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Turkish marriage law finally recognises Muslim weddings, infuriating Islamophobes

Is NOT secularism an oppressive anti-islamic cult ideology ?


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Idiotic extremists will always see what they want to see. This is actually a slap to mullahs who did not want Islamic marriages becoming recognised contracts.

In Turkey, like in most countries, they were refusing to recognize purely islamic weddings unless people registered the marriage. What Erdogan has done is bought those islamic marriages under the same rules - it's slapped the mullahs into the category they were previously avoiding.
 
A quick Google search shows that in 1960 Turkey’ GDP was 14 billion dollars and around 520 dollars per capita which was again 6 smaller than the per capita GDP of the US, 4.5 times smaller of that of Canada etc. but still around or above the world average of 460$ per capita in that year. At the same time the economic giant Pakistan was producing 3 billion dollars of GDP with 82$ Per capita... Now you show me how much ahead were you than Turkey in the 1950s.

The backward shithole Turkey reached your current GDP per capita of around 1500$ in 1977- 40 years before you and your progressive Islamic rule. Of course that like any other country Turkey had it’s periods of economic boom and of economic crisis too and will have them again.

ps All Pakistani, Bengali or whatever other blind Islamists who always bark about secularism and how destructive it is are free to pack their bags and leave Britain or whatever other Western country they currently are living into and move back to their countries. Instead of living in the evil West among the secular backward white devils you can move back to the lands of your ancestors and live happily.
You can't compare Pakistan and Turkey, we are very different in terms of history and 'economy'.

The modern-day region of Turkey was always richer (post-Industrial age) than the modern-day region of Pakistan as it was the first Muslim region to hit the Industrial age. Turkey also had a much more advantageous and strategic geographic position.

As soon as Pakistan was born, it was faced with a war in Kashmir and the largest mass migration in the history of the world. It also had to 'unite' the inherited fractured state of hundreds of different ethnic groups, speaking hundreds of different languages (only 2% of the population spoke the national language), following hundreds of different cultures with many different ideologies and future outlooks.

It did not stop there, Pakistan had to deal with constant revolts throughout the country and the eventual split of East Pakistan in which we lost almost half of our economy and population.

1980's was marked by the Afghan-Soviet war in which millions of Afghans flooded Pakistan creating one of the worst refugee crisis in modern history (even today Pakistan hosts more than a quarter of the world's refugee population). This refugee crisis badly hurt our economy and sky rocketed crime, drugs, communal violence, illegal weapons and etc...

Even then, we did not get a break. Pakistan became the frontline in the war on terror leading to economic decay in all aspects and for a period, throwing our country into into near chaos. Pakistan lost about $100 billion dollars in indirect and direct losses to this war.

After all of this, we've finally seen signs of recovery in all fronts as our economy grows and our situation stabilizes under the sheer determination of the Pakistani people and the iron fists of the Pakistani military.

We basically went through hell and back, most countries would've collapsed and fractured away if they had to deal with what we had to go through. Today, times have changed and I see a very bright future for my country.
 
You can't compare Pakistan and Turkey, we are very different in terms of history and 'economy'.

The modern-day region of Turkey was always richer (post-Industrial age) than the modern-day region of Pakistan as it was the first Muslim region to hit the Industrial age. Turkey also had a much more advantageous and strategic geographic position.

As soon as Pakistan was born, it was faced with a war in Kashmir and the largest mass migration in the history of the world. It also had to 'unite' the inherited fractured state of hundreds of different ethnic groups, speaking hundreds of different languages (only 2% of the population spoke the national language), following hundreds of different cultures with many different ideologies and future outlooks.

It did not stop there, Pakistan had to deal with constant revolts throughout the country and the eventual split of East Pakistan in which we lost almost half of our economy and population.

1980's was marked by the Afghan-Soviet war in which millions of Afghans flooded Pakistan creating one of the worst refugee crisis in modern history (even today Pakistan hosts more than a quarter of the world's refugee population). This refugee crisis badly hurt our economy and sky rocketed crime, drugs, communal violence, illegal weapons and etc...

Even then, we did not get a break. Pakistan became the frontline in the war on terror leading to economic decay in all aspects and for a period, throwing our country into into near chaos. Pakistan lost about $100 billion dollars in indirect and direct losses to this war.

After all of this, we've finally seen signs of recovery in all fronts as our economy grows and our situation stabilizes under the sheer determination of the Pakistani people and the iron fists of the Pakistani military.

We basically went through hell and back, most countries would've collapsed and fractured away if they had to deal with what we had to go through. Today, times have changed and I see a very bright future for my country.

Taaliaaan
 
By recognizing Muslim marriages?

Oh wow.


I disagree with the person who called Turkey a "backward shithole back then", but you're also wrong on many points.

Compared to 1970's Turkey with current Pakistani economy, Pakistan's GDP per Capita would be 4x larger than Turkey's and Pakistan's nominal GDP would be 17x larger. Today, Pakistan's nominal PPP is 1/2 that of Turkey's and is expected to reach parity really soon.

Also, Bangladesh is a secular state like Turkey. In 1975, they had a 2x larger economy than Pakistan, but now Pakistan's nominal GDP is almost a whopping $80 billion more.


You are mixing GDP nominal with GDP measured by purchasing power parity and also forget that Turkey’s population in 2017 is 2.5 times smaller than that of Pakistan. Facts are that Turkey’s nominal GDP per capita in the end of the 70s was equal to that of Pakistan right now- around 1400-1500$.

ps Pakistan might have an economy bigger than that of Bangladesh by 80$ billion but it also has 50 million people more to feed.
 
You just can't accept that the economic resurgence of Turkey was at the hands of an Islamic party.
Turkey had far higher avarage growth in previous decades..
The recent economic performance is even shrinking AKP's avarage growth since this chart only goes till 2014.

Another myth debunked.

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You are mixing GDP nominal with GDP measured by purchasing power parity and also forget that Turkey’s population in 2017 is 2.5 times smaller than that of Pakistan. Facts are that Turkey’s nominal GDP per capita in the end of the 70s was equal to that of Pakistan right now- around 1400-1500$.

ps Pakistan might have an economy bigger than that of Bangladesh by 80$ billion but it also has 50 million people more to feed.
Turkey's GDP capita was $489 in 1970 compared to around $1468 of Pakistan today. Pakistan's growth rate is double that of Turkey's, the gap is rapidly decreasing; Pakistan's GDP per Capita was about 1/10th the size of Turkey's in 2013, today it is 1/6th and will most likely reach 1/4 by 2022.

Why are you even aggressively comparing yourselves to us? We definitely agree that Turkey is a richer and more 'advanced' state even though you have way over-exaggerated the gap. Here in Pakistan, Turkey is seen as an ally not linked by the perception of Turkey as a strategic asset (as in the case of almost all alliances) but through a genuine "brotherly connection".

We are friends, you should be venting your hostility at someone else.
 
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Turkey's GDP capita was $489 in 1970 compared to around $1468 of Pakistan today. Pakistan's growth rate is double that of Turkey's, the gap is rapidly decreasing; in 2013 - Pakistan's GDP per Capita was about 1/10th the size of Turkey's, today it is 1/6th and will most likely reach 1/4 by 2022.

Why are you even aggressively comparing yourselves to us? We definitely agree that Turkey is a richer and more 'advanced' state even though you have way over-exaggerated the gap. Here in Pakistan, Turkey is seen as an ally not linked by the perception Turkey as a strategic asset but through a genuine "brotherly connection".

We are friends, you should be venting your hostility at someone else.
Problem is people calling pre AKP Turkey a ''shithole'' which is definately not the truth.
 
Turkey's GDP capita was $489 in 1970 compared to around $1468 of Pakistan today. Pakistan's growth rate is double that of Turkey's, the gap is rapidly decreasing; in 2013 - Pakistan's GDP per Capita was about 1/10th the size of Turkey's, today it is 1/6th and will most likely reach 1/4 by 2022.

Why are you even aggressively comparing yourselves to us? We definitely agree that Turkey is a richer and more 'advanced' state even though you have way over-exaggerated the gap. Here in Pakistan, Turkey is seen as an ally not linked by the perception of Turkey as a strategic asset (as in the case of almost all alliances) but through a genuine "brotherly connection".

We are friends, you should be venting your hostility at someone else.
Interesting that Turkey is compared to Pakistan.

Personally with a 220 million population we should have a larger economy than Turkey soon.
 
Problem is people calling pre AKP Turkey a ''shithole'' which is definately not the truth.
Only one person has said that and some Turkish members here are treating it as if it was coming out of the mouth of the Pakistani Prime Minister or the 200 million people of Pakistan.
 
Only one person has said that and some Turkish members here are treating it as if it was coming out of the mouth of the Pakistani Prime Minister or the 200 million people of Pakistan.
Well it was also one Turk responding to him too so...
 
I have heard that Turkey is more prosperous under Erdogan and the AKP party.
 
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You can't compare Pakistan and Turkey, we are very different in terms of history and 'economy'.

The modern-day region of Turkey was always richer (post-Industrial age) than the modern-day region of Pakistan as it was the first Muslim region to hit the Industrial age. Turkey also had a much more advantageous and strategic geographic position.

As soon as Pakistan was born, it was faced with a war in Kashmir and the largest mass migration in the history of the world. It also had to 'unite' the inherited fractured state of hundreds of different ethnic groups, speaking hundreds of different languages (only 2% of the population spoke the national language), following hundreds of different cultures with many different ideologies and future outlooks.

It did not stop there, Pakistan had to deal with constant revolts throughout the country and the eventual split of East Pakistan in which we lost almost half of our economy and population.

1980's was marked by the Afghan-Soviet war in which millions of Afghans flooded Pakistan creating one of the worst refugee crisis in modern history (even today Pakistan hosts more than a quarter of the world's refugee population). This refugee crisis badly hurt our economy and sky rocketed crime, drugs, communal violence, illegal weapons and etc...

Even then, we did not get a break. Pakistan became the frontline in the war on terror leading to economic decay in all aspects and for a period, throwing our country into into near chaos. Pakistan lost about $100 billion dollars in indirect and direct losses to this war.

After all of this, we've finally seen signs of recovery in all fronts as our economy grows and our situation stabilizes under the sheer determination of the Pakistani people and the iron fists of the Pakistani military.

We basically went through hell and back, most countries would've collapsed and fractured away if they had to deal with what we had to go through. Today, times have changed and I see a very bright future for my country.

That’s all good but why do you think things were much easier for Turkey? Like Turkey was not completely destroyed by WWI where it lost millions of lives and territories and that is only the tip of the iceberg of the whole story.

Like Turkey was not on the front line of the Cold War, like it didn’t host millions of refugees during many waves after WWI, WWII or during the times when hundreds of thousands (probably around a million in total) of Turks and Balkan Muslims were expelled from Yugoslavia and Bulgaria during the Cold war. Like Turkey didn’t host millions Kurdish and Arab refugees of the wars in Iraq and is not doing it now for 3.5 million of those from Syria. Like Turkey was isolated from all the turmoil in the whole region of the last decades.

Like Turkey didn’t have coups and political struggles and wars on terrorism that costed us tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars. Like Turkey was not ever involved in a war directly or indirectly no matter if it’s in Cyprus, Korea, Karabakh, Iraq, Syria or the Balkans.

Turkey's GDP capita was $489 in 1970 compared to around $1468 of Pakistan today. Pakistan's growth rate is double that of Turkey's, the gap is rapidly decreasing; Pakistan's GDP per Capita was about 1/10th the size of Turkey's in 2013, today it is 1/6th and will most likely reach 1/4 by 2022.

Why are you even aggressively comparing yourselves to us? We definitely agree that Turkey is a richer and more 'advanced' state even though you have way over-exaggerated the gap. Here in Pakistan, Turkey is seen as an ally not linked by the perception of Turkey as a strategic asset (as in the case of almost all alliances) but through a genuine "brotherly connection".

We are friends, you should be venting your hostility at someone else.

Are you able to read and comprehend what is written? I compared Pakistan’s numbers of today to Turkey’s data of 1977 and “the end of the 70s” not to the numbers of 1970 you show me.
Here is another question to you:
You say Turkey’s GDP per capita was 490$ in 1970 but it grew to around 1500$ by the end of the decade. Such an economic miracle! Was Erdogan’s father the Prime minister back then cuz it’s not possible for a non Islamic rulers to double and tripple an economy in a decade or less according to some Madrasah economists in here.
 
The USA and the EU countries have lower "GDP growth rate" so they are shithole?
Anyway Turkey has been always noticed as a fastly growing country in the institutions like OECD,IMF and the WB.

What a redundant topic!!
As an atheist, i want atheists people to register my marriage.
I also want atheist civil servants.
Its discrimination and favouritsm.
 

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