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Iran signals discount in gas price to Turkey​

Iran and Turkey should continue their gas price negotiations until they can find an acceptable price for each other, the Iranian ambassador to Turkey has said, signaling a decrease in the price of Iranian gas to Turkey.

“We may lose a good customer unless we accept Turkey’s gas price revision demand. We need to continue to have negotiations until both parties can find an acceptable price for each other,” Iranian Ambassador to Turkey Ali Reza Bikdeli told journalists on Nov. 17, after recent Turkish demands for a decrease in gas prices from Iran.

Both Turkey and Iran can ask for a revision in the price of gas according to the bilateral agreement, Bikdeli said.

“Nobody should see Turkey’s revision demand as an indication of a disagreement between Turkey and Iran,” he said, adding that both countries are also continuing their negotiations regarding Turkey’s potential purchase of extra gas from Iran this winter.

Turkey imports about 20 percent of its oil and gas needs from Iran, and Turkey appears to be one of the potential routes for the transfer of Iranian gas to global markets amid a possible loosening of sanctions.

“Turkey may not be the only option to become a transit route for Iranian gas, but to me it is the best option,” Bikdeli said, adding that the negotiations also continue to carry Turkmen gas to Turkey via Iran.

Bikdeli also said recent oil prices are not sustainable.

Meanwhile, Iran’s Oil Minister has accused some OPEC countries of making up excuses to justify their refusal to stabilize prices by cutting output. This was possibly a reference to Saudi Arabia, after a Saudi official on Nov. 16 insisted the issue should be left to market forces. The Saudi finance minister said on Nov. 17 that the plunge in oil prices would have no direct impact on next year’s budget or government spending.

Bikdeli said the nuclear energy talks between Iran and Western countries will create opportunities for Iran and Turkey to foster their bilateral relations.

“Some countries are now eyeing to build relationship with Iran after they had imposed sanctions on Iran for years. When Iran and European countries create closer relations after the nuclear energy talks, Iran and Turkey will also create more opportunities to become closer,” he added.

Bikdeli noted that Turkey and Iran had agreed to resolve the recent border passage crisis as well.

“As Turkey has asked, Iranian trucks will not buy gas in Turkey’s borders and Turkish trucks in Iranian borders. After the required technical preparations are made, maybe in 10 days, both parties will seal the gas tanks of each other’s trucks,” he said, while also taking the opportunity to stress that Turkey and Iran would “always cooperate in the fight against terrorism.”

“Iran always stands by Turkey’s side in the fight against terrorism. Our fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant [ISIL] will create a good opportunity for both Turkey and Iran to build closer ties in our region,” he said.
November/17/2014

Iran signals discount in gas price to Turkey - ENERGY

 

[ResurgentIran]

@Hakan
We all know where this thread is going to end. Another ape-style chestbeating and pissing contest between Iranians and Turks.
Shut the thread down. lol

 

[Serpentine]

@Hakan

I hope you haven't opened the gates of oblivion.

 

[Hakan]

@Hakan
We all know where this thread is going to end. Another ape-style chestbeating and pissing contest between Iranians and Turks.
Shut the thread down. lol

This is the 2nd try.

 

[surya kiran]

Turks are realistic. This just proves that again. Think about your own country. Think about your own people. Think about your economy. Brilliant. Here is more to the Turk-Iran relations!

 

[atatwolf]

Turkey retaliated with increasing transit fees for Iranian trucks only when Iran hiked the rates for our Turkish trucks, Customs and Trade Minister Nurettin Canikli has said.

The transit fee for trucks has lately become a sticking point between Turkey and its neighbor Iran.

In an interview with Turkish broadcaster A Haber channel Monday, Canikli said that despite the disagreement over the fee, Turkey and Iran remained friendly neighbors with strong trade ties.

Turkey and Iran inked an agreement on road transportation in 1994.

However, the minister acknowledged that the high transit fees were affecting the numbers of Turkish trucks crossing the border into Iran.

"Turkey only used its right to retaliate. We try to negotiate with Iran, but they insisted on that fee. Our transport sector cannot progress in Iran with that high fee," he said.

He said the recent development was bad for both sides. "It hurts Turkish transport sector as well as Iran’s transport sector. We see the number of Iranian trucks and Turkish trucks crossing the border have decreased. We are trying to normalize this using the proper channel. But we are also committed to protecting the rights of our trucks," the minister said.

Canikli added the high fee was also seriously damaging Iran’s trucks.

"We estimate that the process will damage Iran’s transport sector more than Turkey. We also estimate that Iran will understand its damages after realizing its costs and it will proceed to normalize routine transport fees," he said.

Transit fee formula

According to Turkish Customs and Trade Ministry, Iran previously charged each Turkish truck that passed through its territory using the formula, distance in kilometers times 0.32.

Then Iran increased the rate to distance in kilometers times 0.32 times 0.8.

Turkey too then increased its transit fee for Iranian trucks using the same formula.

However, Iran increased the transit fee formula again to distance in kilometers times 0.32 times 0.80 times 1.60 on October 10. Turkey retaliated by also changing its fee for Iranian trucks using the same formula.

For example, if an Iranian truck passes from Turkey's eastern customs gate to the country's western customs gate, the distance will be roughly 1200 kilometers. According to the previous formula, this truck would pay $307 as transit fee, but according to the recent hike, each driver would now have to pay $614.

Iran's aim according to analysts

Professor Selcuk Colakoglu, Vice President of an Ankara-based think-tank USAK, described Iran's move to increase the transit fee as a way to protect its own logistics sector.

"Iran is trying to protect its logistic sector by implementing the high transit fee since its neighbor Turkey's logistics sector is highly competitive," Colakoglu said.

Can Acun, an analyst from the International from the Foundation for Political Economic and Social Research, said Iran was perhaps trying to increase Turkey's costs for its exports to Central Asia.

"Turkey and Iran's relations were characterized by years of rivalry, Iran has responded to Turkey's good faith by attempting opportunism. Iran has been creating some difficulties for Turkey to transport goods to Central Asia and Iraq after the recent turmoil in the Middle East,” he said.

Turkey's trucks use Iranian territory to export goods to Central Asia.

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant’s invasion of Mosul has hampered Turkey’s route to the region.

"Iran is also trying to get Turkish goods markets in Central Asia. Iran does not want Turkish logistic companies to be more active inside the country," Acun added.

According to Turkish officials, the trade between Turkey and Iran stood at $22 billion in 2012 before dipping to $14.5 billion in the following year due to economic sanctions imposed on Tehran.

The trade volume between the two countries stood at $3.2 billion in the first quarter, according to Turkey's official statistics office.
Turkey hopes to normalize truck transit fees with Iran | Turkey | Worldbulletin News

Turks are realistic. This just proves that again. Think about your own country. Think about your own people. Think about your economy. Brilliant. Here is more to the Turk-Iran relations!

I agree, but certain countries shouldn't try to take advantage of our kindness. We will stay kind if the other party stays honest and don't try to trick us.

 

[xenon54 out]

@Hakan you could have opened the thread in Iranian or Turkish section but opening it in a un-moderated section was wrong if you ask me but maybe a miracle happens and trolls avoid this thread.
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Iran Nuclear Talks: How Turkey Is Quietly Influencing Both Sides

The nuclear talks between the United States, Russia, China, United Kingdom and France, plus Germany, P5+1, and Iran will conclude on Nov. 24 either with a full agreement or a short extension to continue the talks, and many experts have speculated that the delicate relationship between Tehran and Washington, D.C., will dictate the terms of the deal. But another country, Turkey, which is not included in the talks, is quietly influencing both parties to resolve the discussion sooner rather than later.

"It's not in either side's interest to have an extension last that long," Laicie Heeley, director of Middle East and Defense Policy at the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, said in a call with reporters. "It does look like they will be able to come to [an agreement]."

Turkey wants the U.S. and its P5+1 allies to wrap up negotiations with Iran because it wants to get back into Iran’s good graces economically. Turkey and Iran rely on each other for vital resources.

About 6 percent of all of Turkey’s exports go to Iran, and about 19 percent of Iran’s exports go to Turkey. Iran needs Turkey for goods such as cleaning supplies, medicine, cosmetics, plastics, textiles and electronics. Turkey relies heavily on Iran for oil and natural gas. Turkey meets 11 percent of its oil consumption from local production; the rest is imported through pipelines or tanker ships. In 2005, Iranian oil made up a total of 29 percent of all of Turkey’s imports, and in 2011, that number reached close to 51 percent. Although that number has fallen since, Turkey still sees Iran as an important trade partner.

But the economic relationship between Turkey and Iran has become more desperate in recent months. On Tuesday, the trade volume between Iran and Turkey reached a low -- $10.136 billion in the first three quarters of 2014, an 11.5 percent decrease compared with last year. Part of the reason for that decrease in trade is the high tariffs each country has implemented on the other.

Historically, Turkey and Iran have been political foes, and the two countries this year began to build up economic barriers. For example, both have increased taxes on the others’ trucks trying to deliver imports. Turkey doubled the truck transit fee for Iranian trucks last month. In response, Iran banned all Turkish trucks from buying gas in its territory.

The tariffs continue to increase between the two countries despite a preferential trade agreement in August that was supposed to lead to a commercial integration. The objective of the agreement was to boost bilateral trade volume to $35 billion -- more than double the size of what it is currently -- by the end of 2015. A nuclear negotiation that would ease economic sanctions on Iran would allow tariffs to fall and trade to flow normally again between the two countries.

The U.S. would be inclined to listen to Turkey’s economic requests because, although it is not always public about its affiliation, Turkey is one of the major players in the U.S.-led coalition fighting the Islamic State group. Turkey, which borders Syria, has allowed coalition forces to use some of its bases to better position themselves in the fighting. President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has also publicly denounced the Islamic State group, also known as ISIS or ISIL, and said his security forces would step up efforts to stop the Sunni militant group from smuggling oil across the border and selling it on the black market.

Gaining Turkey’s support was essential for the U.S.-led coalition, because not only was it geographically strategic for setting up military installments but it's also a strong political force in the region. Turkey shares Washington's outlook on the situation in Syria and also wants President Bashar Assad out of power.

Although a nuclear agreement would benefit Turkey economically, it would also benefit the U.S. and Iran. A successful deal with Iran on the nuclear issue would be a win for President Obama, who has been pushing for this agreement for most of his time in office. And for President Hassan Rouhani, the easing of economic sanctions would allow the country to get back to where it once stood in the global economy. If no agreement is signed, the governments of Iraq and Syria could more closely align with Iran, a potentially disastrous situation for the West.

Iran Nuclear Talks: How Turkey Is Quietly Influencing Both Sides

 

[ResurgentIran]

@Hakan you could have opened the thread in Iranian or Turkish section but opening it in a un-moderated section was wrong if you ask me but maybe a miracle happens and trolls avoid this thread.
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Iran Nuclear Talks: How Turkey Is Quietly Influencing Both Sides

The nuclear talks between the United States, Russia, China, United Kingdom and France, plus Germany, P5+1, and Iran will conclude on Nov. 24 either with a full agreement or a short extension to continue the talks, and many experts have speculated that the delicate relationship between Tehran and Washington, D.C., will dictate the terms of the deal. But another country, Turkey, which is not included in the talks, is quietly influencing both parties to resolve the discussion sooner rather than later.

"It's not in either side's interest to have an extension last that long," Laicie Heeley, director of Middle East and Defense Policy at the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, said in a call with reporters. "It does look like they will be able to come to [an agreement]."

Turkey wants the U.S. and its P5+1 allies to wrap up negotiations with Iran because it wants to get back into Iran’s good graces economically. Turkey and Iran rely on each other for vital resources.

About 6 percent of all of Turkey’s exports go to Iran, and about 19 percent of Iran’s exports go to Turkey. Iran needs Turkey for goods such as cleaning supplies, medicine, cosmetics, plastics, textiles and electronics. Turkey relies heavily on Iran for oil and natural gas. Turkey meets 11 percent of its oil consumption from local production; the rest is imported through pipelines or tanker ships. In 2005, Iranian oil made up a total of 29 percent of all of Turkey’s imports, and in 2011, that number reached close to 51 percent. Although that number has fallen since, Turkey still sees Iran as an important trade partner.

But the economic relationship between Turkey and Iran has become more desperate in recent months. On Tuesday, the trade volume between Iran and Turkey reached a low -- $10.136 billion in the first three quarters of 2014, an 11.5 percent decrease compared with last year. Part of the reason for that decrease in trade is the high tariffs each country has implemented on the other.

Historically, Turkey and Iran have been political foes, and the two countries this year began to build up economic barriers. For example, both have increased taxes on the others’ trucks trying to deliver imports. Turkey doubled the truck transit fee for Iranian trucks last month. In response, Iran banned all Turkish trucks from buying gas in its territory.

The tariffs continue to increase between the two countries despite a preferential trade agreement in August that was supposed to lead to a commercial integration. The objective of the agreement was to boost bilateral trade volume to $35 billion -- more than double the size of what it is currently -- by the end of 2015. A nuclear negotiation that would ease economic sanctions on Iran would allow tariffs to fall and trade to flow normally again between the two countries.

The U.S. would be inclined to listen to Turkey’s economic requests because, although it is not always public about its affiliation, Turkey is one of the major players in the U.S.-led coalition fighting the Islamic State group. Turkey, which borders Syria, has allowed coalition forces to use some of its bases to better position themselves in the fighting. President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has also publicly denounced the Islamic State group, also known as ISIS or ISIL, and said his security forces would step up efforts to stop the Sunni militant group from smuggling oil across the border and selling it on the black market.

Gaining Turkey’s support was essential for the U.S.-led coalition, because not only was it geographically strategic for setting up military installments but it's also a strong political force in the region. Turkey shares Washington's outlook on the situation in Syria and also wants President Bashar Assad out of power.

Although a nuclear agreement would benefit Turkey economically, it would also benefit the U.S. and Iran. A successful deal with Iran on the nuclear issue would be a win for President Obama, who has been pushing for this agreement for most of his time in office. And for President Hassan Rouhani, the easing of economic sanctions would allow the country to get back to where it once stood in the global economy. If no agreement is signed, the governments of Iraq and Syria could more closely align with Iran, a potentially disastrous situation for the West.

Iran Nuclear Talks: How Turkey Is Quietly Influencing Both Sides

Turkey role is very minimal in nuclear talks. Turkey is no longer trusted or looked upon as a mediator.
You had your role in 2009, where in coordination with Brazilians you managed (miraculously) to hammer out a deal, after intense and grinding negotiations with Iran.
But then the US backstabbed you and endorsed new UN security sanctions instead of the Turkey-Brazil initiative.

 

[xenon54 out]

Turkey role is very minimal in nuclear talks. Turkey is no longer trusted or looked upon as a mediator.
You had your role in 2009, where in coordination with Brazilians you managed (miraculously) to hammer out a deal, after intense and grinding negotiations with Iran.
But then the US backstabbed you and endorsed new UN security sanctions instead of the Turkey-Brazil initiative.

It isnt Turkey thats sanctioned and there are more than enough sources to replace Iranian share on Turkish oil import, what Turkey offers Iran is help in exchange for more trade, the ball is in Irans court.

Its obvious who will loose more by breaking ties.

About 6 percent of all of Turkey’s exports go to Iran, and about 19 percent of Iran’s exports go to Turkey.

 

[Hussein]

Sadly Iran imports much more now from low quality China instead of Turkey.
And few Iranians are even stealing the models from Turkey for clothing for exemple to ask chinese to produce for Iran market and say they are from Europe designed ...
Sadly our country have such bastards.

 

[1400 -1443 -2022]

No relation to AKP

 

[Hakan]

Iran and Turkey to finalize preferential trade agreement​

Economy Minister Nihat Zeybekci paid an official visit to Iran's capital Tehran yesterday in order to discuss the elimination of any kind of obstacles for trade between the two countries and the use of local currencies in trade in order to overcome problems in the banking sector. During the meeting between the Turkish and Iranian committees, Zeybekci also got together with Iranian Industry, Mining and Trade Minister Mohammed Reza Nematzade.

During the meeting, which was held at a building belonging to the Iranian Ministry of Industry, Mining and Trade, the committees discussed the preferential trade agreement that will come into force on Jan. 1, 2015, banking relations between the two countries, the use of local currencies for trade, structuring and improvement of border gates and customs clearance, problems in terms of transportation, implementation of a uniform customs clearance procedure and operating the Kapıköy border gate.

Zeybekci said that 2012 was the peak of trade between the two countries, which was mainly due to the gold trade and trade volume, which has been on the decline ever since. "In 2013, the trade volume dropped to $15 billion. This was not only due to the decrease in gold trade but also the real trade volume. The volume dropped even further in 2014 when compared to 2013, despite the trade in gold. However, now is the time to say stop to this declining trend. I feel very lucky as we finally signed the preferential trade agreement - a historical breakthrough," Zeybekci said. He further announced that all approval mechanisms have been completed, and as of Jan. 1, the preferential trade agreement will come into force.

Explaining that Turkey values the negotiations Iran is currently engaged in regarding its nuclear program with P5+1 countries, the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council plus Germany, Zeybekci said Turkey supports Iran in this cause, and in the past when heavy sanctions were levied on Iran, Turkey was the only country that stood by it both with its government and private sector. "When no other country was providing medicine to Iran, Turkish firms were. Therefore, I don't approve of Iran purchasing medicine from other countries when Turkish pharmaceutical companies are still providing medicine to Iran," he added.

On the latest problems in transportation between Turkey and Iran, Zeybekci said that he hopes these obstacles will be overcome during Iranian Communication and Information Technologies Minister Mahmud Vaizi's visit to Turkey in January.

Nematzade also said that with the implementation of the preferential trade agreement, it would become much easier to reach the $30 billion trade volume target. "It is evident that such a target could have been easily achieved if it weren't for the sanctions applied against Iran; however, suitable solutions should be determined under these circumstances," Nematzade said. According to official data released by the Turkish Statistical Institute (TÜİK), trade volume between Turkey and Iran was at its highest in 2012 with $9.9 billion exports and $12 billion imports. But, after 2012, trade between the two countries showed a downward trend because of the Syrian conflict in the region. In 2013, exports to Iran were $4.2 billion and imports $10.4 billion. Despite the sharp decrease in exports, imports weren't influenced like that because of the natural gas imported from Iran. Iran is on the list of targeted countries (in terms of increasing trade volume) of the Turkish Economy Ministry for the years 2014 and 2015.

Iran and Turkey to finalize preferential trade agreement - Daily Sabah

 

[IRAN 1802]

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Iran signals discount in gas price to Turkey​

Iran and Turkey should continue their gas price negotiations until they can find an acceptable price for each other, the Iranian ambassador to Turkey has said, signaling a decrease in the price of Iranian gas to Turkey.

“We may lose a good customer unless we accept Turkey’s gas price revision demand. We need to continue to have negotiations until both parties can find an acceptable price for each other,” Iranian Ambassador to Turkey Ali Reza Bikdeli told journalists on Nov. 17, after recent Turkish demands for a decrease in gas prices from Iran.

Both Turkey and Iran can ask for a revision in the price of gas according to the bilateral agreement, Bikdeli said.

“Nobody should see Turkey’s revision demand as an indication of a disagreement between Turkey and Iran,” he said, adding that both countries are also continuing their negotiations regarding Turkey’s potential purchase of extra gas from Iran this winter.

Turkey imports about 20 percent of its oil and gas needs from Iran, and Turkey appears to be one of the potential routes for the transfer of Iranian gas to global markets amid a possible loosening of sanctions.

“Turkey may not be the only option to become a transit route for Iranian gas, but to me it is the best option,” Bikdeli said, adding that the negotiations also continue to carry Turkmen gas to Turkey via Iran.

Bikdeli also said recent oil prices are not sustainable.

Meanwhile, Iran’s Oil Minister has accused some OPEC countries of making up excuses to justify their refusal to stabilize prices by cutting output. This was possibly a reference to Saudi Arabia, after a Saudi official on Nov. 16 insisted the issue should be left to market forces. The Saudi finance minister said on Nov. 17 that the plunge in oil prices would have no direct impact on next year’s budget or government spending.

Bikdeli said the nuclear energy talks between Iran and Western countries will create opportunities for Iran and Turkey to foster their bilateral relations.

“Some countries are now eyeing to build relationship with Iran after they had imposed sanctions on Iran for years. When Iran and European countries create closer relations after the nuclear energy talks, Iran and Turkey will also create more opportunities to become closer,” he added.

Bikdeli noted that Turkey and Iran had agreed to resolve the recent border passage crisis as well.

“As Turkey has asked, Iranian trucks will not buy gas in Turkey’s borders and Turkish trucks in Iranian borders. After the required technical preparations are made, maybe in 10 days, both parties will seal the gas tanks of each other’s trucks,” he said, while also taking the opportunity to stress that Turkey and Iran would “always cooperate in the fight against terrorism.”

“Iran always stands by Turkey’s side in the fight against terrorism. Our fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant [ISIL] will create a good opportunity for both Turkey and Iran to build closer ties in our region,” he said.
November/17/2014

Iran signals discount in gas price to Turkey - ENERGY

Iran begins with " I " and Turkey begins with " T " so u should write: Iran - Turkey Relations | News & Discussions

 

[xenon54 out]

Iran begins with " I " and Turkey begins with " T " so u should write: Iran - Turkey Relations | News & Discussions

Wow your ego must be hurt badly.

 

[TurAr]

Iran's relationship with Turkey in a nutshell, right there

Iran begins with " I " and Turkey begins with " T " so u should write: Iran - Turkey Relations | News & Discussions