Turkish Naval Programs

[-SINAN-]

Not even close, in fact,the statement becomes so ridiculous when they're actually buying German submarines.

Well he actually never said "We are at a level where we can match Germany with submarine" (poor google translate)

What he says is; "Engineering infrastructure of the Naval Forces Command has reached a level comparable to those of German engineers (in term of designing submarines.)"

From this statement i understand that now, we can design submarines (which is the pinnacle of naval platforms in terms of design.) However, i think that it is a very bold claim to say that we reached the level of Germany.

 

[Yellow-place]

Not even close, in fact,the statement becomes so ridiculous when they're actually buying German submarines.

The submarines that are prodeced by Germany for Turkey has more than 80 percent Turkish indiginious part.

 

[cabatli_53]

Milden

 

[-SINAN-]

The submarines that are prodeced by Germany for Turkey has more than 80 percent Turkish indiginious part.

I always wondered how do they scale the percentage.

Is it;
%80 of the total parts ?
%80 of the total weight ?
%80 of the total cost ?

 

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Milden
View attachment 404071

Extended aft section looks like it may contain VLS cells ?

 

[AnatolianEagle]

Idealab has been invited

In the National Submarine Workshop, the need for Idealab's "Aerial Independent Drive System" was better understood. The workshop continues today.

 

[Yellow-place]

I always wondered how do they scale the percentage.

Is it;
%80 of the total parts ?
%80 of the total weight ?
%80 of the total cost ?

@cabatli_53

U-214TN will be heavier and longer than U-214 submarines Germany constructed for Greece.


Aselsan
-The devices and electronical equipments
-Radar electronic systems will be Aselsani ones (Ares-2NS)
-Submarine information delivery system will be developed by Aselsan
-X band satellites communication systems and all another communication units will be developed by Aselsan...

--Netas
-Warfare keying systems will be developed by Netas


--Havelsan
-Silulators, educations, Tests, Assessments of performance, Management information of command-control systems of U-214TN's will belong to Havelsan until all active lifes of submarines...
-Land based test center-institue construction to test new variants of command-comtrol system to integrate future Turkish weapons will be applied by Havelsan
-Algoritma developments, threat banks and all another things about software are belong to Havelsan...
-New sensor-systems integration missions, underwater tactic simulator development will belong to Havelsan

--STM
-Design of U-214 TN
-Engineering and system integrations
-18000 different system integration
-Composite materials production
-Submarine blocks production
-Shipyard and battery institues and developments
-Logistic support


--Tubitak Mam
-Underwater telephones
-Battery watch systems and centeral air consantration watch systems


--Ayesas
-Multi function consols design, development, electronic cards, cabinets, electromagnetic assembly, weapon consols, weapon control units development and tests...
-The consols developed for U-214TN will be exported to 3th countries....


--Milsoft
-6 item multi link system
-1 item multi link land based test institue-integration
-Link-11 and Link-22 data transportations


--Koc Bilgi
-Indigenous diver detection system
-Torpedo jamming anddefence systems
-Fat/Hat/Sat phrases
-Indigenous detection, classification and Localisation systems
-Static and Movement effectors




Roketsan-Tubitak-Aselsan
-Heavy Weight Torpedos called AKYA

Roketsan/STM- Integration of IDAS (German project but Roketsan is a riskshare design/development partner) Precision atack missiles on submarines to be launched by torpedo tubes...



Turkish Defense Minister Vecdi Gonul as saying that Turkish industrial participation in the project would be worth around 80 percent of the total value of the deal.

The HDW will preassemble structural and mechanical parts of the submarines, or classified elements such as the fuel cells and propulsion systems, in Germany and then ship them to Turkey, according to the report.

All electronic and weapon systems, including sensor, communications, and data processing systems, will be designed and produced by the Turkish side.

 

[Nutuk]

The Milden picture and maquette introduced by SSM is merely an artist impression yet as conceptual design features are still discussed. After the preliminary design phase the real look of the Milden sub will become visible and detail design phase will follow.

 

[era_shield]

The Milden picture and maquette introduced by SSM is merely an artist impression yet as conceptual design features are still discussed. After the preliminary design phase the real look of the Milden sub will become visible and detail design phase will follow.

Even so, looks like an improvement from previous conceptual images. It has an X-rudder for example.

 

[cabatli_53]

MİLLİ DENİZALTIMIZDA;

-ENTEGRE SONAR ATIŞ KONTROL SİSTEMİ,
-YÜKSEK ÇÖZÜNÜRLÜKLÜ OPTRONİK SİSTEMLER,
-SON TEKNOLOJİ İMKÂN/ KABİLİYETLERE SAHİP PERİSKOP,
-DÜŞÜK TESPİT İHTİMALLİ RADAR (LPI/ Bİ-STATİK),
-LPI RADARLARI DA TESPİT EDEBİLEN ED SİSTEMLERİ,
-MUHABERE-ED YETENEĞİ (COMINT-SIGINT),
-HASSAS ATALET SEYİR SİSTEMİ,
-İNSANLI VEYA İNSANSIZ SUALTI/ HAVA ARACI BIRAKMA/ ALMA İMKÂNI,
-DENİZALTI-SAT MÜŞTEREK HAREKÂTINA YÖNELİK SİSTEMLER,
-YÜKSEK BANT GENİŞLİĞİNE SAHİP EHF/ SHF BANT UYDU MUHABERE SİSTEMİ,
-SUALTINDA OTOMATİK TANIMA VE TANITMA (SUALTI IFF),
-YÜZER ANTEN SİSTEMLERİ,
-MUHABERE ŞAMANDIRALARI,
-GELİŞMİŞ LİNK SİSTEMLERİ,
-YÜKSEK GÜÇ VE KAPASİTELİ BATARYA,
-HAVADAN BAĞIMSIZ KABİLİYETLİ VERİMLİ GÜÇ NAKİL SİSTEMİ,
-KARAYA ETKİ EDEBİLEN UZUN MENZİLLİ MİLLİ G/M,
-MİLLİ TORPİDO,
-MİLLİ DENİZALTI MAYINI,
-TORPİDO VE MAYIN KARŞI TEDBİR SİSTEMLERİ

TN describes capabilities of Milden submarine as following;

- Integrated Sonar Fire Control System
- High Definition E/O Systems
- Latest Tech Periscope Tech
- LPI Radar
- Electronic Support system (COMINT/SIGINT)
- Inertial Navigation System
- Manned/Unmanned Underwater Vehicle Separation/Reception system
- Underwater SAT joint operation systems
- EHF/SHF band SATCOM
- Underwater IFF
- Floatable Antenna units
- Communication buoys
- Advanced Link Systems
- High power/capacity Battery systems
- AIP capacity power transfer systems
- Torpedo and Mine Counter Measure Systems
- Domestic submarine Mines
- Domestic Torpedos - Akya
- Domestic vertical launchable Land Attack Cruise Missile - Gezgin

 

[Hexciter]

TN describes capabilities of Milden submarine as following;

- Integrated Sonar Fire Control System
- High Definition E/O Systems
- Latest Tech Periscope Tech
- LPI Radar
- Electronic Support system (COMINT/SIGINT)
- Inertial Navigation System
- Manned/Unmanned Underwater Vehicle Separation/Reception system
- Underwater SAT joint operation systems
- EHF/SHF band SATCOM
- Underwater IFF
- Floatable Antenna units
- Communication buoys
- Advanced Link Systems
- High power/capacity Battery systems
- AIP capacity power transfer systems
- Torpedo and Mine Counter Measure Systems
- Domestic submarine Mines
- Domestic Torpedos - Akya
- Domestic vertical launchable Land Attack Cruise Missile - Gezgin

Missed:

-Domestic Torpedo/Mine Countermeasure Systems

 

[Hexciter]

I started to smell "Hurshid" around and don't know why!

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

Extended aft section looks like it may contain VLS cells ?

TN describes capabilities of Milden submarine as following;

- Integrated Sonar Fire Control System
- High Definition E/O Systems
- Latest Tech Periscope Tech
- LPI Radar
- Electronic Support system (COMINT/SIGINT)
- Inertial Navigation System
- Manned/Unmanned Underwater Vehicle Separation/Reception system
- Underwater SAT joint operation systems
- EHF/SHF band SATCOM
- Underwater IFF
- Floatable Antenna units
- Communication buoys
- Advanced Link Systems
- High power/capacity Battery systems
- AIP capacity power transfer systems
- Torpedo and Mine Counter Measure Systems
- Domestic submarine Mines
- Domestic Torpedos - Akya
- Domestic vertical launchable Land Attack Cruise Missile - Gezgin

I think the conceptual design outside, on the main lines - TN describes capabilities -, is almost finished (90%). There are physical and aerodynamic rules unavoidable.







Compared to other comparable submarine programs with similar operational capabilities:


KSS-III (Jangbogo III) Batch 2 - South Korea -


South Korea's DAPA Selects DSME for KSS-III Batch II Heavy Submarine Design & Construction (Navy Recognition - Wednesday, 25 May 2016 19:36)


Expected changes of Batch-II compared to Batch-I:

- Lengthened hull (bringing displacement approx. from 3000t to 4000t)

- Increase of VLS cells (K-VLS) from 6 to 10 (Cruise missile Hyunmoo-3C)

- Indigenous combat system and sensors

- LiB and, potentially, High-Temperature Superconductor (HTS) motor for integrated full electric propulsion system












TKMS Type 216 Conventional AIP Submarine (SSK) - German - (Competitor of the Royal Australian Navy's Collins-class submarine replacement project)


Displacement:

- approx. 4000t


Weapons:

- 6x 533 mm torpedo tubes (to deploy torpedoes, anti-ship missiles or mines)

- Flexible storage area for 18 reserve weapons

- Weapon module for vertical multi-purpose lock (2.5 m diameter to deploy cruise missiles or UUV)

- Swimmer Delivery Vehicle (SDV) to deploy special forces














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@cabatli_53


It's true ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/875614802013413376

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[AUz]

TN describes capabilities of Milden submarine as following;

- Integrated Sonar Fire Control System
- High Definition E/O Systems
- Latest Tech Periscope Tech
- LPI Radar
- Electronic Support system (COMINT/SIGINT)
- Inertial Navigation System
- Manned/Unmanned Underwater Vehicle Separation/Reception system
- Underwater SAT joint operation systems
- EHF/SHF band SATCOM
- Underwater IFF
- Floatable Antenna units
- Communication buoys
- Advanced Link Systems
- High power/capacity Battery systems
- AIP capacity power transfer systems
- Torpedo and Mine Counter Measure Systems
- Domestic submarine Mines
- Domestic Torpedos - Akya
- Domestic vertical launchable Land Attack Cruise Missile - Gezgin

Is Turkish submarine and cruise missile (Gezgin) under development? What is the time table for its development?

No tests, no substantial statements about these projects

What is the time table for Turkish frigates, destroyers, naval cruise missiles and submarines? We know that Turkish LPD is under development and is due for trial run by 2021. But for other products, its more of air talk as of this point (especially submarines, naval cruise missile and destroyers)

 

[Hexciter]

Is Turkish submarine and cruise missile (Gezgin) under development? What is the time table for its development?

No tests, no substantial statements about these projects

What is the time table for Turkish frigates, destroyers, naval cruise missiles and submarines? We know that Turkish LPD is under development and is due for trial run by 2021. But for other products, its more of air talk as of this point (especially submarines, naval cruise missile and destroyers)

Naval projects are under high risk of Greek espionage. So not expect many information but very little.