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Tunisia’s Assault on Gay Men’s—and Everyone’s – Right to Privacy


Neela Ghoshal
Senior Researcher, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Rights






“Ahmed” (not his real name) was only 17 when police came to his house in August 2017, searched his phone, interrogated him, and detained him. The next day, they took him to a hospital.
“I did not understand what was going on,” Ahmed said. “The police told me that the test is mandatory. The doctor told me to go on an examination bed and to bend, and then he inserted his fingers in my insides.”

Ahmed was undergoing a forced anal examination – a horrific and utterly unscientific method of seeking proof of homosexual conduct by evaluating the shape of the anus and the tone of the anal sphincter. His sister was the one who tipped off the police.

He was released without charge after two days – but that was just the beginning of Ahmed’s ordeal. In May, police detained him again at his family’s behest. A judge sentenced him to two months in a juvenile detention center, where a psychiatrist conducted “conversion therapy” to try to change his sexual orientation. And in September, he was held another eight days after his family complained again.

As long as homosexual conduct remains illegal, and as long as police remain willing to detain people on the basis of a complaint alone, it seems that Ahmed will never be free of the fear of arrest. And as long as police resort to such invasive methods to investigate flimsy allegations, no one’s privacy is guaranteed.

Article 230 of Tunisia’s penal code criminalizes same-sex relations with up to three years in prison, while article 226 criminalizes “harming public morals,” which are conveniently undefined. Last week, Human Rights Watch published a review of 11 arrests under these laws in 2017 and 2018. We found routine violations of privacy rights: police entered homes without warrants, searched through chats and photos on people’s phones, and conducted forced anal examinations, even after promising the UN Human Rights Council it would stop using them. We heard allegations of mistreatment in police custody, forced confessions, and denial of access to legal counsel.

Two of the most disturbing cases involved men who said they were raped. “Khaled,” raped in June 2018, said that one of his attackers told him: “‘You people of Loth [a demeaning term derived from the Biblical and Quranic story of Lot], you deserve to be killed…. We will show you what sodomy is like.” Then two of them held him by the arms, while the third inserted a baton in his anus.

But when he went to the police in Monastir to report he had been raped, instead of treating him as a victim, police asked doctors to conduct an anal examination and determine whether Khaled was “used to practicing sodomy.” He fled and is seeking asylum in Belgium. Another man, “Mustafa,” was prosecuted for sodomy – though the police charged his attacker with rape.

These accounts suggest that no one’s privacy is guaranteed in Tunisia as long as the law allows police to arrest people on a whim, search through their private messages, and conduct invasive examinations of their intimate parts. Such police conduct – and the very existence of article 230 – violates Tunisia’s obligations under international human rights law.

Prosecutions for consensual sex in private and between adults violate the rights to privacy and nondiscrimination guaranteed by the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which Tunisia is a party. The UN Working Group on Arbitrary Detention has found that arrests for same-sex conduct between consenting adults are, by definition, arbitrary.

Tunisia’s own constitution obliges the government to protect the rights to privacy and the inviolability of the home and says that all citizens are equal before the law. The constitution prohibits “mental and physical torture.”

As part of reforms following the 2011 uprisings in Tunisia and elsewhere in the Arab world, President Beji Caid Essebsi established a Commission on Individual Freedoms and Equality. In June, the commission recommended that Tunisia decriminalize homosexual conduct and end anal testing. Several members of Parliament, in October, introduced draft legislation incorporating several commission proposals, including abolishing article 230. Parliament should move quickly on this draft legislation, abolish article 230, and enact a law protecting people’s privacy.

As Ahmed, the 17-year-old who went through a forced anal exam and conversion therapy, told us: “I told the judge that I didn’t break any laws. I did not hurt anyone. This is my private life and should not be the concern of anyone else.”

If a teenager can understand and articulate the right to privacy, it should not be a stretch for the Tunisian authorities to do the same.
 
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Muslim women are allowed to marry non-Muslims (making the haram halal) but being gay is bad. The Tunisian government sure is odd.
yr taking it wrong way....just because they have done 1 wrong thing doesnt mean another wrong should be encouraged. Instead, encourage them to disallow this female marrying thing and bring them and their full system according to Islam and Sharia.........By pressuring them through OIC, Arab League and economically and militarily.
 
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It's just growing pangs .
 
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Maybe the gay men are an assault on Tunisia????
 
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Muslim women are allowed to marry non-Muslims (making the haram halal) but being gay is bad. The Tunisian government sure is odd.
Men marrying disbelievers is also Haram... and yet EVERY Muslim societies accept it.
Alcohol is forbidden and yet EVERY Muslim societies accept it/Sell it.
and so on..

Therefore in no way, our current Muslim societies... are an exemple neither truthful in their pop beliefs.

yr taking it wrong way....just because they have done 1 wrong thing doesnt mean another wrong should be encouraged. Instead, encourage them to disallow this female marrying thing and bring them and their ful system according to Islam and Sharia.........By pressuring them through OIC, Arab League and economically and militarily.

Every Muslim societies... doesn't follow the sharia... including those who preach it...
Muslim women or not... CAN in our time marry whoever she wish easily... by just marrying outside of the country ( aka Husband country) Therefore making this law useless and stupid... Since those who wish to do so...can just say they aren't religious/Muslim and voila...
Those who follow the Quran at the letter... doesn't need a Gov law to stick to their beliefs...

And TN doesn't care about pressure... otherwise at this rate... Everyone is at fault and guilty... EVERY country.

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TN is on the verge to pass a law about equality in heritage,aka against sharia.
But,thats the difference with other muslim countries or the west... The other law aka sharia is kept...

There is other exemples like that...where other alternatives is given to those who aren't Muslims and therefore don't want to be governed by that...

Aka how it was done for centuries in past khalifa's...
 
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Men marrying disbelievers is also Haram... and yet EVERY Muslim societies accept it.
Alcohol is forbidden and yet EVERY Muslim societies accept it/Sell it.
and so on...

Therefore in no way, our current Muslim societies... are an exemple neither truthful in their pop beliefs.



Every Muslim societies... doesn't follow the sharia... including those who preach it...
Muslim women or not... CAN in our time marry whoever she wish easily... by just marrying outside of the country ( aka Husband country) Therefore making this law useless and stupid... Since those who wish to do so...can just say they aren't religious/Muslim and voila...
Those who follow the Quran at the letter... doesn't need a Gov law to stick to their beliefs...

And TN doesn't care about pressure... otherwise at this rate... Everyone is at fault and guilty... EVERY country.
u have a very weak understanding of Sharia...its not a mere religious synopsis but is a complete way of live! and the states must have to adopt that inorder to stay a Muslim country and to make Allah happy over everything else.

Afterall he the creator is the ultimate Alpha and Omega here!

There arguments that yr giving are severely weak and unsubstantiated.......If a Country passes the laws fully accordance with Shariat then those who live there must chose to respect it or else leave as the same rule goes by like in today's world. So if a Woman does recognize the law of the land or lets just a say a man too...then he/she must leave, simple isnt it? This is same in Shariat too. Its a hadith i think or a clause in one of the treaties that Prophet Muhammad SAW did in his time that if a woman run away to Kuffar and adopts their customs let her go and dont chase her.

But to adopt such kind of laws for entire Muslim state for such rare and mostly psychotic cases(trust me i have seen these cases too over the world in internet) is not wise nor acceptable according to the Shariat of Allah.......

Because remember my dear brother, its not about us, we r just the slaves of our master Allah, its the will of the master that we supposed to fulfil.

And for rest of us Muslims it is mandatory to make u realize yr mistake and reverse such silly decisions in anyway we can, because dont have a choice or will of our own as we have submitted that infront of Allah the All Mighty himself..........Because as u can see from the news shared on this thread, once u go towards the path of shaitan then it will never end u will have to keep on compromising so much so that even if u left yr religion they will still not be satisfied according to Quran.

Always remember brother! we Muslims are only answerable to Allah and none other then him......not any Shaitan or a non Muslim. Develop a think skin and resilience and let Allah help you by following his path...if he is in yr side nothing can tough u. Modern day example of that is Taliban, a mere bunch of cavemen successfully beaten the back of all those 48 countries that occupied their land and slayed another non Muslim Superpower as they did 40 years ago with USSR........So much so that today all of them are dying to even come to negotiating table with them for just a face saving exit from that war.

This is the modern day example brother, of those who are following Allah's path by developing a thick skin and resilience. And look today, they are the victorious another victory given to them by Allah himself!

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TN is on the verge to pass a law about equality in heritage,aka against sharia.
But,thats the difference with other muslim countries or the west... The other law aka sharia is kept...

These is other examples like that...where other alternatives is given to those who aren't Muslims and therefore don't want to be governed by that...

Aka how it was done for centuries in past khalifa's...
we also have such laws, so whats the deal here? However, a Muslim family must follow shariat and her laws only those 'general laws' can be for Non Muslims only as its done in Pakistan....we BTW also have our own Brewery here for Non Muslims and non Muslim foreigners, and they r required government permits to be able to drink Alcohol at their home however not in public as according to the laws of Shariat.

Passing general laws like that for anybody out of their own will to respect Islamic laws is illegal according to Shariat. And in west also they dont allow the Shariat laws if they clash with their own state secular laws.
 
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Very sad and very bad :(
 
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Very sad and very bad :(

It is his family who complained about his sexual orientation.

What is so sad?

Bad may be but what is so sad about all this?
 
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It is his family who complained about his sexual orientation.

What is so sad?

Bad may be but what is so sad about all this?

I support LGBTQ rights.

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I'm support LGBTQ rights.

You can support martians for their rights, no problems. But please try help me understand what exactly LGBTQ rights are? LGBTQ ....... what the heck is Q? and why it has to start with L? Why it can't be TBGLQ?
 
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You can support martians for their rights, no problems. But please try help me understand what exactly are LGBTQ rights are? LGBTQ ....... what the heck is Q? and why it has to start with L? Why it can't be TBGLQ?

L - Lesbians
G - Gays
B - Bisexuals
T - Transgender
Q - Queers.

Some use the initialialism LGBT, others LGBTQ, Some simply say Gays..
Why is it use in this particular sequence? I dunno but it's the most popular one. Though some write differently too, I think.

What are their rights?
Pretty simple.. Their rights are same as anyone else' - righst to live freely, rights to not get harassed by anyone(family, friends, society, govt.), rights to freely express their sexual orientation and not get bullied for it, rights to choose their consenting partner to make love and get married, etc etc ....


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Pretty simple.. Their rights are same as anyone else' - righst to live freely, rights to not get harassed by anyone(family, friends, society, govt.), rights to freely express their sexual orientation and not get bullied for it, rights to choose their consenting partner to make love and get married, etc etc ....

Except for born transgenders, others are just drama. Like seriously how hard it is for any gay or lesbian to keep a low profile about their sexual orientation, keeping it to their bedrooms and living normal lives? You don't want to have a family of your own because you seek alien sick desires fine ....... but whine publicly?

Marriage normally has a purpose mainly to build ones own family ....... what a gay or lesbian marriage even means? Sexual experimentation .......

To be supportive of something, it has to be a just cause. Its stupid to support a person who wishes to get his rear pumped ....... there are no rights simple G may keera hy bus.
 
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