Trump cracks down on Pakistan, U.S. cuts military training programs

[Tps43]

Kiyani was one of them. Makes you wonder why he couldn't see all his time in office which was obvious to the rest of the nation. What worries me, the incumbent ISI cheif is also a graduate from these American programmes.

He is retiring in 2 months

 

[Taimoor Khan]

He is retiring in 2 months

Let's see who replace him. Same "forigen educated " or homegrown person.

 

[Tps43]

Let's see who replace him. Same "forigen educated " or homegrown person.

See, every Lt Gen has done once foreign course and without foreign courses there chances are bleak to become generals , so he must be foreign qualified

 

[MastanKhan]

And why does the 'occasions' arise so often where US chose to speak in a tone for which America is known

Same can be said for USA this is what USA need to understand.

Hi,

Because you fail at marketing yourself at the opportune moment---.

With the US---it is constant nagging---beat them up at their game---be nice but take your stand in a timely fashion and manner----but if you live under the thought that " they should know---and they should understand---" it does not work with the americans---.

Treat the americans like the israelis treat them---and you will have a great relationship---.

 

[waz]

Dan Feldman, a former U.S. special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, called the move "very short-sighted and myopic".

"This will have lasting negative impacts limiting the bilateral relationship well into the future," Feldman told Reuters.


The U.S. military has traditionally sought to shield such educational programs from political tensions, arguing that the ties built by bringing foreign military officers to the United States pay long-term dividends.

For example, the U.S. Army's War College in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, which would normally have two Pakistani military officers per year, boasts graduates including Lieutenant General Naveed Mukhtar, the current director-general of Pakistan's powerful spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI).

Current and former U.S. officials said Defense Secretary Jim Mattis argued against excluding Pakistani officers from IMET courses.

"I am shocked... We worked so hard for this to be the one thing that got saved," said a former U.S. defense official, who was involved in the conversations.

The Pentagon declined to comment on internal government discussions, but Dana White, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said Mattis long believed in the value of the IMET program as a way to build relations between foreign militaries.

Mattis, in private discussions within the government, had warned that excluding Pakistani officers from IMET courses could contribute to a similar situation in years to come, the former U.S. defense official said.

"You can advocate for cutting off everything else and this was the one thing we were not supposed to touch," the former official said.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-trump-cracks-down-pakistan-u-cuts-military-111757934.html

Way it go Trump, this baboon and his administration always know more than the experts.....

Anyway, the program was a good avenue to build relationships, operationally it will not have much of an impact but there are missed opportunities. As for the whole officers being influenced etc, as someone said it's the character of the man.

 

[LeGenD]

" they should know---and they should understand---" it does not work with the americans---.

You captured the mindset of an average Pakistani. Nicely put, good Sir.

They should be good to us; They owe us; They this; They that - this is a problematic thought process in which YOU excuse yourself from your shortcomings in your dealings with them, and YOU also overlook the potential benefits you reap from them in exchange of your favors from time-to-time.

 

[maximuswarrior]

When is IK stopping US supply lines to Afghanistan?

Not so quick. We will use that card only when we feel like doing so.

 

[Tristar]

All PAK hate US , but want US free money.....

 

[Taimoor Khan]

See, every Lt Gen has done once foreign course and without foreign courses there chances are bleak to become generals , so he must be foreign qualified

Pathetic state of affairs.

 

[Tps43]

Pathetic state of affairs.

same is in all countries of SAARC be it srilanka bangladesh or india . even many Middle east countries.

 

[HRK]

Because you fail at marketing yourself at the opportune moment---.

Mstan Shaib it is an over simplified view of the events.

but if you live under the thought that " they should know---and they should understand---" it does not work with the americans---.

It does not work anywhere not even personal relations, but just because of this one should ignore the negative marketing of Pakistan by USA ....??

And we should not consider that whatever is happening in regards of Pak-USA relationship is not because of US Policy for this region....???

these decisions are just the way Trump Administration deals with other ... ??

I should not question the landing of US marines at Pasni in 2001 who were suppose to reach Kabul before the Northern Alliance capture it but they lost track somewhere in Afghanistan and let Kabul fall to Northern Alliance an anti-Pakistan coalition of Afghan warlords ....???

I should not question the policy of dislodging the Pakistan from Afghanistan ...??

I should not question the NDS policies towards Pakistan under the watchful eyes of USA ....??

It was never the case of "they should know---and they should understand---" they know it and understand it but their interest in this region does not converge with our interest, because of this we were never friends or ally and we will never be friends or ally the best we could have is TRANSACTIONAL RELATIONSHIP.

I am not under the delusion that we can have strong and friendly relations with USA.

You captured the mindset of an average Pakistani. Nicely put, good Sir.

They should be good to us; They owe us; They this; They that - this is a problematic thought process in which YOU excuse yourself from your shortcomings in your dealings with them, and YOU also overlook the potential benefits you reap from them in exchange of your favors from time-to-time.

Legend sorry to say it is a wrong assessment of the mindset of an average Pakistani and their thought process we just DON'T WANT TO TAKE BURDEN OF AMERICAN FAILURE ON OUR SHOULDERS. We neither want to be another Laos or Cambodia or like Japan or Korea who are CHAINED by USA

We are neither this or that as portrayed by USA nor ignoring our shortcoming but at the same time want to highlight the SHORTCOMING of USA which it have in their dealings with us.

and we are not delusional about the POTENTIAL benefits of dealing with USA which btw never realise. This is what an average Pakistani on streets wants.

 

[MastanKhan]

Mstan Shaib it is an over simplified view of the events.

It does not work anywhere not even personal relations, but just because of this one should ignore the negative marketing of Pakistan by USA ....??

And we should not consider that whatever is happening in regards of Pak-USA relationship is not because of US Policy for this region....???

these decisions are just the way Trump Administration deals with other ... ??

I should not question the landing of US marines at Pasni in 2001 who were suppose to reach Kabul before the Northern Alliance capture it but they lost track somewhere in Afghanistan and let Kabul fall to Northern Alliance an anti-Pakistan coalition of Afghan warlords ....???

I should not question the policy of dislodging the Pakistan from Afghanistan ...??

I should not question the NDS policies towards Pakistan under the watchful eyes of USA ....??

It was never the case of "they should know---and they should understand---" they know it and understand it but their interest in this region does not converge with our interest, because of this we were never friends or ally and we will never be friends or ally the best we could have is TRANSACTIONAL RELATIONSHIP.

I am not under the delusion that we can have strong and friendly relations with USA.

Legend sorry to say it is a wrong assessment of the mindset of an average Pakistani and their thought process we just DON'T WANT TO TAKE BURDEN OF AMERICAN FAILURE ON OUR SHOULDERS. We neither want to be another Laos or Cambodia or like Japan or Korea who are CHAINED by USA

We are neither this or that as portrayed by USA nor ignoring the our shortcoming but at the same time want to highlight the SHORTCOMING of USA which it have in their dealings with us.

and we are not delusional about the POTENTIAL benefits of dealing with USA which btw never realise. This is what an average Pakistani on streets wants.

Hi,

You are writing an excellent post from pakistan's perspective and I agree with it whole heartedly---.

But if the pakistani govt does not use that news in a timely manner to its advantage and let the US dictate what it wants to---in the end---the US will come out righteous and pakistan would be at a loss.

It is just like this---" if a tree falls in a forest---where none heard the noise---then did it make the sound---"---.

Just as the US publicly and openly humiliates pakistan right away---Pakistan needed to do that in kind in an appropriate manner---.

You have to remember---the US is a bully---you give it an inch---it will steam roll all over you and blame you for causing the problem---.

 

[Raider 21]

This makes no sense


All the U.S programmes were , was a system of brain washing for Pakistan military and officers

For ages these programmes were reviled for possibly setting up pro American officers within our military


And they cut it?????????



Thank fvuk its ended!

Or maybe the majority of them took it as a course instead of becoming pro-American. Shahid Latif for example is American trained since his F-16 B-course at 4th FS Hill AFB, yet he was one of the people who pushed for domestic projects. Raheel Sharif is another example, did his course at Canada...didn't make him pro-Canada as much as it made him pro-Arab lately....

But you made valid points. A staff course abroad is for the host nation to see how they can place the right people and how to interact with them in the future. It is not just Pakistan, but NATO, Singapore, Brazil, India.....etc.

I personally would value technical courses more than the staff/command courses that most of the Pakistani personnel were going for. They should've pushed for USAFTPS, AFIT, enlisted technical education, exchange pilot programs (not one-way deputations). And I am talking primarily about at the graduate level, not when they send select cadets.

 

[HRK]

You have to remember---the US is a bully---you give it an inch---it will steam roll all over you and blame you for causing the problem---.

agreed

 

[HRK]

an interesting interview of Hussain Abdullah Haroon interim Foreign Minister of Pakistan .... our foreign policy by next government should be develop on these lines