're unable to accept people having the same for Gaddafi & jamahiriya??

 

[jamahir]

@jamahir
I quote...
Vladimir Lenin was highly critical of religion, saying in his book Religion

"Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism."

Karl Marx
He famously stated in Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right

"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. "

from my own old post ( The Worldwide Government | Page 3 )...

many of my posts speak of a unified humanity where money and present religions have been declared obsolete and removed... many of my posts speak of the scientific and natural idea of "world socialism"...

if there are people who believe in god then they can continue to believe that in a humanity where religious mysticism ( prayer, ritual hope in divine help, festival ) has been abolished... this is as long as their actions or thoughts do not clash with the established communist system.

by the way, hugo chavez believed in god, yet he is a communist leader, a great one.

 

[magudi]

Brother @jamahir

I stand by you in this hour of dire need of revolution

Let's sweep these sanghis out of floor one by one

 

[Hindustani78]

Was this the same girl who was killed in the hostel?

Yes.

Home Minister K J George, who visited the college, said the two students were at the hostel last night when the attender “shot at one girl and has killed her.”