Two Indian Soldiers killed in cross-border firing

[Vengeful One]

We know Khwaja Asif is your biological father who f*cked your mata shree so it is natural he is authentic to you.

But fact is that only 12 Pakistani soldiers were martyred while around 18 confirmed Indian deaths.

Any samaa interview by your abbu is not authentic for us.



And not to forget that Tweet from a random TV program has no authenticity. Indian military casualties are always more than Pakistani in past few years while India forced with no choice but to attack civilians to hide it humiliation. A supposed tough guy like Modi failed to bring any respite for poor Indian soldiers. They are getting a brick for every stone they throw at Pakistan.

We know Ispr is you biological father who did your ammi so it is natural you wil believe him.

Since Defence minister is higher on order of precedence than COAS any figure rated as durust by him has automatic authenticity.

The fact is 27 Pakistani soldiers were killed.

Banned while f*cking you like a b!tch. Nothing humiliating about that.

Still sore like a b!tch after I exposed the fact that ISPR did not report the death of 3 soldiers of 32 baloch regiment among many others on LoC.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

I think you got me wrong, I am not talking about the numbers killed, I am talking about intent, if China were to kill all those campers, what will happen? There will be the same situation as Pakistan and Bangladesh, a localized skirmish.

What would happen is we will kill your roadbuilding contingent in return.We have 3 divisions in Sikkim alone ..you have 2 brigades and one of them in chumbi valley is surrounded on both sides by us with our artillery looking down on their positions.So yes it would be a localized skirmish..but not in your favour.Just like what happened in nathu LA in 1967 when our artillery in higher positions pounded PLA in this area.

As to the particular incident in question in the LOC ,yes PA snipers have been a nuisance of late as their dedicated rifles are more accurate and have greater range than our units except spl forces.Our dragunov is more of a designated marksman rifle designed for mobile combat than static bunker warfare.Army has identified the problem and 5000 rifles tender has been sent out.It will take a few years to rectify..in the meantime it will rely on greater volume of firepower due to larger numbers of heavy weapons like 120mm mortars etc that we can bring to bear to settle the score in a time of its choosing as is the norm.In the end these cycles of casualties profit no one except bringing grief to the families of the dead servicemen.

 

[Han Patriot]

What would happen is we will kill your roadbuilding contingent in return.We have 3 divisions in Sikkim alone ..you have 2 brigades and one of them in chumbi valley is surrounded on both sides by us with our artillery looking down on their positions.So yes it would be a localized skirmish..but not in your favour.Just like what happened in nathu LA in 1967 when our artillery in higher positions pounded PLA in this area.

As to the particular incident in question in the LOC ,yes PA snipers have been a nuisance of late as their dedicated rifles are more accurate and have greater range than our units except spl forces.Our dragunov is more of a designated marksman rifle designed for mobile combat than static bunker warfare.Army has identified the problem and 5000 rifles tender has been sent out.It will take a few years to rectify..in the meantime it will rely on greater volume of firepower due to larger numbers of heavy weapons like 120mm mortars etc that we can bring to bear to settle the score in a time of its choosing as is the norm.In the end these cycles of casualties profit no one except bringing grief to the families of the dead servicemen.

So the Chinese has a loud speaker telling you they have 2 brigades in Chumbi Valley? LOL. If China were to response, what do you think will happen to your artillery? We have 400km MLRS with precision guided GPS munitions. Again what happened in Nathu La? According to Indians, you killed 10, then 30 and then now 300 Chinese in an area not disputed until recently. Bro, creating myths to boost your ego is not productive.

 

[Areesh]

We know Ispr is you biological father who did your ammi so it is natural you wil believe him.

Since Defence minister is higher on order of precedence than COAS any figure rated as durust by him has automatic authenticity.

ISPR is part of army hat is fucking you on LOC. So obviously I would believe them.

Defense minister is a fool and was also threatening Israel on a fake news.

The fact is 27 Pakistani soldiers were killed.

27 random commuters r@ped your mom on Delhi metro. That is the only fact right now.

Still sore like a b!tch after I exposed the fact that ISPR did not report the death of 3 soldiers of 32 baloch regiment among many others on LoC.

What expose bharati gandu?

Your so called expose are limited to random twitter and facebook posts which are as public and without credibility as vagina of every female in your family.

 

[Vengeful One]

ISPR is part of army hat is fucking you on LOC. So obviously I would believe them.

Defense minister is a fool and was also threatening Israel on a fake news.

27 random commuters r@ped your mom on Delhi metro. That is the only fact right now.

Defence minister is way above DG ISPR in order of precedence so his words are the gospel.

Your mother was sold 27 times in he heera mandi

What expose bharati gandu?

Your so called expose are limited to random twitter and facebook posts which are as public and without credibility as vagina of every female in your family.

Here is ISPR which has same credibility as vagina of your family females and anus of your family males
https://www.ispr.gov.pk/Shahuda List.pdf

 

[Areesh]

Defence minister is way above DG ISPR in order of precedence so his words are the gospel.

His words are gospel for you because he slept with your mom.

Not for us. ISPR belongs to the same institution that killed 2 soldiers from Jammu and they are the real deal here.

Your mother was sold 27 times in he heera mandi

Heera mandi is no more. Unlike Kamathipura where your mom is a big ticket item.

Here is ISPR which has same credibility as vagina of your family females and anus of your family males

Obviously this list of ISPR is authentic so don't manipulate it like Khwaja Asif manipulated your mom's vagina. That list is far holier than your mom and all her body.

 

[Vengeful One]

His words are gospel for you because he slept with your mom.

Not for us. ISPR belongs to the same institution that killed 2 soldiers from Jammu and they are the real deal here.



Heera mandi is no more. Unlike Kamathipura where your mom is a big ticket item.



Obviously this list of ISPR is authentic so don't manipulate it like Khwaja Asif manipulated your mom's vagina. That list is far holier than your mom and all her body.

Crybaby, ISPR is gospel to you because he slept with your mom.

ISPR belongs to the same institution thousands of which surrendered before Indian Army.

Heera Mandi is where you were born.

Obviously this list of Khwaja is authentic as after he manipulated your entire families vagina.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

So the Chinese has a loud speaker telling you they have 2 brigades in Chumbi Valley? LOL. If China were to response, what do you think will happen to your artillery? We have 400km MLRS with precision guided GPS munitions. Again what happened in Nathu La? According to Indians, you killed 10, then 30 and then now 300 Chinese in an area not disputed until recently. Bro, creating myths to boost your ego is not productive.

Its not loudspeaker man.Atleast know your own ORBAT.(order of battle)

See you have only 2 forward deployed mountain infantry brigades(52 and 53rd) and 1 forward deployed mechanized infantry brigade.These are the only 3 units you have on the tibet plateau proper and are acclimatized.The rest are in Xinjiang or to the East.

Above is your position in chumbi valley you are surrounded on both sides with our artillery having the high ground and sited on the reverse slope completely dominating your positions.Your MBRL is useless against reverse slope positions(because of trajectory ),nor does it have enough penetration to destroy dug in heavy bunkers,you need large calibre rounds of tube artillery with their corresponding weight/heavy aerial bombs for that.As for your MBRL flying over the himalyan mountain peaks to hit the indian plains that some chinese posters seem to fantasize of,i suppose its possible with 'chinese science'.Your rockets will phase through the mountains.Nathu la incident is well documented and you will find several references in the newspaper archives of the day if you want to search.Its not my fault CCP censorship keeps you ignorant of any potentially embarassing incidents in its history.

Expand image.Above is general order of battle of Indian army.This ORBAT is a few years old and several new units facing china have been raised since then but will give you a rough idea.Indian Eastern command faces solely China.It has 9 specialized mountain divisions(each with 3 mountain infantry brigades and support units/artillery brigade) in 3 army corps.3 divisions are in sikkim.3 in Central and western arunachal pradesh and 3 more in eastern arunachal and nagaland.It has another infantry division in Ranchi as theatre reserve.

Sikkim/Bhutan/Chicken's neck region constitutes the 'middle sector' of the LAC and due to its strategic importance India deploys 3 whole mountain divisions in this region.Not shown in the older ORBAT above is that India has deployed an independent armoured brigade in Sikkim as well recently.The Eastern sector of Arunachal/Nagaland has 6 mountain divisions as stated above.

Then there is 'western sector' in Ladakh in Kashmir facing Aksai chin.Here 14th corps has 1 infantry and 1 mountain division.Recently an independent armoured brigade of 150 odd tanks has been deployed to beef up this sector.Our strike corps at Ambala can reinforce this area quickly,as can our huge forces present in Kashmir.

What will Mountain strike corps do?
Add 2 infantry divisions and 2 independent armoured brigades.1st division has been made operational with 16,000 troops at panagrah.This then adds to the strength of the eastern command by adding 1 more division(already 9 mtn and 1 inf plus 1 arm brigade).Another armoured brigade will be raised and added to arunachal area under mountain strike corps.

2ndly,Mountain strike corps's 2nd division has begun to be raised in Pathankot in Kashmir which will add to the strength of our 14th corps in Ladakh.Another armoured brigade too will be added in this area under MSC.

(partly accurate map,except not taking into account reserves.Chinese ORBAT is older before reorganization into western theatre)

Eastern sector in arunachal.No country for tanks or mechanized vehicles.

A somewhat old and rough map from Jane's.We have 1 brahmos regiment already deployed in Arunachal with 100 missiles targeting mainly supply depots and rail/road links into Tibet.Another regiment will be raised with MSC.3 more brahmos regiments with ~240-300 missiles target pakistan in our 3 strike corps.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...s-exercise-in-ladakh/articleshow/58884540.cms
Deployment of 2nd inf division of MSC beginning.First one operational.

https://www.telegraphindia.com/1160718/jsp/frontpage/story_97322.jsp
Recent reinforcing of forces at Ladakh.

So now look at the balance of forces and then talk.You people seem to have little knowledge of actual forces on ground.Oh and remember Type-96B tanks and others,your most numerous main battle tank is useless in tibet due to air cooled diesel engines.Type-99 heavy tank can only be deployed in ladakh region due to terrain restriction.We are not worried about your light tanks and older type-96A.Our entire defence force is composed of mountain specialists,your forces are coming from the plains if you mobilize(which you can do faster) and will not be acclimatized,nor do they have any experience in mountain combat.So who is boosting who's ego,bro?Our position is clear,maintain status quo.China disturbed its status quo by unilateral roadbuilding attempt in sensitive area ,it can return to status quo and we all go back to how things were.Or it can attack if it wants,we are prepared.But please enough with the warnings already,its laughable now.

 

[waz]

@waz @WAJsal @The Eagle multiple ID troll is back.



Funny a loser with dozens of fake IDs is calling others fake

Keep reporting him bro.

 

[Han Patriot]

Its not loudspeaker man.Atleast know your own ORBAT.(order of battle)

See you have only 2 forward deployed mountain infantry brigades(52 and 53rd) and 1 forward deployed mechanized infantry brigade.These are the only 3 units you have on the tibet plateau proper and are acclimatized.The rest are in Xinjiang or to the East.

Above is your position in chumbi valley you are surrounded on both sides with our artillery having the high ground and sited on the reverse slope completely dominating your positions.Your MBRL is useless against reverse slope positions(because of trajectory ),nor does it have enough penetration to destroy dug in heavy bunkers,you need large calibre rounds of tube artillery with their corresponding weight/heavy aerial bombs for that.As for your MBRL flying over the himalyan mountain peaks to hit the indian plains that some chinese posters seem to fantasize of,i suppose its possible with 'chinese science'.Your rockets will phase through the mountains.Nathu la incident is well documented and you will find several references in the newspaper archives of the day if you want to search.Its not my fault CCP censorship keeps you ignorant of any potentially embarassing incidents in its history.

Expand image.Above is general order of battle of Indian army.This ORBAT is a few years old and several new units facing china have been raised since then but will give you a rough idea.Indian Eastern command faces solely China.It has 9 specialized mountain divisions(each with 3 mountain infantry brigades and support units/artillery brigade) in 3 army corps.3 divisions are in sikkim.3 in Central and western arunachal pradesh and 3 more in eastern arunachal and nagaland.It has another infantry division in Ranchi as theatre reserve.

Sikkim/Bhutan/Chicken's neck region constitutes the 'middle sector' of the LAC and due to its strategic importance India deploys 3 whole mountain divisions in this region.Not shown in the older ORBAT above is that India has deployed an independent armoured brigade in Sikkim as well recently.The Eastern sector of Arunachal/Nagaland has 6 mountain divisions as stated above.

Then there is 'western sector' in Ladakh in Kashmir facing Aksai chin.Here 14th corps has 1 infantry and 1 mountain division.Recently an independent armoured brigade of 150 odd tanks has been deployed to beef up this sector.Our strike corps at Ambala can reinforce this area quickly,as can our huge forces present in Kashmir.

What will Mountain strike corps do?
Add 2 infantry divisions and 2 independent armoured brigades.1st division has been made operational with 16,000 troops at panagrah.This then adds to the strength of the eastern command by adding 1 more division(already 9 mtn and 1 inf plus 1 arm brigade).Another armoured brigade will be raised and added to arunachal area under mountain strike corps.

2ndly,Mountain strike corps's 2nd division has begun to be raised in Pathankot in Kashmir which will add to the strength of our 14th corps in Ladakh.Another armoured brigade too will be added in this area under MSC.

(partly accurate map,except not taking into account reserves.Chinese ORBAT is older before reorganization into western theatre)

Eastern sector in arunachal.No country for tanks or mechanized vehicles.

A somewhat old and rough map from Jane's.We have 1 brahmos regiment already deployed in Arunachal with 100 missiles targeting mainly supply depots and rail/road links into Tibet.Another regiment will be raised with MSC.3 more brahmos regiments with ~240-300 missiles target pakistan in our 3 strike corps.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...s-exercise-in-ladakh/articleshow/58884540.cms
Deployment of 2nd inf division of MSC beginning.First one operational.

https://www.telegraphindia.com/1160718/jsp/frontpage/story_97322.jsp
Recent reinforcing of forces at Ladakh.

So now look at the balance of forces and then talk.You people seem to have little knowledge of actual forces on ground.Oh and remember Type-96B tanks and others,your most numerous main battle tank is useless in tibet due to air cooled diesel engines.Type-99 heavy tank can only be deployed in ladakh region due to terrain restriction.We are not worried about your light tanks and older type-96A.Our entire defence force is composed of mountain specialists,your forces are coming from the plains if you mobilize(which you can do faster) and will not be acclimatized,nor do they have any experience in mountain combat.So who is boosting who's ego,bro?Our position is clear,maintain status quo.China disturbed its status quo by unilateral roadbuilding attempt in sensitive area ,it can return to status quo and we all go back to how things were.Or it can attack if it wants,we are prepared.But please enough with the warnings already,its laughable now.

Bro, you really believe those information from Janes? So the PLA is gonna print in nice maps telling you exactly their military size and location. Those orbat are just references, nobody knows the exact size and detachment of Chinese deployment. Are you really that naive?

OTOH, India is so transparent, Chinese don't even have to spy on India, they will tell you exactly how big their deployment is. Smart isn't it?

Type 96B is useless in Tibet and yet they just tested it in Tibet? Hmm, very convincing reasoning from you. So you have access to Chinese tanks and even know their cooling systems? Why can't air cooled engines be used in Tibet? Can you enlighten me?

Brahmos, the <300km oversized missile? Bro, you don't need to use supersonic missiles to attack land targets ok. Have it ever crossed your mind that China has 3000km cruise missiles? We can just sit in Lhasa and bomb the hell out of the NE. Do you have such a capability?

Sometimes, I think you guys are really naive. We know your exact strengths and you htink we do not have countermeasures? Do you really know the exact Chinese strengths? We freaking even know how many planes there are in Tezpur, the Indian loudspeaker will announce it. LOL

 

[nair]

RIP.....Unnecessary loss of life..... But one positive thing, We get to know the actual casualitites......

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Bro, you really believe those information from Janes? So the PLA is gonna print in nice maps telling you exactly their military size and location. Those orbat are just references, nobody knows the exact size and detachment of Chinese deployment. Are you really that naive?

OTOH, India is so transparent, Chinese don't even have to spy on India, they will tell you exactly how big their deployment is. Smart isn't it?

Type 96B is useless in Tibet and yet they just tested it in Tibet? Hmm, very convincing reasoning from you. So you have access to Chinese tanks and even know their cooling systems? Why can't air cooled engines be used in Tibet? Can you enlighten me?

Brahmos, the <300km oversized missile? Bro, you don't need to use supersonic missiles to attack land targets ok. Have it ever crossed your mind that China has 3000km cruise missiles? We can just sit in Lhasa and bomb the hell out of the NE. Do you have such a capability?

Sometimes, I think you guys are really naive. We know your exact strengths and you htink we do not have countermeasures? Do you really know the exact Chinese strengths? We freaking even know how many planes there are in Tezpur, the Indian loudspeaker will announce it. LOL

First of all information is based on your Government's defence white paper and confirmed by satellite and US intelligence.You own army has publicly underwent this reorganization into western theatre recently.If you are not aware of the deployment of your own army yet you are bragging,you need to expand your knowledge.Air cooled diesel engines are no good in such altitudes because the density of air in such altitudes is very thin and temperature of air is very low,these impair normal functioning of engine for sustained operations.

Brahmos is actually 450-600 km now,after we joined MTCR.Its advantage is enormous kinetic energy due to speed,more powerful and semi-armour piercing warhead which enables us to engage hardened targets.Our ability in this regard will only increase once SCALP missiles with penetrator BROACH warheads arrive with Rafale .Subsonic cruise missiles have more range ,yes and are cheaper.But are easier to shoot down,have far less damage potential.Moreover subsonic missiles rely on Terrain hugging,this is very difficult to do in mountainous terrain and missile is likely to collide with mountain surface.The brahmos we deployed in NE in contrast is modified block III designed specifically for steep dive attacks in mountainous terrain.Our target with Brahmos is simple,we destroy the gas pipeline from the mainland that supplies fuel for vehicles/aircraft in tibet and we destroy the 2-3 main road and rail links that connect tibet with xinjiang and mainland china.This can be done quickly and easily and repeated several times even if repaired.Once these road/rail links and fuel is gone it doesn't matter how many soldiers you have in tibet,they starve.No oil,no ammo,no reinforcements. You can see the main road/rail links in the last map.

You brag about subsonic missiles,just look at their impact.In syria USA fired 59 of the gold standard in subsonic cruise missiles -tomahawk.What happened?They did some holes on the ground and destroyed a few old migs on the open in the ground.Base was functioning as usual next morning.Subsonic missiles don't have enough killing power to destroy hardened targets.Its good for destroying unprotected targets such as buildings.Thats why you need airpower with heavy 1000 lb-2000lb bombs.And your airpower is completely handicapped over tibet in payload,performance,and time in the air.You cant use your frontline AWACs either,nor can you use more than 30-40% of your airforce due to limited number of bases.These planes would also require oil supplies from mainland to keep functioning.

We know you know we have sukhoi squadrons in tezpur and soon rafale in hashimara with meteor and scalp.We ahve never tried to hide it.Question is what can you do about it?Not a whole lot.Similarly our frontier radars easily pick up all chinese aircraft movement in tibet due to flat terrain.Our airbases on the western sector,north india can flank your airbases in tibet using terrain masking as well.The PLAAF planes lack OBOGs on top of that,which makes them largely ineffective in high altitude warfare.All our frontline jets mig-29,mirage-2000 and su-30mki have them.PLAAF knows its limitations and has thus deployed s-400 in the area to protect itself.This is the real challenge for IAF for airstrikes into tibet,not PLAAF fighters which are handicapped.Rafale with SPECTRA and scalp and our own s-400 is for dealing with this.

 

[Han Patriot]

First of all information is based on your Government's defence white paper and confirmed by satellite and US intelligence.You own army has publicly underwent this reorganization into western theatre recently.If you are not aware of the deployment of your own army yet you are bragging,you need to expand your knowledge.Air cooled diesel engines are no good in such altitudes because the density of air in such altitudes is very thin and temperature of air is very low,these impair normal functioning of engine for sustained operations.

OOO yes, our government will tell you we have x amount of soldiers and x amount of equipment there. Damn, you guys are real naive. So can you tell me which US satellite confirmed it and which white paper tells you the exact troop deployment? Use some common sense.

If you are right on those air cooled engines, then why are those tanks being deployed in Tibet? Btw, we do have liquid cooled engine technology, so what is stopping us? Can you provide me a link to a source? By your logic, those T-96B would have failed the test right? Why still deploy it there? OOO no, we Chinese are born stupid, we will deploy an unworkable tank like how Indians deploy Arjunk.
But these stupid people have 5x the economy and produce most of their weapons indigenously, how ironic.

Brahmos is actually 450-600 km now,after we joined MTCR.Its advantage is enormous kinetic energy due to speed,more powerful and semi-armour piercing warhead which enables us to engage hardened targets.Our ability in this regard will only increase once SCALP missiles with penetrator BROACH warheads arrive with Rafale .Subsonic cruise missiles have more range ,yes and are cheaper.But are easier to shoot down,have far less damage potential.Moreover subsonic missiles rely on Terrain hugging,this is very difficult to do in mountainous terrain and missile is likely to collide with mountain surface.The brahmos we deployed in NE in contrast is modified block III designed specifically for steep dive attacks in mountainous terrain.Our target with Brahmos is simple,we destroy the gas pipeline from the mainland that supplies fuel for vehicles/aircraft in tibet and we destroy the 2-3 main road and rail links that connect tibet with xinjiang and mainland china.This can be done quickly and easily and repeated several times even if repaired.Once these road/rail links and fuel is gone it doesn't matter how many soldiers you have in tibet,they starve.No oil,no ammo,no reinforcements. You can see the main road/rail links in the last map.

Yah you joined MTCR in 2016 and in a few months time all Brahmos are now 400-600km. 400 to 600km is a 200km difference, so which is it. Or you are having a guesstimate again? We have access to the same Oniks OK, we know how it works and which seeker it uses. We can jam the hell out of it if we wanted to. Do you have access to Chinese seekrs? And you think we won't destroy your air base and missile batteries 1000km away from Yunnan using our precision cruise missiles which you currently do not possess?

You brag about subsonic missiles,just look at their impact.In syria USA fired 59 of the gold standard in subsonic cruise missiles -tomahawk.What happened?They did some holes on the ground and destroyed a few old migs on the open in the ground.Base was functioning as usual next morning.Subsonic missiles don't have enough killing power to destroy hardened targets.Its good for destroying unprotected targets such as buildings.Thats why you need airpower with heavy 1000 lb-2000lb bombs.And your airpower is completely handicapped over tibet in payload,performance,and time in the air.You cant use your frontline AWACs either,nor can you use more than 30-40% of your airforce due to limited number of bases.These planes would also require oil supplies from mainland to keep functioning.

China has both subsonic and supersonic missiles, the damage of missiles do not depend on the speed, it depends on the explosive payload. And only stupid people target land targets with supersonic missiles. It's like using laser cutters to cut firewood.

Unless your SU-30MKI and Oniks are hiding in caves, cruise missiles raining on Tezpur will destroy most of your air force.

We know you know we have sukhoi squadrons in tezpur and soon rafale in hashimara with meteor and scalp.We ahve never tried to hide it.Question is what can you do about it?Not a whole lot.Similarly our frontier radars easily pick up all chinese aircraft movement in tibet due to flat terrain.Our airbases on the western sector,north india can flank your airbases in tibet using terrain masking as well.The PLAAF planes lack OBOGs on top of that,which makes them largely ineffective in high altitude warfare.All our frontline jets mig-29,mirage-2000 and su-30mki have them.PLAAF knows its limitations and has thus deployed s-400 in the area to protect itself.This is the real challenge for IAF for airstrikes into tibet,not PLAAF fighters which are handicapped.Rafale with SPECTRA and scalp and our own s-400 is for dealing with this.

Rain tezpur with long range missiles, then J-20s take out those radars, then J-11/J10s come in. Y-20 deploy troops and tanks, light howitzers.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

OOO yes, our government will tell you we have x amount of soldiers and x amount of equipment there. Damn, you guys are real naive. So can you tell me which US satellite confirmed it and which white paper tells you the exact troop deployment? Use some common sense.

If you are right on those air cooled engines, then why are those tanks being deployed in Tibet? Btw, we do have liquid cooled engine technology, so what is stopping us? Can you provide me a link to a source? By your logic, those T-96B would have failed the test right? Why still deploy it there? OOO no, we Chinese are born stupid, we will deploy an unworkable tank like how Indians deploy Arjunk.
But these stupid people have 5x the economy and produce most of their weapons indigenously, how ironic.


Yah you joined MTCR in 2016 and in a few months time all Brahmos are now 400-600km. 400 to 600km is a 200km difference, so which is it. Or you are having a guesstimate again? We have access to the same Oniks OK, we know how it works and which seeker it uses. We can jam the hell out of it if we wanted to. Do you have access to Chinese seekrs? And you think we won't destroy your air base and missile batteries 1000km away from Yunnan using our precision cruise missiles which you currently do not possess?

China has both subsonic and supersonic missiles, the damage of missiles do not depend on the speed, it depends on the explosive payload. And only stupid people target land targets with supersonic missiles. It's like using laser cutters to cut firewood.

Unless your SU-30MKI and Oniks are hiding in caves, cruise missiles raining on Tezpur will destroy most of your air force.

Rain tezpur with long range missiles, then J-20s take out those radars, then J-11/J10s come in. Y-20 deploy troops and tanks, light howitzers.

You are so ill-informed its incredible how you ever thought you could make random comments in defence threads.These deployments are common knowledge to anyone with basic information about LAC .They are confirmed by satellite/aerial reconaissance,US intelligence papers,reknowned international defence think tanks as well as your own government's official paper.This is not some super duper secret information.This is general information.Your army recently reorganized its forces into western theatre.Please talk to actual serving officers in PLA .

More hyperbole.Please show me Type-96B (Not type-96A which has watercooled engine) in exercises in tibet plateau proper.(Not exercising in xinjiang deserts).And not a feasibility study exercise to see if tank is useable for sustained ops,but full fledged operational exercise in mass.If you could use it in sustained ops you wouldn't need light tank which is inferior on all parameters of firepower and protection.

We joined MTCR almost a year now.And yes there was no hardware change needed,just a small software change which allowed the brahmos to use the excess fuel capacity.
http://defenceupdate.in/indias-new-600-km-range-brahmos-missile-can-spread-panic-in-entire-pakistan/
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/03/true-brahmos-unleashed-today-next-1000-km-weapon.html
(already tested back in march).No new modifications needed,existing missiles can be modified in a few days.
First of all source code and frequency is different,you don't even have any idea what you are talking about.You have no idea of advantages of supersonic missiles and are again talking like a child.

Brahmos has - Greater kinetic energy, more difficult to intercept,semi armour piercing warhead,steep dive attack capability for mountains to attack targets on reverse slope and avoid being hit by landscape.We can hit all but the most hardened targets with it.

Subsonic missiles - Main feature is terrain hugging to avoid detection.This feature is almost useless in mountains and a liability as it will hit the mountain surface and take itself out.Subsonic speed means if detected even anti aircraft gun can take it out with saturation fire burst.Unlike brahmos has no specialized dive attack capability optimized for mountain terrain.Only advantage is its cheap.Can't take out hardened targets.Poor kinetic energy of impact and low penetration warhead.Just look at tomahawk strikes against third rate airforce like syria.Fired 59 subsonic tomahawks - next morning base operational as if nothing happened.So again you revealed your lack of understanding of the details and went ballistic with paper numbers.The devil is in the details -pay attention to them.

Now as for raining missiles on Tezpur.
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/19...g_108_Hardened_Aircraft_Shelters#.WWh5oDVlfjs
We already have hardened shelters for our sukhois capable of withstanding over 1000 pound warheads.It is able to withstand the warheads on cruise missiles without problem.We are now upgrading the shelters to withstand 2000 pound warheads which could only be taken out by heavy bunker busters delivered by aircraft.As your airforce lacks such capability due to being handicapped and congested in limited airbases,there goes your pipe dream.And Tezpur is not the only base.We have 11 airbases in North east facing your 5 in tibet.We have 12 airbases in northern sector in ladakh facing your just 2.In a missile shootout,whose aircraft do you think will fall.Ours spread out in multiple airbases or yours congested in a handful?

Your missiles can only do modest damage,your airforce is handicapped and unable to protect the fat elephant y20.If it tries to enter Indian airspace,(we can pick it up on radar even as it is taking off due to flat tibet plateau)it will be shot down with troops in it .Please wake me up,when J20 squadrons are operational and actually deployed facing india,first try to find a proper engine for it that can supercruise.

 

[pakistan army of mehdi]

An Israeli Colonel's message for the Indians.

Col Avner Mueller

Col Avner Mueller-Ramat Gan, Israel-4 hours ago
Every single day I read news about Indian soldiers getting killed by Pakistani army. Do you Indians feel no pain at the loss of the lives of your soldiers? I am specifically pointing fingers at your government. Unless you show the world you can strike back, and with vengeance, the world will keep thinking of you Indians as weak and worthless. You will have no standing on the world stage, from a respect standpoint. Is this how you Indians like to be viewed worldwide? We Israelis respect the life of every single soldier, no matter his or her rank in the IDF.

tell him. they aren't unarmed Palestinians. they always strike back later too with same power.

Actually we seized pyrdiwah from Bangladesh as a punishment and our retaliation was so ferocious that entire BDR had to be disbanded.


27 Pakistani soldiers were killed on LoC in 2016 alone, same year only 18 of our soldiers died on LoC (incl 1 from accident).
A kill ratio of 1.5:1.

https://twitter.com/x/status/802014054382501888

even after this khawaja asif interview the government have shared the figures which is 12. the senate was given the same figures month after this interview.

 

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You are so ill-informed its incredible how you ever thought you could make random comments in defence threads.These deployments are common knowledge to anyone with basic information about LAC .They are confirmed by satellite/aerial reconaissance,US intelligence papers,reknowned international defence think tanks as well as your own government's official paper.This is not some super duper secret information.This is general information.Your army recently reorganized its forces into western theatre.Please talk to actual serving officers in PLA .

So tell me how big is the brigade, how many equipment are in there, from where? Which satellite? Just use some common sense, India is amassing military at the border and the Chinese are stupid enough to just let is be a lopsided balance? Do we have the money? Yes, Do we have the soldiers? Yes, Do we have the technology, Yes. So does it make sense to have just 2 brigades against 200 000 Indian soldiers. Just ponder for a while.

Tell me which satellite officially confirms that, which US intelligence paper, which renowned think tank. I am waiting. Which white paper, show me the quote, dissect it, we can discuss piece by piece.

More hyperbole.Please show me Type-96B (Not type-96A which has watercooled engine) in exercises in tibet plateau proper.(Not exercising in xinjiang deserts).If you could use it you wouldn't need light tank which is inferior on all parameters of firepower and protection.

Why should I prove anything, you are claiming it is air cooled and not liquid cooled. The burden of proof lies with the claimant. I am telling you I don't know because the PLA will not divulge these information. What i do know and this was officially announced was these tanks were designed to work in the Tibetan plateau. Now tell me expert, why would the Chinese with access to both types of technology put a tank in the plateau if it is not gonna work. Right, we are only stupid, and yet we kicked your genius ar*ses.

Btw, you still haven't explained to me with source and proof why a air cooled tank wouldn't work. I am waiting. No point typing an essay if you are not intending to answer my argument.

joined MTCR almost a year now.And yes there was no hardware change needed,just a small software change which allowed the brahmos to use the excess fuel capacity.
http://defenceupdate.in/indias-new-600-km-range-brahmos-missile-can-spread-panic-in-entire-pakistan/
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/03/true-brahmos-unleashed-today-next-1000-km-weapon.html
(already tested back in march).No new modifications needed,existing missiles can be modified in a few days.
First of all source code and frequency is different,you don't even have any idea what you are talking about.You have no idea of advantages of supersonic missiles and are again talking like a child.

OMG, you are 'smarter' than I thought. It was just a software flick to increase rocket range to double the range? Great I rest my case. And all that can happen in one year. . WTF, now it is claimed to be 1000km. Bro, no point developing any missiles, Brahmos can do miracles like Hanuman. Gosh you guys are naive.

Brahmos has - Greater kinetic energy, more difficult to intercept,semi armour piercing warhead,steep dive attack capability for mountains to attack targets on reverse slope and avoid being hit by landscape.We can hit all but the most hardened targets with it.

Subsonic missiles - Main feature is terrain hugging to avoid detection.This feature is almost useless in mountains and a liability as it will hit the mountain surface and take itself out.Subsonic speed means if detected even anti aircraft gun can take it out with saturation fire burst.Unlike brahmos has no specialized dive attack capability optimized for mountain terrain.Only advantage is its cheap.Can't take out hardened targets.Poor kinetic energy of impact and low penetration warhead.Just look at tomahawk strikes against third rate airforce like syria.Fired 59 subsonic tomahawks - next morning base operational as if nothing happened.So again you revealed your lack of understanding of the details and went ballistic with paper numbers.The devil is in the details -pay attention to them.

Bro, these are STATIC LAND TARGETS, why the f are you using supersonic missiles? You know why people use it on ships? Damn, this is crazy man. You use Brahmos for everything, it's the same crazy fanaticism that Modi can do everything. You guys need to stop like monkey on every small lil thing.

Blast power has nothing to do with missile speed genius. Try going against a hundred cheap cruise missiles. Btw, we make both supersonic and subsonic missiles, yet we are not so stupid to use lasers to cut firewood. Just because you don't have the ability to make an axe, stop bragging about using lasers to cut firewood. China makes both.

Now as for raining missiles on Tezpur.
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/19...g_108_Hardened_Aircraft_Shelters#.WWh5oDVlfjs
We already have hardened shelters for our sukhois capable of withstanding over 1000 pound warheads.It is able to withstand the warheads on cruise missiles without problem.We are now upgrading the shelters to withstand 2000 pound warheads which could only be taken out by heavy bunker busters delivered by aircraft.As your airforce lacks such capability due to being handicapped and congested in limited airbases,there goes your pipe dream.And Tezpur is not the only base.We have 11 airbases in North east facing your 5 in tibet.We have 12 airbases in northern sector in ladakh facing your just 2.In a missile shootout,whose aircraft do you think will fall.Ours spread out in multiple airbases or yours congested in a handful?

Your missiles can only do modest damage,your airforce is handicapped and unable to protect the fat elephant y20.If it tries to enter Indian airspace,(we can pick it up on radar even as it is taking off due to flat tibet plateau)it will be shot down with troops in it .

That article is talking about a plan, how many had been built? NONE. Btw, there are bunker buster cruise missiles. We can also damage the runway and your plane can be stuck in those bunkers till the war is over.

J-20s can sweep your radars, then the J-11/J10 can come in to finish the job. After aerial security is enforced, Y-20s can come in to put in the light howitzers tanks.. We have all these ready, India? NONE. You need to import..........LOL