Two billion Muslims do nothing Shame. Retired General Asim munier is only man in 2 billions with atomic bomb

[Novus ordu seclorum]

So now the goalposts have moved from the "last two decades" to time immemorial? Islam itself was turned into a political force by its followers and used for expansion and conquests first.

Islam is universally prosyletizing. People from non Muslim backgrounds came into it. If they bring their wrong understanding that it is something political, that is not a problem of religion.

 

[VCheng]

Islam is universally prosyletizing. People from non Muslim backgrounds came into it. If they bring their wrong understanding that it is something political, that is not a problem of religion.

If that statement is true, then the reverse statement of trying to blame others for politicization is just as false.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

If that statement is true, then the reverse statement of trying to blame others for politicization is just as false.

"Islam hates us" is a nonsense statement because nobody owns Islam, it has a desire to politicize Islam though. The people who fall for it are ignorant. Infact, Islam does not and cannot hate any country or race being a universally prosyletizing faith/religion. You can say some Muslims hate you, but non Muslims can hate you too. We have already been through this.

 

[VCheng]

Infact, Islam does not and cannot hate any country or race being a universally prosyletizing faith/religion.

Any religion is only what its followers actually do, and not just what they claim. Muslims have used their religion as a political tool for expansion, conquest and control, that much is very clear since its inception.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Any religion is only what its followers actually do, and not just what they claim. Muslims have used their religion as a political tool for expansion, conquest and control, that much is very clear since its inception.

Islam does not need your country, you, or anybody. It is the people who need Islam. The first Muslims in the historical sense were the Prophet, his wife and cousin who were not political figures. The religion was about God, truth and justice and it spread rapidly. People wanted them as leaders.

 

[VCheng]

Islam does not need your country, you, or anybody. It is the people who need Islam. The first Muslims in the historical sense were the Prophet, his wife and cousin who were not political figures. The religion was about God, truth and justice and it spread rapidly. People wanted them as leaders.

And yet billions of people in the world today are doing just fine without Islam too.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

And yet billions of people in the world today are doing just fine without Islam too.

Those who are doing fine among them people search for the purpose of life and many arrive at Islam. Have you read the Quran? It does not claim every person in the world will become Muslim. There were people who called themselves Muslim in Medina for political reasons whom Quran rejected and condemned as hypocrites. They were actually Islamophobes. God does not need you or your country. God is too powerful for that. God does not need any believer.

 

[VCheng]

Those who are doing fine among them people search for the purpose of life and many arrive at Islam. Have you read the Quran? It does not claim every person in the world will become Muslim. There were people who called themselves Muslim in Medina for political reasons whom Quran rejected and condemned as hypocrites. They were actually Islamophobes. God does not need you or your country. God is too powerful for that. God does not need any believer.

Of course. Every person has the right to determine their own personal religious beliefs for themselves, whatever they may wish them to be, freely.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Of course. Every person has the right to determine their own personal religious beliefs for themselves, whatever they may wish them to be, freely.

It is a universal truth which Quran states, one of many God given rights. Mankind does not give rights because those rights can be potentially withdrawn by the powers that be.

 

[VCheng]

It is a universal truth which Quran states, one of many God given rights. Mankind does not give rights because those rights can be potentially withdrawn by the powers that be.

Of course you are free to believe whatever you wish, as stated above, just as others may wish to exercise their right to believe whatever they wish to believe.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Of course you are free to believe whatever you wish, as stated above, just as others may wish to exercise their right to believe whatever they wish to believe.

What if they believe in genocide?

 

[VCheng]

What if they believe in genocide?

Just as you wish to decide your personal beliefs for yourself, others are free to decide their personal beliefs for themselves. Judging the personal beliefs of others according to your own personal beliefs is impossible. And personal beliefs do not apply in situation of wars between countries but principles of international geopolitics apply.

 

[Cash GK]

Let me take this point by point:



And yet that is all history for the simple reason that all that greatness that once existed was all lost and is long gone. It is a different world.



Afghanistan is a destroyed society living in piles of rubble, with only drug dealing and smuggling enabling it to survive. And Vietnam's biggest trading partner is the same USA. Neither is a very good example of what you are trying to say.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1828401794424205538

 

[VCheng]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1828401794424205538

Smuggling by a few warlords and their militia is not an economy.

 

[Cash GK]

Smuggling by a few warlords and their militia is not an economy.

Say what ever you want