Turkey Seeks U.S. Patriot Missiles to Deter Russia in Syria

[himate]

I think it is better to end the war in Syria. I dont think Bashar will kill all of Idlib population once it decided to surrender. He doesnt do it when Aleppo is surrender. Better for Sunni Muslim in Syria (80 % of population) to be patience and accept the reality, Allah is not sleeping. Similar situation is also happening when Hasan (prophet grandson) decided to let go the revolution in order to avoid civil war among Muslim.

But this is not civil war between muslim my brother. Assadists are not considered muslim in the first place. I'd agree with you if there where infighting between muslim but in this case its not. All the enermies of muslim and manafiqeen think its a bleak moment for turkey but i say just wait a moment. If Erdogan sticks his ground and acts boldly he can change things around. People forget that this is the same russia that still struggling to defeat the lightly armed rebels for the last five years and are no match when the Turkish army comes on the playing field. The only advantage russia has is their nukes and i already stressed it out many times before that turkey should immediately pursue nukes if its wants to be taken serious. If it has already pursued it then this is the time to spread the rumours which will strike terror into the heart of the enemies.

 

[Indos]

But this is not civil war between muslim my brother. Assadists are not considered muslim in the first place. I'd agree with you if there where infighting between muslim but in this case its not. All the enermies of muslim and manafiqeen think its a bleak moment for turkey but i say just wait a moment. If Erdogan sticks his ground and acts boldly he can change things around. People forget that this is the same russia that still struggling to defeat the lightly armed rebels for the last five years and are no match when the Turkish army comes on the playing field. The only advantage russia has is their nukes and i already stressed it out many times before that turkey should immediately pursue nukes if its wants to be taken serious. If it has already pursued it then this is the time to spread the rumours which will strike terror into the heart of the enemies.

Making a war in Syria is quite dangerous for Turkey. It is because there is already Russia in there who support the Assad regime. It will be a disaster for all Muslim if Turkey got a military conflict with Russia. We are concern because Turkey is among main backbone of Muslim power. We dont want Turkey to get dragged on the war that can cause economic difficulty.

As another Muslim, we hope Turkey can continue its economic development that is now in stalled condition. I think we have to be patience now and wait for all major Muslim powers to grow its muscle and get united before doing anything as danger as challenging Russia just like what Turkish doing now.

Any way, Assad is not going to kill every body in Idlib as he has proven in Aleppo after the city is surrendered. And I hope opposition fighters can get assylum in Turkey. So Syria can be in peaceful situation once more despite being ruled by an authoritarian regime. Similar thing was actually done when Hasan, prophet grandson, who gave up challenging Muawiyah in order to avoid bloodshed among Muslim at the cost of losing Islam ideal political system, that was practiced during the first four Caliphs, and being ruled by an authorian regime instead.

It is a reality that Assad regime has won the war and we have to accept the reality. Continuing the war will only hurt both Turkey economy and Syrian people lives. I dont have any problem if Turkey do full offensive in the beginning of the war where Russia was still not involved and opposition fighters are still quite strong. But the opportunity have been gone by now. Better to focus on Libya now.

 

[LeGenD]

But this is not civil war between muslim my brother. Assadists are not considered muslim in the first place. I'd agree with you if there where infighting between muslim but in this case its not. All the enermies of muslim and manafiqeen think its a bleak moment for turkey but i say just wait a moment. If Erdogan sticks his ground and acts boldly he can change things around. People forget that this is the same russia that still struggling to defeat the lightly armed rebels for the last five years and are no match when the Turkish army comes on the playing field. The only advantage russia has is their nukes and i already stressed it out many times before that turkey should immediately pursue nukes if its wants to be taken serious. If it has already pursued it then this is the time to spread the rumours which will strike terror into the heart of the enemies.

Have a good look at this photo:

Dare I call that partnership of SHAME? What was Erdogan thinking?

Do not underestimate Russian experience in warfare. Russia got its act together after the First Chechen War and have tasted victory in every conflict since. Russians not only prevented collapse of Assad regime during the course of Syrian Civil War but made it possible for Assad regime to reassert its control over 70% of Syrian territory by now. These advances were slow to materialize because Erdogan administration was making deals with the bloc.

The (Assad regime + Iran + Russia) conglomerate have shown recently that Syrian rebels are utterly outclassed in this fight. The conglomerate have the capacity to sweep entire Idlib in a span of just a month but Turkish military is active in Idlib and preventing wholesale slaughter of Syrian rebels in this location.

Real fight is between the major stakeholders in Syria to salvage whatever each side can under present circumstances.

Turkey had ample window to reshape demographics of Syria back in the (2011 - 2014) period when Assad regime was in trouble and Russian intervention was bear minimum, and should have acted then. USA was also in the GAME courtesy of its Operation Inherent Resolve. Now things are different.

US and Turkey are VERY LATE to join hands in Syria, and will not make much difference on the surface at present - the duo will manage to preserve the statusquo in Idlib at most (worthless IMHO).

 

[Wine&Steak]

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The s-400 deal , one of the dumbest things Erdogan ever did.

Sure you have one potential rival in the region , so you rely on him for your air defense , rather than on your ally for the last 30 years.

Has the world gone mad ?

Was not the last plane the Turkish air defense system shot down a Russian plane ?


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Just objectively speaking, US may provide urgent help to Turkey. Two birds in one stone.

(1) A helping hand here will make the Turkish Generals, come back to their senses. US is never a natural enemy of Turkey.

(2) Patriots missile cover from South Turkey to cover Idlib will make Russian Jets useless. Turkish Army & Rebels will have clear advantage. This can also allow US to give a a body blow revenge on Iraqi Militias, Hezbollah, et all.

 

[XTQ1999]

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The s-400 deal , one of the dumbest things Erdogan ever did.

Sure you have one potential rival in the region , so you rely on him for your air defense , rather than on your ally for the last 30 years.

Has the world gone mad ?

Was not the last plane the Turkish air defense system shot down a Russian plane ?


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Erdogan is a moron when it comes to foreign policy, here is another 180 turn in his policy and moving back towards US.

 

[Hack-Hook]

But this is not civil war between muslim my brother. Assadists are not considered muslim in the first place. I'd agree with you if there where infighting between muslim but in this case its not. All the enermies of muslim and manafiqeen think its a bleak moment for turkey but i say just wait a moment. If Erdogan sticks his ground and acts boldly he can change things around. People forget that this is the same russia that still struggling to defeat the lightly armed rebels for the last five years and are no match when the Turkish army comes on the playing field. The only advantage russia has is their nukes and i already stressed it out many times before that turkey should immediately pursue nukes if its wants to be taken serious. If it has already pursued it then this is the time to spread the rumours which will strike terror into the heart of the enemies.

say that to the mufti of jerosalem

 

[himate]

Erdogan is a moron when it comes to foreign policy, here is another 180 turn in his policy and moving back towards US.

Proved that erdogan can be flexible and can change strategies when required. Nothing of a moron here. He can play games as well as good as putin

 

[XTQ1999]

Proved that erdogan can be flexible and can change strategies when required. Nothing of a moron here. He can play games as well as good as putin

you call Turkish foreign policy flexible? Turkey spent 2.5 bil on S-400s and is now asking US to deploy Patriots. That's not flexible, that's stupidity. One day US will get tired of Turkey switching its policy and leave Turkey to be by itself to deal with its problems.

Erdogan's determination to receive S-400 has delayed F-35 deliveries and perhaps pushed Turkey so far out of the program, that you may not even be able to be part of the program again. Now you have S-400s which you can't really use due to strained relations with Russia.

Just plain stupidity.

 

[Aramagedon]

Seljuks (Iranian turkmens) did they their greatest mistake since they redeemed anatoli from Byzantine empire.

Now Russia should clean Anatoli from anything which is related to Mongol and Turk and back that area to forefather Persia.

I don't care if Russians destroy Anatoli since AKP rulers has destroyed many Islamic countries by war.

 

[War Historian]

What a shame ... You call yourself muslim.

Seljuks (Iranian turkmens) did they their greatest mistake since they redeemed anatoli from Byzantine empire.

Now Russia should clean Anatoli from anything which is related to Mongol and Turk and back that area to forefather Persia.

I don't care if Russians destroy Anatoli since AKP rulers has destroyed many Islamic countries by war.

 

[vishwambhar]

If Turkey gets patriot system then is it a purchase like S400 or they being a NATO member will be hiring this system temporarily till the war is over? If hired under NATO they will get a free lease or they will have to pay rent for it? Can someone shed a light?

 

[Timur]

If Turkey gets patriot system then is it a purchase like S400 or they being a NATO member will be hiring this system temporarily till the war is over? If hired under NATO they will get a free lease or they will have to pay rent for it? Can someone shed a light?

for me sound like erdo is trying to get US involved (nothing is free with trump)

 

[vishwambhar]

for me sound like erdo is trying to get US involved (nothing is free with trump)

Very much possible.... But for knowledge purpose do you have idea about how such advance systems are provided to members.... Free or they have to pay rent for it....

 

[Chanakyaa]

Why dont they get HQ series from China ?

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Very much possible.... But for knowledge purpose do you have idea about how such advance systems are provided to members.... Free or they have to pay rent for it....

According to Trump before they were almost free but now he wants them to foot the bill completely.

Why dont they get HQ series from China ?

IMO they want US' deterrence not actual defence system.