Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border

[AUz]

suicide? sould like a god from your mentality. let me tell you, china and russia could easily handle those nato clowns, if you don't believe, you can try.

Stop being a stupid *** and stop giving china a bad name. Senior Chinese members who have been visiting this forums are smart and insightful...but few new young one's are acting like indians and making a joke outa themselves.

NATO means West under the leadership of United States.

No military alliance, as of today, can face United States.

EVEN IF Russia, Europe, and China join hands----United States will still decimate them in conventional war.

Russians aren't stupid to attack mainland Turkey. Period.

Lets move on...

 

[pher]

Dont be arrogant. Russia only need half day to wipe out all turkish airbases and air defence systems. Thats fact.
Know where your place is.
Dont act like a male teenager with too much testosteron. This is the real world in bigger dimension not in your street.

I don't think that is arrogant, which at least had some stuff to back up. I would call it ignorant. those turks shout like north korean here. at least north korea has china back up so US couldn't do nothing. who will stand up for turks? those nato ally christian whites? don't make me laugh.

 

[asena_great]

@FrenchPilot Russia bombing FSA so they could show isis is the only opposition to assad and force the world to close their eyes on the genocide he committed so they could keep their bloody handed murderer on power

 

[pher]

Stop being a stupid *** and stop giving china a bad name. Senior Chinese members who have been visiting this forums are smart and insightful...but few new young one's are acting like indians and making a joke outa themselves.

NATO means West under the leadership of United States.

No military alliance, as of today, can face United States.

EVEN IF Russia, Europe, and China join hands----United States will still decimate them in conventional war.

Russians aren't stupid to attack mainland Turkey. Period.

Lets move on...

save your US worship mentality to somewhere else, we don't buy it. simple is that.
we already know what US capable of in korea war. we and russia also drew a red line for US on north korea and iran, US buy it, simple is that.

 

[NUCLEAR_WINTER]

Putin tried to Play bully in Ukraine and Syria. And got smacked by Turkey and NATO grinning behind the curtains.
The irrelevant postings of chinese and Indian fanboys will not Change the fact that russia already abondoned the western/russian partnership to be the new bogeyman in eurasia.
Putin is a political pawn. he has absolutely Zero powerprojection capability. It is just funny. Maybe his chinese "allies" should help him out now. Otherwise Putin is becoming more pathetic every day from now on.
Maybe it would be wise for China to abondone russia completly and focuse on western/China partnership.
bye bye russia..

 

[Sanchez]

I read that Russians rescued one of the pilots to safety and heavily bombed the Turkmen rebels, can anyone confirm this?

 

[tugberksamur]

Shooting down a plane/using lethal forceu is the very LAST option and should only be used when there is a clear and present danger posed by the opposing aircraft to your national security.

You don't shoot down every aircraft that happens to stumble into your airspace and that too for a mere 17 seconds. The flight path it took (as shown by the Turkish military themselves) makes it clear that the Russian plane at no time was heading for the interior of Turkey and thus presented an almost negligable threat. Shooting from 60km away with zero warning (no, 5 minuets of radio warnings are not sufficent nor are they the only warnings prescribed by NATO) at a plane entering your airspace for seconds is entirely improper and, frankly, stupid.

Until now no Russian plane has bombed Turkish territory, there is simply no precedent of Russian aircraft posing a threat to Turkey as such the penalty for entering Turkish airspace in such a irrelevant manner should not be execution.

If Turkey wants to be treated like a mature country it should act like one and the fact that they have the ability to call on NATO for help means it is my problem or any citizen of a NATO country. You can act like clowns but don't do so when hiding behind the NATO sheild.

You dont want to understand. According to ROE we would shoot.We warned them 10 times in 5 mins.They did not listen. Stop blaming Turkey and ask although turkish warnings why russians entered borders?

 

[Sanchez]

Putin tried to Play bully in Ukraine and Syria. And got smacked by Turkey and NATO grinning behind the curtains.
The irrelevant postings of chinese and Indian fanboys will not Change the fact that russia already abondoned the western/russian partnership to be the new bogeyman in eurasia.
Putin is a political pawn. he has absolutely Zero powerprojection capability. It is just funny. Maybe his chinese "allies" should help him out now. Otherwise Putin is becoming more pathetic every day from now on.
Maybe it would be wise for China to abondone russia completly and focuse on western/China partnership.
bye bye russia..

Jewish? You think any of posters here would care about what you say? Your israel is one of the backhands of isis.

 

[pher]

Putin tried to Play bully in Ukraine and Syria. And got smacked by Turkey and NATO grinning behind the curtains.
The irrelevant postings of chinese and Indian fanboys will not Change the fact that russia already abondoned the western/russian partnership to be the new bogeyman in eurasia.
Putin is a political pawn. he has absolutely Zero powerprojection capability. It is just funny. Maybe his chinese "allies" should help him out now. Otherwise Putin is becoming more pathetic every day from now on.
Maybe it would be wise for China to abondone russia completly and focuse on western/China partnership.
bye bye russia..

actully we did. we just handed over russia $15billions in the name of pre-payments oil import last week, and we will be happy to help more if neccesary.

 

[NUCLEAR_WINTER]

 

[-SINAN-]

That's what we are already doing,but we have to work with the Russians,and everyone who is serious about wiping them out should join them.

No, you don't have to work with Russia. You need to work with US. Do US working with Russia ? No ?

C'mon,FSA or whatever is dead since long time ago,our leaders sadly want to show us there are still "moderate" fighters,but it's all BS.

There is FSA , SAA, Hezbollah, Russia, YPG and ISIS. You are fed by your media, not doing your own research. There is the Syrian Civil War thread. There you can learn more about the issue.

And BTW,if we had ISIS guys on the other side of the border,we would have wiped them out instead of sending our tanks to the border,watching what they are doing and waiting something to happen.
If only Turkey was that strict toward ISIS guys than Russian aircrafts.

And if my aunt had an mustache, she would be my uncle. You guys are all talk and no action.

 

[cnleio]

Russia annouced to deploy S-400 in Syria ... frist step as same as i thought, keep going

 

[russiarussia]

Yeah, one of 2 Russian pilots shuts down by Turkey rescued, and back to airbase in Syria. And his health is out of danger.

I read that Russians rescued one of the pilots to safety and heavily bombed the Turkmen rebels, can anyone confirm this?

 

[Aslan]

Which is totally against established protocols- No visual identification was made and no visual warnings issued.

Russia and Turkey are not at war, what reason did the TuAF have to shoot down a Russian plane from 60km away for entering into their territory for 17 seconds? This is just getting more and more absurd. This is not how a mature nation or proffesional military behaves- 17 seconds???

The more one looks at it the more one comes to the conclusion this was about Turkey's dislike for the fact that Russia was cutting off their ISIS oil supply and targetting the "moderate" terrorists close to the Turkish border. Turkey's blatant duplicity in this entire ISIS campaign has not gone unnoticed by the rest of the world (especially NATO) so don't expect NATO to come to Turkey's defence- Turkey has left itself isolated in this matter and is entirely on the wrong side of history, ISIS supporters aren't going to be permitted by either Russia or NATO.


+ I have to say, on the global stage Turkey has set itself back decades by its actions. There was already growing discontent for the level of duplicty Turkey was exhibiting in the anti-ISIS efforts but to have escalated what should have been a non-incident to such a level has exhibited to the world that Turkey has completly gone off the deep end, it is no longer the sole beacon for hope in that region. Forget about EU membership and any other multi-lateral sweetners.


Numbers aren't everything. The most capable military in NATO after the US is France and by some margin.

Don't lecture others on protocol when ur own airforce shot down a navy transporter not even a bomber an un armed plane flying within pakistan. So yes protocols.

 

[pher]

Russia annouced to deploy S-400 in Syria ... frist step as same as i thought, keep going

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good, and it will crash any turks plane even 1 centmeter over syrian border.