Turkish President Arrives in Pakistan

[PaklovesTurkiye]

why you see islam by the actions of mullahs? why dont you look at the sunnah of the Prophet? why dont you make and effort to be like him? why you are so much worried about the western propaganda against islam? don't you read Quran? it is said about munifiqeen "kia ham iss tarah iman lay ain jis tarah baywaqoof iman lay ain hain" . at another place it is said" ya log kabhi bhi tum say khush na hon gay jab tak tumhain apnay deen pay phair na lain".
as far as mullah is concerned it was foretold to us that a time will come when the worst people under the sky will be the scholars of islam. fitnah in main say he niklay ga or in main he ghuss jay ga"
dont what does it mean? first it diesnt mean all scholars. second it means all of us have to make effort for understanding the true islam rather then blaming islam. we are trying to please the worldly gods by showing "soft image "of pak which was called as "kanjar khana" few decades back. the need of the hour is to make genuine effort in understanding islam, putting it in action, feeling pride in calling ourselves as muslims and fighting till last breath against any aggressor for the defence of islam.

Islam doesn't require any defense, Muslims do...Muslims need to live with unity rather than blowing each other due to differences i.e ME scenario......

I agree we are Muslims, we have certain culture and we need to bring and introduce real Islam to non Muslims which is about peace and harmony not of terrorism...But its look like its too much to ask Muslims as we are hell bent on killing each other (secular vs conservative, moderates vs islamists)....

We destroy ourselves for pathetic things and give other opportunity to exploit us....

 

[litman]

I agree...But I m not saying we should copy western culture...All I know is that we should work for our country and its prosperity...

Muslims , right now, need to set their house/countries in order, they should establish peace in their countries first rather than fighting over who has put his shalwar up from the ankle and who has not...Priorities...

you are right to some extent but i must advise you to do some research yourself regarding nationalism. just read Quran and Hadith. you will understand the true meaning of a sentence that we very commonly use" we will die for pakistan". it exactly means "we will die in ignorance". now i am sure majority of the liberal, secular educated(so called) members here will hate me for this but for me Quran and the hadiths are the guidelines how to live this life . so read only Quran and hadith about this single topic and your eyes will open. there is no importance of pak, turkey, iran , saudia. etc . the importance is of islam only.

Islam doesn't require any defense, Muslims do...Muslims need to live with unity rather than blowing each other due to differences i.e ME scenario......

I agree we are Muslims, we have certain culture and we need to bring and introduce real Islam to non Muslims which is about peace and harmony not of terrorism...But its look like its too much to ask Muslims as we are hell bent on killing each other (secular vs conservative, moderates vs islamists)....

We destroy ourselves for pathetic things and give other opportunity to exploit us....

you are absolutely right. but right now there are three big hurdles in the path of unity of muslims .i.e. nationalism, sectarianism, internal corruption. all these three can only be eliminated by true islam and faith in heart. . now i have understood the exact meaning of the phrase "islam is the final answer to all problems"

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

you are right to some extent but i must advise you to do some research yourself regarding nationalism. just read Quran and Hadith. you will understand the true meaning of a sentence that we very commonly use" we will die for pakistan". it exactly means "we will die in ignorance". now i am sure majority of the liberal, secular educated(so called) members here will hate me for this but for me Quran and the hadiths are the guidelines how to live this life . so read only Quran and hadith about this single topic and your eyes will open. there is no importance of pak, turkey, iran , saudia. etc . the importance is of islam only.

Really? Dying for Pakistan means dying in ignorance?

cehape'li yavsaklar vidi vidi etmeyi birakin s..tirin gidin bi.

Are you in Pakistan, right now?

 

[litman]

Really? Dying for Pakistan means dying in ignorance?

Prophet Mohammad (saw) said in the following Hadeeths:

"Leave it. It is Rotten " [Bukhari & Muslim] refers to all forms of Asabiyah, nationalism, racism, and patriotism.
“He is not one of us who calls for asabiyyah, (tribalism/nationalism) or who fights for asabiyyah, or who dies for asabiyyah.” [Abu Dawud]
this is just one hadith. do your own research with a copy of Quran with you.
Quran says" surah al bakarah ayat 165" baaz log aisay be hain jo Allah kay shareek auron ko tahra kar unn say aisi he muhabbat rakhtay hain jasi muhabbat Allah say honi chahiya. aor iman walay Allah ki muhabbat main boht sakht hotay hain.
now this ayat clearly says that nothing should be loved the way Allah is loved. the life and death for a muslim should be for Allah alone. now it is very important here to mention that as long as a country e.g. pak follows the islamic teachings and people here make effort for true islam then its ok to make effort for the prosperity, defense of a country but still it should never be said that i will die for so and so country. according to another hadith it was asked by someone what is the meaning of "Allah ki rah main larna" it was said that to make an effort for the defense of muslims and spred His message. so you can fight for say pak as long as two conditions are met:
1. pak stays an islamic state not by words but actions
2. one should have clear mind that whatever effort i am making it is for Allah alone. it should not be in the name of a country, jamaat, person etc.
at another place it is very clearly said in Quran "or Allah ki rassi ko mazboti say pakray rakho or taffarukay main mat paro"
the muslims have two types of differences today.1. sectarianism.2 nationalism. why we are not making any effort for defending muslims of syria or libya or iraq? because they are not from pak???? you put up such an excuse in the next world then better be ready for consequences.
now there comes a very important question. what should we do as a muslim??a single muslim or a small group pf muslim cant get rid of interest based economic system world wide or nationalism .now its difficult to answer. we need to understand true islam and have strong faith. we need to dislike these things inside our hearts to qualify for the lowest stage of iman at least. convince others in our own circles. make efforts to reduce internal corruption . make effort to become muslims rather then sunnis, shias, wahabbis etc.be defensive at the moment when muslims are in state of total disunity and wait for the right leader who unites us all and he is mentioned in hadiths as imam mehdi. only he can unite muslims.
this is my opinion and i may be wrong and i pray Allah if i have made a mistake unintentionally .thanx

@PaklovesTurkiye
plz read what our greatest thinker said about "watan"
https://pakpatriot.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/allama-iqbal-on-nationalism-علامہ-اقبال-وطنیت/

 

[-SINAN-]

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[ameerhamza6733]

Welcome ceremony with guard of honour accorded to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan at PM House Islamabad.

Welcome ceremony with guard of honour accorded to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan at PM House Islamabad.

 

[YeBeWarned]

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he is in Lahore now for a Dinner given by CM Punjab, later he will be on a Opening Ceremony of a newly build Iqbal Park

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

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Erdogan has arrived at Lahore .

 

[ameerhamza6733]

Welcome ceremony with guard of honour accorded to Recep Tayyip Erdogan at PM House Islamabad.

Welcome ceremony with guard of honour accorded to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan at PM House Islamabad.

 

[Finer]

M.Ali Jinnah wanted a secular republic without naming the religion.
The name ''Islamic'' came in 1955 i believe,long after Jinnah.

That is not unclear. Some says Jinnah wanted secular republic and some says Jinnah wanted truly modern Islamic style empire [modern - not backward]. It is confusion.

That being said, Pakistan came into the existence because Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) commanded Jinnah to go back to India for Muslims in India. After that, Jinnah was changed man. Hard to say he was secular or changed man [more in spirituality]. In fact, the debate on this topic is still on-going.

 

[Zain Malik]

Decorations made for president Visit To Pakistan..

@HAKIKAT @T-123456 @Sinan

 

[usernameless]

My personal opinion is that its bs,Erdogan goes after the little man who probably doesnt even know what its all about.
Remember what his goons did to the soldiers who just followed orders of their superiors.

Of course there is a bond between teachers and students,it determines the future of the student,building character,finding out the interests and capabilities of the student etc.
They could have waited for the end of the semester,just another dumb action by Erdogan and your PM who has no backbone.

Well there is the fear of these students becoming Gulen followers,gaining high positions in your country eventually to lead it the way they want it, according to Erdogan.
He will probably replace them with people close to him.

If such low rank Gulenists are still member and haven't left by now after everything that has happened, then they are just as accountable as accomplices, and even worse if they are found guilty. That counts for every crime and criminal organization. Anyway, more importantly, high ranking Gulenists, like the 'imam of Pakistan', should be found and extradited, if they haven't fled Pakistan yet that is.

 

[Zarvan]

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Turkish #COGS General Hulusi Akar called on #CJCSC Gen Rashad Mehmood in Rawalpindi, Gen Raheel Sharif , Naval & Air Chief were also present

 

[Silahtar]

 

[MadDog]

There is only Turkish Genocide that commited by Racist Armenians in 1915, killed 500.000 civilian Turks in Erzurum-Ağrı region to Armenianize region (Just like they did in Azerbaijan with Khojali Genocide) for their racist dream. You cannot show real victims as "killers", behave yourself and become a Human.

Brother I exposed one profile using Pakistani flags bashing Pak Army, Turkey and China, with the name of "Leviant" yesterday, its probably the same Indian dude, using false flags.
No Pakistani can say that, since Pakistan has no diplomatic relations with Armenia and Pakistan fully supported Azerbaijan in their dispute with Armenia during PM's trip to Baku 2 months ago.

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Watched it live on TV, Erdogan left Lahore a few moments ago. Lahore , my city, looks beautiful today, its decorated to the fullest. A MOU has been signed today, for Pak-Turk cooperation in Health care sector of Lahore. Turkey has contributed immensely to Lahore's development.