TuAF Alternative to F-35?

[CrimsonFury]

Rash decisions are the worst kind of decisions brother.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

The best option if we don't get F35s: working together and combining our forces with our Iranian cousins to build a new fighter jet according to our requirements.

 

[OguzSenturk]

The best option if we don't get F35s: working together and combining our forces with our Iranian cousins to build a new fighter jet according to our requirements.

Yeahh, England will be so happy and they will keep cooperating with us in TF-X project for sure

We will get F-35 anyway, and even if we couldn't, we have nothing to learn from Iran about 5th gen fighter jet development

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Yeahh, England will be so happy and they will keep cooperating with us in TF-X project for sure

We will get F-35 anyway, and even if we couldn't, we have nothing to learn from Iran about 5th gen fighter jet development

If the US blocks the sale of F35s to Turkey, it's very likely that the British will also stop cooperation on our TFX program. In this case I prefer a cooperation with Iran. Our abilities are complementing each other.

 

[Glass]

Rash decisions are the worst kind of decisions brother.

So whats ur plan? things at this point with them will only get worse. Today they shamelessly accused us of supporting al qaeda lol Think into the future there might be a possiblity of war between US and Turkey.

If the US blocks the sale of F35s to Turkey, it's very likely that the British will also stop cooperation on our TFX program. In this case I prefer a cooperation with Iran. Our abilities are complementing each other.

Nah, Pakistan is more decent partner and more trustable. With iran to many conflicting interests.

 

[OguzSenturk]

If the US blocks the sale of F35s to Turkey, it's very likely that the British will also stop cooperation on our TFX program

And how did you come to this logic? Current US and British governments are currently Anti-EU Conservative governments, and they are trying to cooperate anyone who has closer stance to theirs.

If Turkey couldn't get F35s (that is currently impossible), that means current US president lost the political war against CIA and Democrats took the power. It doesnt mean British government will change the ideology in one night.

 

[Glass]

And how did you come to this logic? Current US and British governments are currently Anti-EU Conservative governments, and they are trying to cooperate anyone who has closer stance to theirs.

If Turkey couldn't get F35s (that is currently impossible), that means current US president lost the political war against CIA and Democrats took the power. It doesnt mean British government will change the ideology in one night.

No, at this point everything is possibile. I dont think that they will end their support for PKK Things will only get worse. Its important to have plan b which is why opened this thread in the first place.

 

[OguzSenturk]

You need to take your pills.

 

[Oublious]

If the US blocks the sale of F35s to Turkey, it's very likely that the British will also stop cooperation on our TFX program. In this case I prefer a cooperation with Iran. Our abilities are complementing each other.

Wtf is iran going to offer us? A lot of chest hump...

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Reminds me of an anecdote. Once a Turkish general was visiting NATO HQ and was having a working lunch with generals from the other NATO countries. They were served sausage. Now, all other folks were curiously observing the Turkish general - whether he eats pork or not!!! To their amazement the Turkish general in fact was eating pork!!! Of course they got curious. El Jevap - "it's Helal when you're surrounded by enemies and have nothing else to eat!!!!" It's not whether or not - it's a matter of time for it's against the Fitret of the Turkish folks....

 

[Secur]

Suppose, the Pakistan Air-force partners with their Turkish counterparts for such a program (collaboration on JF-17 Block 3 or participation in TF-X), what exactly do you guys bring to the mix? What is your expertise in the aviation industry?

P.S. I am asking because I don't know much about Istanbul's capabilities and research base.

 

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Suppose, the Pakistan Air-force partners with their Turkish counterparts for such a program (collaboration on JF-17 Block 3 or participation in TF-X), what exactly do you guys bring to the mix? What is your expertise in the aviation industry?

P.S. I am asking because I don't know much about Istanbul's capabilities and research base.

Turkey have a lot to bring on the table just as we do. I do not know whether JF-17 will fulfill the requirements of TAF even after modification as I am unaware of the parameters. BTW, I think Pakistan and Turkey will certainly cooperate and help each other out especially in Air Force. The question is whether the project is JF-17 or TFX. I think the latter will be the main focus.
Turkish brothers can inform you better.

 

[xenon54 out]

Suppose, the Pakistan Air-force partners with their Turkish counterparts for such a program (collaboration on JF-17 Block 3 or participation in TF-X), what exactly do you guys bring to the mix? What is your expertise in the aviation industry?

P.S. I am asking because I don't know much about Istanbul's capabilities and research base.

In total for Lockheed Martin and Pratt & Whitney, F-35 Production Industrial Participation opportunities for Turkish companies are expected to reach more than $12 billion.

Below are details on the 10 Turkish companies who have supported the development and/or production of F-35 / F135.

• Alp Aviation has been supporting the program since 2004 and currently manufactures F-35 production airframe structure and assemblies, production landing gear components and over 100 F135 production engine parts to include titanium integrated blade rotors.
• Aselsan is developing manufacturing approaches for advanced optical components, which are part of the F-35 Electro Optical Targeting System. They are also working with Northrup Grumman on the F-35 CNI Avionic Interface Controller and will initiate full scale production activities in the near term.
• Ayesas currently is the sole source supplier for two major F-35 components – missile remote interface unit and the panoramic cockpit display.
• Fokker Elmo manufactures 40 percent of the F-35 Electrical Wiring & Interconnection System (EWIS) and will also deliver and support TAI with all center section wiring systems. Fokker Elmo is also developing the EWIS for the F135 engine, for which a major share is produced in Fokker Elmo Turkey in Izmir.
• Havelsan has been supporting the F-35 training systems since 2005. Additionally, Havelsan has been instrumental as the Turkish lead for developing the construct of the future Turkish F-35 Integrated Pilot and Maintenance Training Center (ITC) and associated training systems in Turkey.
• Kale Aerospace has been supporting the F-35 since 2005. In conjunction with Turkish Aerospace Industries, they manufacture and produce F-35 airframe structures and assemblies. Kale Aero also supports Heroux Devtek as the sole source supplier for all three variants landing gear up lock assemblies. Additionally, Kale Aerospace has also established a joint venture in Izmir with Pratt & Whitney and is manufacturing production hardware for the F135 engine.
• MiKES has supported the F-35 Program during SDD delivering F-35 aircraft components and assemblies for BAE Systems and Northrop Grumman
• ROKETSAN and Tubitak-SAGE are the Turkish joint leadership team who strategically manage the development, integration, and production of the advanced precision-guided Stand-off Missile (SOM-J) which will be carried internally on the 5th Generation F-35 aircraft. Additionally, Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control has partnered with Roketsan, through a teaming agreement, to jointly develop, produce, market and sell the advanced, precision guided Stand Off Missile – Joint Strike Fighter (SOM-J).
• Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) has been strategically supporting the F-35 Program since 2008. The company currently supplies production hardware that goes into every F-35 production aircraft. In conjunction with Northrup Grumman, TAI manufactures and assembles the center fuselages, produces composite skins and weapon bay doors, and manufactures fiber placement composite air inlet ducts. Additionally, TAI is strategically manufacturing 45 percent of the F-35’s including Air-to-Ground Pylons and adapters which is Alternate Mission Equipment (AME).

Additionally, Turkish Industry are going to have significant Industrial Participation role supporting Lockheed Martin and Pratt and Whitney for F-35 aircraft sustainment and F135 engine production and sustainment. Turkey has been given the approval to build its own F135 engines and was also selected to have the first European Regional F135 Engine depot overhaul capability. Both the engine production and overhaul will take place at the 1st HIBM in Eskisehir. Additionally, TAI has also been assigned to represent the organic depots of the Turkish Armed Forces within the Autonomic Logistic Global Sustainment (ALGS) system and Havelsan has been assigned as the Turkish Integrator for the National Integrated Training Center (ITC).

 

[Secur]

Turkey have a lot to bring on the table just as we do. I do not know whether JF-17 will fulfill the requirements of TAF even after modification as I am unaware of the parameters. BTW, I think Pakistan and Turkey will certainly cooperate and help each other out especially in Air Force. The question is whether the project is JF-17 or TFX. I think the latter will be the main focus.
Turkish brothers can inform you better.

Most definitely, then, we should pool our resources. I believe, that we have a good opportunity to develop and/or enhance an aircraft or two, largely free of any third party's sanctions or interference, thereby increasing self-reliance and contributing to the experience and research/development base in both of our respective countries. Carpe diem!

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

The f-35 to me looks like it has had too many American cheese burgers